Actually Marom, the US could not veto something on the UN puts forth by itself. The US would have to have at LEAST the majority backing them to veto. Maybe a couple of Arab nations wanted to put them on trial, but the rests of the UN probably realized they were grasping for straws. Get you facts straight before you 'preach' them.
Answer my question as to why the UN would recognize leaders who publicly say they want to kill, rape, murder and enslave women a children!
The UN is the United States, if not for the US the Un would mean absolutly nothing, the US needs to get out and let the world police its problems which is why there is so much anti-american feelings, because the US has to get involved everywhere.
this's exactly what i mean by everyone's own version of history!!...and about the U.N. not allowin any leader 2 talk like that..well if u're so sure that the U.N. is so good,then why is it still just sittin there and watchin america support isreal?!...4 u guys' information,the U.N. wanted 2 put isreal on trial but the american guy used the vito and so they stuffed the whole thing....it's not fair...isn't there an exception 4 that vito rule?...look guys...i really don't mean 2 come out so strong,but this's just what i'm hearin...just like u all r postin stuff u've heard...so don't take me wrong...peace.
i want to say that u dont have the right to speak about ignorance. first of all the cruxified Jesus (who u think is jesus PBUH)was cruxified by the jews.secondly christianity came after the death of jesus, cos jesus peace and blessings be upon him called for one God not three. christianity came after paul the christian killer who wrote about 14 books all contradicting each other which u call one of them the new testement. well marine i think u have to read from different resources with a open mind and heart if u wanna know the truth.
No one has time nor wants to make time to read your absurd length of posts. Please repost your arguments into something which people will be able to actually read instead of trying to look smart by posting these long posts which no one cares to read.
1 Kings 8:22-53 "When your people Israel are struck down before the enemy, because they have sinned against you"
"The Holy Land was a conditional Divine gift. It was a place set aside for God’s worship. But it was given conditionally. The Bible foretold that if the “children of Israel” should fail in their spiritual task, they would be banished from the land and sent into exile. This exilic punishment will last until the Lord in His mercy, sees fit to end history as we know it, by ushering in the Messianic era - a time of universal brotherhood and peace. This utopian future will feature the worship of God by all mankind, centered in the Holy Land and the city of Jerusalem.
In the Additional Service recited on every major Jewish holiday we find the following prayer, “And because of our sins we were exiled from our land and removed from our soil and we cannot now go up and appear and prostrate ourselves before You.”
We are called upon by Zionism to view all Arab nations as our enemies. We are forever exhorted to dwell on anti - Semitism, real and imagined, in order to justify the creation of the state and its subsequent aggressions. This obsession with wars, terror and counter terror, the subjugation of the Palestinians, reparations and claims upon all nations and ever wilder charges of anti - Semitism provide an inviting substitute for many Jews. This heresy was particularly tempting to Jews ignorant of Torah and due to historical and cultural forces, estranged from their faith.
Beyond these factors, there remains the tragic fact that much of mankind sees the Israeli state as representative of the Jewish people. Thus, the state which has rejected or, at best, ignored God, conveys the message to humanity that the essence of Jewishness is a secular nationalism.
The vast majority of Jews rejected Zionism when it first began. In the early part of the century, Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem (not to be confused with the Chief Rabbis of the State of Israel), Rabbi Yoseph Chaim Zonnenfeld negotiated with King Hussein in order to help the Orthodox Jewish community escape the Zionist machinations. This resulted in the assassination by Haganah operatives in 1924 of the Rabbi’s advisor, Dr. Jacob Israel de Haan. In 1948 Rabbi Yosef Zvi Duchinsky of Jerusalem sent an urgent petition to the United Nations, asking that the Orthodox community in the Holy Land be exempted from Zionist rule. These were not isolated incidents. For over a century Zionism has been opposed by large segments of Orthodox Jewry in Jerusalem, the Holy Land and around the world. Many continue to do so today. In fact, they refuse any form of recognition of, or co-operation with the state. They frequently pay for their opposition to the state by being arrested, beaten and, at times, murdered. Their voices are generally ignored in the Israeli press and throughout the world."-Rabbi David Weiss
“In sum, the hatred against the Jewish community is because it is said that those who are not Torah observant, who are heretics, are the leaders of Jewry. The nations of the world are misled by them and acquire a hatred of Jews. One of the greatest commandments there is, to be observed with utmost self-sacrifice, would be to make known to the nations of the world that they (Zionists and irreligious leaders) are not the representatives of the Jewish community. (And to tell them) that observant Jews have no connection with them.” -Grand Rabbi, Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum zt’l (Dibros Kodesh, 1986: 210-11)
I will give you all a chance to admit all those qoutes you people have creditted to Israelie leaders are made up.
