Marine,
the country I come from has more than 200,000 refugees on its land.
The country I come from has never attacked ANY country.
The country I come from has been victim of both Israelis & Palestinians.
The country I come from is not brainwashed.
The country I come from has NEVER been on the offensive. The UN are on our land to stop the Israeli massacres.[since you are referring to them]
& who are you to judge that my country "shell Israel daily"[they don't] have you ever even heard the sound of a bomb?
Not to mention that America does not deny the fact that it's pro-israeli. weird thing that you do... seems like you're even misinformed reguarding your country.. how sad.

Actually, as ong as the UN is in exsitence, I can use them to back my arguement. Wheter or not I like the UN is irrelevant.

Why are you using the UN to support your arguments? I thought you wanted the U.S. to get out of the UN. Who's the hypocrite here?

The arguements I am hearing are too bias. The countries you come from started the 50 years war and want the complete and total annihalation of Israel. My country wants peace and wants both Palestine and Israel to be a nations that live in peace. You countries, like Lebanon, shell Israel daily and my country treis to bring peace, not bloodshed. You can not look at things objectivley when you are right in the middle of a Anti-Israeli country. Puppysong, knows the trueth. That is all that matters. Puppylove, I renwe my appology that you have to listen to this ignorance other are preaching.

In the United States, where Israel has its main political base and from which it has received more than $92 billion in aid since 1967, the terrible human cost of Thursday's Jerusalem restaurant bombing settles quickly into a familiar explanatory framework. Arafat hasn't done enough to control his terrorists; suicidal Islamic extremists are to be found everywhere, driven by sheer human hatred; Israel must defend its security. A thoughtful individual might add: these people have been fighting tiresomely for thousands of years; the violence must be stopped; there's been too much suffering on both sides, although the way Palestinians send their children into battle is another sign of how much Israel has to put up with.

In America Israel has pretty much won the propaganda war, and America is where it is about to put several more million dollars into a public relations campaign (using such stars as Zubin Mehta, Yitzhak Pearlman and Amos Oz) to further improve its image.

But consider what Israel's unrelenting war against the undefended, basically unarmed, stateless and poorly led Palestinian people has already achieved. The disparity in power is so vast that it makes you cry. Equipped with the latest in American-built air power, helicopter gunships, uncountable tanks and missiles, and a superb navy as well as a state of the art intelligence service, Israel is a nuclear power abusing a people without any armour or artillery, no air force - its one pathetic airfield in Gaza is controlled by Israel - or navy or army air defences, none of the institutions of a modern state.

The appallingly, unbroken history of Israel's 34-year-old military occupation (the second longest in modern history) of illegally conquered Palestinian land has been obliterated from public memory, as has been the destruction of Palestinian society in 1948 and the expulsion of 68 per cent of its native people, of whom 4.5 million remain refugees today. Behind the reams of newspeak, the stark outlines of Israel's decades-long daily pressure on a people whose main sin is that they happened to be there, in Israel's way, is staggeringly perceptible in its inhuman sadism. The cruel confinement of 1.3 million people jammed into the Gaza strip, plus the plight of the nearly two million Palestinian residents of the West Bank have no parallels in the annals of apartheid or colonialism.

F-16 warplanes never bombed South African homelands. They are used against Palestinian towns and villages. All entrances and exits to the territories are controlled by Israel (Gaza is completely surrounded by barbed wire), which also controls the water supply. Divided into about 63 cantons, completely encircled and besieged by Israeli troops, punctuated by 140 settlements with their own road network banned to 'non-Jews', Palestinians under occupation have now been reduced to 60 per cent unemployment and a poverty rate of 50 per cent.

They must endure long queues at Israeli checkpoints which detain and humiliate the elderly, the sick, the student and the cleric for hours on end; 150,000 of their olive and citrus trees have been punitively uprooted; 2,000 of their houses have been demolished and acres of their land destroyed or seized.