It is obvious that you people feel these qoutes have been made public and are recognized through out the world. All the nations in the UN recognize the leaders of Israel as leaders. The UN would not recognize or allow a leader that stated he wanted to kill, rape, and burn Palestinian children and women.
Once again, I will give you all a chance to admit all those qoutes you people have creditted to Israelie leaders are made up.
even though yr whole post was sarcastic,i'm just gonna pretend that i'm talkin 2 an intelectual adult,not some narrow minded who only looks at situations from one side!... i'd advice u 2 read my other posts b4 answerin...besides,i didn't say i know the real history,but when each one gives his own version of it,WITH NO PROOF,of course we'll b lost...and about the faces....it's non of yr **** business.
So with what you believe is right and so I guess YOU know alll he history at had, you should take yourown advice ad not ay anything without reading up on history. This site is meant for discussions/arguments and there will be different interpretations of history anyways.
Oh and I would also like to add that the use of so many of those "cool" faces REALLY adds to the effectivenes of your arguments.
Funny the Palestinians start a firefight at the church standoff when the time comes that Israel is pulling out,who really wants peace here?
Whoooooooo!Sorry,people,I'm nearing my exams,so I don't have as much time to write.I'm glad to see againstwar's kept it up.The briefing on the land-war was excellent(and should be enough proof that whatever the Palestinians are doing,it's the result of pent-up frustration and the worst kind of suffering and injustice they have faced),that was one of the best posts ,so thanks!And thanks to everyone supporting this. I want to say that Israel's even trying to disband a UN team meant to assess the situation,and there are still people trapped under the BULLDOZED buildings that Israel won't let help get to.
Regarding the latest poss:
"When morning came,all the chief priests and elders of the people plotted against Jesus to put Him to death.(27:1) And when they had bound Him,they led Him away and delivered Him to Pontius Pilate the governor.(27:2) Now Jesus stood before the governor.And the governor asked Him ,saying,'Are You the King of the Jews?'Jesus said to him:'It is as you say'.(27:11) Pilate said to them:'What then shall I do with Jesus who is called Christ?'They all said to him ,'Let Him be crucified!' Then the governor said,'Why,what evil has he done?'But they cried out all the more,saying,'Let Him be crucified!' When Pilate saw that he could not prevail at all ,but rather that a tumult was rising,he took water and washed his hands before the multitude,saying,'I am innocent of the blood of this just Person.You see to it.' And all the people answered and said,'His blood be on us and on our children.'"(27:22-25)Matthew
I don't want to get into this too much,but I just copied this down from the Bible to demonstrate that Jesus was Jewish and that it was the priests(Jews,I believe)were the cause of the crucifiction;Pontius the Roman washed his hands clean of responsibility.That being said,I don't understand this whole attitude of "their God is not our God".If you are monotheistic than you cannot believe that there are separate gods in existence,and that one sent a message to Jews while the other sent one to Christians;it would have to be that One sent a message to His believers and some(this is what I believe) were Jews,and the ones that followed Jesus(the continuation of the message,and who must also be the saviour prophesised to the Jews,as there cannot be one for each if they all recieved a message from God) were called Christians(and,in my and all Muslims' belief,the ones that believed in the final installment of God's message as conveyed by the prophet Mohammed,are now called Muslims.)Naturally,the Jews don't believe their saviour came yet because they believe in the Torah which was written before he actually arrivedand,yes is therefore incomplete(and hey-how many prophets have been denied,ridiculed,killed?A lot ,apparently,the Jews caused the death of many of their own prophets-to be fair,it must have been the more worldly and less faithful of them who would refuse to see the truth-and they're behind the crucifiction AND tried to kill Mohammed!)
I don't see that Jesus did anything wrong,I don't see why you're coming down on him,leopatra,and he didn't have a father;Mary was a virgin.
If Jesus said he's the King of Jews right before the crucifiction,then it follows that againstwar's right and Christians were not called Christians until after the event(besides,I heard this before elsewhere).