Since the latest intifada began late last September, 609 Palestinians have been killed - four times the number of Israelis - and 15,000 wounded, a dozen times more than on the other side. Regular Israeli army assassinations have picked off alleged terrorists at will, mostly killing innocent people like so many flies. Last week 14 Palestinians were murdered openly by Israeli forces, and thus 'prevented' from killing Israelis, although at least two children and five innocents were also murdered. Nameless and faceless, Israel's daily Palestinian victims barely rate a mention on America's news.

Nor is this all. Israel's plan is to make life impossible for Palestinians so that they will leave, or give up, or do something crazy like blow themselves up. Since 1967 leaders have been jailed and deported by the Israeli occupation regime, small businesses and farms made unviable by confiscation and sheer destruction, students prevented from studying, universities closed.

After eight fruitless years of the Oslo negotiations, the occupation has merely been packaged more efficiently and the phrase 'peace process' given a consecrated halo that allowed more abuses, more settlements, more imprisonments, more Palestinian suffering than before. Israel has implanted no less than 400,000 settlers on Palestinian land.

Ariel Sharon was swept to power essentially to 'subdue' the Palestinians, teach them a lesson, get rid of them. His record as an Arab killer goes back 30 years before the Sabra and Shatila massacres that his forces supervised in 1982, and for which he has now been indicted in a Belgian court.

But he isn't a fool. With every Palestinian act of resistance, his forces ratchet up the pressure higher, tightening the siege more, taking more land, cutting off more supplies, openly assassinating Palestinian leaders, making life more intolerable.

Pity not the inept, clumsy, pathetic Arab governments which can and will do nothing to stop Israel: pity the people who bear the wounds in their flesh and the emaciated bodies of their children, some of whom believe that martyrdom is the only way out for them.

And is Israel, stuck in a futureless campaign, flailing about mercilessly? If this was supposed to fulfil Jewish aspirations, why did it require so many new victims from another people who had nothing to do with Jewish exile and persecution in the first place?

Edward Said is a professor at Columbia University, New York

"it is a tragedy of both our people. How can I explain in my poor english? I think the arabs have the same rights as the jews and i think it is a tragedy of history that a people who are refugees make new refugees. I have nothing against arabs... they are nice people, they are the same as us. I don't know that we jews did this tragedy -but it happened."
Shlomo green, jewish refugee from the Nazis, on learning that his home in Israel was taken away from a Palestinian.

"could you tell him that i only wish him happiness?"
David Damiani, a Palestinian whose home had been taken away from him by force,(the ex-owner of shlomo's house), after learning Shlomo's reaction.

Calling you a fool would be insulting fools. You're way off limits.
& I wonder who lacks reading comprehension since your arguments 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,11,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23 have already been proven wrong... read the posts Marine!!!
As for the arguments:
10- political right isn't related to human rights. & this doesn't mean that they have the right to kill & throw innocents out of their homes.
12-innocents break the law because they are being mistreated, & I wonder who makes the law... hmmmm...
Try harder next time.

Thanks a lot for your help on this messageboard, I would have blown my head off if it wasn't for people like you. Some people really make me sick... & I know you agree :P
Stick with me, we're gona blow THEIR minds off with facts until they get a peek at the other side of the story.

btw I support everything you've said all the way.

You fools disgust me. I will not recognize your 'facts' till you start seeing the whole picture. Don't just tell Palestine's side.

Since, againstwar, you apparentlt lack reading comphrenision, I will post me arguements.

1) Israel has divine right to the land. Read the Bible, a book people around the world, from all religions, view as historical. Undisputable
2) Our media is pro-Palestine. I find it funny that Againstwar says I can't understand this situation becuase I don't live in the area, but you live in Lebanon and talk about my media. Stop assuming things.
3) Palestine is a bunch of Terrorists. Undisputable.
4) Israel simply acts in retaliation. Undisputable.
5) Arabs fled on their own accord when the Jews came. Infact, the Arabs even wanted the Britians to use force to stop Jews from coming. Undisputable.
6) No blood shed happened for Israel to become a state. it wasn't till after the UN recognized it that 5 Arab nations invaded Israel. Undisputable.
7) Palestinians manipulate the news. This was proven at the beginning of the 50 Years War when the Palestinians openly admitted they said Israelies raped pregnant women and killed children. Undisputable.
8) Palestine doesn't want peace. They say they do, but the same people hwo say that pay human bombs and participate in human bombs. Undisputable.
9) Old Habbits die hard. Arafat's claim to fame was blowing up school buses. Undisputable.
10) Israel has a politcal right to the land and the UN agrees with me. Even anti-American countries agree with me. Undisputable.
11) Palestine was Britians mandate, settle term for colony, so they had the right to do what ever they wanted to with it. Undisputable.
12) Israel kills 'innocents' because they broke the law. A law that was forced upon them because they killed Jewish civilians. Undisputable.
13) The Israelies say horrible things but the Arabs do horrible things. Undisputable.
14) The only countries that make the Jews out to be the bad guys are Arab ones that openly admit to their desire to annihalte Israel. Undisputable.
15) Lebannon and Syria have bombarted Israel since their exsitence. Israel should annihalte these country, in their defence. Only then will the attacks stop. Undisputable.
16) You people can not see the forest for the trees. Undisputable.
17) The only people the Jews attacked when they occupied Israel, were the British. Undisputable,
18) Palestine doesn't want freedom. Israel was going to give them 90% of the free land they wanted, but Arafat declined. Undisputable.
19) A Jewish state can not be founded on 'anti-semitism'. undisputable.
20) The Palestinians are free loading off the land that the Jewish let them live on and them complain about how they are treated. Undisputable.
21) The Palestinians are ungreatful for what they are given. Undisputable.
22) The Jews were willing to live side by side with the Arabs until the Arabs declared Jihad. undisputable.
23) The Jews are not the racists one. The Arabs are.

You fools have done nothing to prove any of my arguements wrong. Do not go off on tangents stick to this. Look at both sides, not just the Anti-Israel side.

I guess you have been monitoring what I do with my life since you can factually state that I have done no research on the topic. The arabs did flee in fear when they heard of the attacking Israelis as Marine said, this was the opposite of what the arabs hoped would happen when they made the stories up of raping pregnant women and killing children. The arabs hoped to gather support because their 40 million to 1/2 million Israelis was not nearly enough...haha. As on every issue there are studies which end up favoring both sides. Of course if you think one thing and you research it you will be biased, you should understand this.

The siani peninsula was taken by Israel in retaliation of an attack on ther UN given coutry, who was takig whos land to start? The Israelis were WAY outnumbered and out equiped until several days into the war until the czechs supplied them with weapons. If their land was an actual state given to them by the UN how can the arabs invade it without taking land which you are arguing the Israelis did? They can't and they did try to, by taking the siani peninsula they forced egypt to sign a peace treaty. Egypt is one of the only if not the only to have a peace agreement/cease fire with Israel. The other invading countries would not sign a peace treaty, only a cease fire as a peace treaty would be the same as defeat when days earlier they thought it would be easy.

Palistine could if the wanted get military equipmentthey even have a military of 35'000, they instead choose to bomb innocents at bus stops and market places. Why don't they at least send suicide bombers against military targets? Hmmm interesting. Also, the reasons the death toll for both sides is that while Palestinians use a bomb that kills 1 palestinian and about 5 (average) Isaelis and the Israelis have actual weapons of course they will be more effective.

So do you ,Kahira, believe September 11th was justified, if you do not it is on a smaller scale what the Palestinians are doing. Do you also agree with the US retaliating? If so you will see that this is what Israel is doing. Protecing its country, yes its country as given to thm by the UN.

Those 2 essays are from www.nimn.org

This is from the Washington post:

"On top of the bombardment came the massacres the next month at Sabra and Shatila, where Sharon's troops allowed Lebanese Maronite killers to enter the camps filled with defenseless civilians. The massacres sickened the international community and pressure from Western capitals finally forced Israel to withdraw from Beirut in late September. Troops from Britain, France, Italy and the United States were interposed between the Israeli army and Beirut, with U.S. Marines deployed in the most sensitive area south of Beirut at the International Airport, directly between Israeli troops and West Beirut."