History's merely a record of events,if opinions influence the relaying of these events,then as many reliable accounts as possible,should,if possible,be taken.
marom - please tell me how anyone can know the "real history" without relying upon opinion? welcome to religious war - where "real history" is awash in subjective beliefs.
u guys..!!..what's the use of all this talk..? i don't think anyone who doesn't know the real hitory 4 real should post anythin here...coz it's just confusin all the others...IT IS THE PALESTINNIANS LAND AND THEY HAVE A RIGHT 2 FIGHT BACK 4 THIER FREEDOM!... it's not like ANYONE ELSE is helpin them work things out without any more innocent killed ... and correct me if i'm wrong..but the U.S. govern. and bush precisely,has done no SOLID thing 2 stop the violence in palestine...only promises and empty threats 2 isreal that it should get out of there !!!! oh and by the way...when he DOES make those threats...he tells them u have a week 2 get out!!!!...which means...u have one more week 2 kill as many ppl as u want... and after that one week...the whole thing repeats itself... ...i don't know what 2 say ...i'm just soo outraged that we keep on talkin bout it,not knowin how it really feels...i have a friend livin in palestine,and he told me that the isrealiane soldiers came into their city,broke into all the houses includin theirs,wrecked them,made them take off their clothes and then left them.... so what the hell is that all about?!...it's just sooo humiliatin ...i even got a picture off the internet showin two isrealian soldiers posin 4 a photo,smilin,with a palestinian boy shot killed under their feet ...where are their hearts....where are their consiouns... WHAT ARE ALL OF THE COUNTRIES WAITTIN 4 2 KICK ISREAL OUT OF THERE???!!!....plz...once again i ask u all 2 have open minds..and not b drawn 2 an opinion simply bcoz that's what u're told 2 believe ....peace!
I will not result to childish insults about you, but what you say is just wrong. All of this following info is off topic but I can't let it go unanswered. I appologize. When Jesus said that he was the Messiah, people started to believe him. These are the Christians. You're right, there weren't any Christians before him, but there were after. The writing on the cross was the writings of the romans. It was mocking Jesus. The romans crucified him not the jews and he asked God to forgive the romans and the jews. The romans for killing him and the Jews for not believing that he was the Messiah. But it doesn't matter who killed him the bible clearly says that the Jews are the chosen people. If you believe in the word of God, read revelation it will tell you that when the land of the jews (isreal) is taken away then the end days are here. If you beleive in the word then you should know that the jews have the right to their land and that it is the will of the Lord for them to keep it.
"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.
'I love the fact that I don't have to point out to your ignorance, you just show it openly!'
Actually the Romans cruxified Christs, not the Jews. Actually Christianity formed before Christ died, when he began preaching. Actually I do not think you have ever read the Bible and I wouldn't be suprised if your country banned the Bible. Get your facts straight Againstwar, it seems you are quite ignorant when it comes to history and facts.
Do you want to argue with me on what I've said? Go on... I'm ready to hear your point of view. However, don't you find it absurd to protect your religion by using SUCH words?!
uhm... I didn't want to post this because i don't want to attack the jewish religion... but since you're looking at it this way.. Jews are the ones who crucified the Lord Jesus christ, they were the people who refused him, & denied him. Those of them who stood by him became christians afterwards. On who's side is the Bible? :P
anyway,Jesus himself told his father to forgive them because they didn't know what they were doing, we're all supposed to do the same.
lol no i'm jewish :P what do you think?! anyway, I love the fact that I don't have to point out to your ignorance, you just show it openly! hehe go to a preist if you don't believe me.
No, there weren't christians at that time since Jesus wasn't even born yet. [christianity started a while after the death & resurection of the Christ, till that time Jews were considered as the people of the Christ, didn't you know that the writing on top of the cross meant "the king of jews" ?.. well now you know.]
palestine is so right in this situation. the isreali's just rape their culture and want to commit genocide against them. the last leader of isreal, ahud barak said that the palestinians have no right to exist and that thy should be allowed to kick them out. if this isn't racist i dont know what is . the palestians are defending themselves but they have no weapons. they have to use bombs and they have to kill innocents because the isreali soldiers kill them if they get too close to them. i don't understand why bush and marine want to support the genocidal jews .
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