Need more proof that everyone knows Sharon is a war criminal and that the massacres and rapes at Subra ans Shatila are true?Even the Rabbi denounced Sharon;and the other spoke the truth about Israeli soldiers(very brave of him to confess to all this ).Proof of the legitimacy of the "Arab's biased views",right from the lion's mouth.

Ariel Sharon: The War Criminal Takes Over
by Rabbi Michael Lerner

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Rabbi Michael Lerner is editor of TIKKUN: A Bimonthly Jewish Critique of Politics Culture and Society, author most recently of Spirit Matters: Global Healing and the Wisdom of the Soul (Hampton Roads, 2000), and rabbi of Beyt Tikkun Synagogue in San Francisco.
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Many American Jews are responding to the election of Ariel Sharon as Prime Minister of Israel with sadness, mourning and disgust. When Ariel Sharon was forced to resign from his position as Defense Minister during the Lebanon War, most Israelis felt that they had finally rid themselves of a man whose record of violence could no longer be ignored. Though his troops only supervised but didn't personally do the shooting of the hundreds of civilians in the Sabra and Shatilla refugee camps, the Israeli public knew of his many other acts of terror (including massacres of civilian Bedoins in the Sinai). By standards now being applied in Kosovo and Serbia, Ariel Sharon should have been brought to trial for war crimes. Instead, he now has been elected Prime Minister.
Outgoing Prime Minister Ehud Barak would like to blame this all on the Palestinians and their failure to accept his generous offers. But the reality is that Barak's offers were mean-spirited and limited. Barak was elected in a euphoria of hope for peace and he had a mandate to move ahead decisively. Had he announced an unequivocal intention to dismantle the West Bank settlements, allow for a limited number of Palestinian refugees to return each year, and create a climate of real cooperation to provide Palestinians with the economic infrastructure to make a Palestinian state viable, Barak could have built his electoral mandate into a permanent peace force.

Barak could have appealed to traditional Jewish values like the Torah's unequivocal commandment to "Love the stranger." He could have urged Israelis as a patriotic duty to begin to create dialogue groups with Palestinians and Israeli Arabs and to explore other paths for people-to-people reconciliation. Israeli idealism would have responded had it been tapped.

Instead, Barak played to his Right. He insisted that he would never compromise on Jerusalem or dismantle settlements. He did nothing to prepare the population for concessions he would eventually find necessary to make or to build reconciliation. Nor were his peace offers as generous as the media sometimes portrays. Even his last offer would have left 200,000 settlers, fully armed and hostile to Palestinians, on the West Bank. Israeli Arabs contributed mightily to Barak's electoral victory last time, but Barak refused to give them even a single seat in his cabinet on the grounds that having such an Arab would "discredit" his government. When Israeli Arabs protested the massive use of force to repress their Palestinian brothers and sisters rioting in outrage after Ariel Sharon's visit to the Temple Mount last September, dozens were wounded, thousands faced pogroms from angry Jewish crowds wondering through and stoning their homes, and at least 17 were killed by Israeli bullets,—yet Barak could only find the courage to apologize for this in the last three days of the election when he finally realized how much he had lost his own base of support. No wonder why so many found it hard to rally to his support.

The path that Israel is following is no surprise. Countries that seek to maintain by force the occupation over another people will eventually drift toward repressive or even fascistic leadership. Half way measures of the sort offered by Barak cannot work. Either Israel ends the Occupationm dismantles the settlements, and gets out of the West Bank, or it will drift to the Right until it has the likes of Ariel Sharon at its helm. But with Sharon, Israel could follow a path designed to provoke a wave of ethnic cleansing much like that which caused the Palestinian refugee problem in the first place. George Bush senior was the only U.S. President to have the courage to stand up to the "Israel-right or wrong" lobby that claims to speak for most American Jews. Bush Sr. told them to stop expanding settlements or lose US "loan guarantees" for money Israel sought to resettle Soviet Jews. When Israeli Prime Minister Shamir refused, Bush stuck to his guns, and the result was to create economic pressures inside Israel which helped elect pro-peace prime minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1992.

It seems unlikely that George W. will have similar courage or vision. Ironically, standing up to Israel and insisting that it dismantle the settelements, get out of the West Bank and Gaza, and accept publicily part of the responsibility for having caused the Paelstinian refugee problem (and state its willingness to take back a portion of those refugees small enough to not upset the Jewish character of Israel) is the most pro-Jewish thing he could do, though many Jews wouldn't read it that way.

The truth is that Judaism and the Jewish people are suffering from the impact of the Occupation. The mean-spiritedness in Israel that leads to a Sharon landslide makes many younger Israelis wish to leave Israel and settle in the U.S., and many young American Jews to say "my parents were Jewish" rather than claim an identity defined by Israelis as oppressors and people who think that power is more important than love.

When the American Jewish establishment rallies around such an Israel, they do more to drive young Jews into assimilation than any fear of anti-Semitism could ever do.

So, many American Jews greet the election of Ariel Sharon with great sadness and mourning—mourning for Israel and mourning for the soul of the Jewish people. With Ariel Sharon leading Israel, the world will be a scarier place for everyone.

Making Peace Means First Saying You're Sorry
by James Ron, P. A25

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James Ron is an assistant professor of sociology at McGill University. His fields of research include conflict and internal war, human rights, revolutions and social movements, social theory, weak states, and humanitarianism.
As a 19-year old Israeli conscript, James Ron took part in the brutality of the Israeli occupation of Lebanon. This personal statement, published in the Boston Globe on May 25, 2000, is reprinted here with permission from the author.

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Many hope that Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon will bring peace to the troubled border. But without acknowledgment of the destruction visited on Lebanon by Israel over the last 32 years, some Lebanese will not forgive and forget. Guerrillas will continue to fire rockets over Israel's northern frontier, triggering retaliations and more fighting. If the international community pushes Israel to acknowledge and compensate its Lebanese victims, however, the hostilities will finally end. I'll take a first step by apologizing for my own misdeeds.
My first Lebanon raid was in 1986. I was a 19-year-old Israeli conscript, and my paratroop platoon was sent to a village whose name I can't recall. I provided security for two Lebanese militiamen and their Israeli handler. We broke down the door of a home, shoved the family aside, and pulled a middle-aged man outside. After blindfolding him and tying his hands behind his back, we took him to a secluded alley, forced him to his knees, and put a gun to his head, threatening to shoot if he didn't talk. A UN peacekeeper appeared and put an end to that incident, but there was more to come.

The next day we performed a mock execution on a 10-year-old Lebanese boy. We forced his family into the kitchen and dragged him to a nearby orchard. My lieutenant pressed the child's face into the dirt while I jammed my rifle against his skull.

Although the officer threatened to shoot his head off, the boy did not respond, keeping silent even after we threatened to throw him from the roof of his three-story home.

I was a recent transfer from another unit, and my colleagues were more familiar with the drill. I watched and learned as they blew off doors with explosives, poured sacks of flour onto dirt floors, scattered utensils, broke dishes, and rifled through drawers. For days we ransacked the village, searching for signs of guerrilla presence. The elderly, female, and young villagers were trapped in their homes, ordered to observe a 24-hour curfew. Their men were gathered in a central square, blindfolded, and hauled off for questioning. When another soldier and I expressed reservations, we were ridiculed by our colleagues. More often than not, however, we thought little about the villagers we were tormenting.

Casual brutality was not limited to lower-income recruits. Omri, child of an intelligence officer, liked to fire bursts toward villagers peeking through doorways. Rafi, son of a liberal parliamentarian, kicked a cup of hot tea into an elderly man's face. Several were from kibbutzim, others from middle-class families, and our lieutenant was devoutly religious. We were one of the standing army's elite and disciplined units.

My experience was a small part of a long-running conflict. During the 1947-49 war, more than 750,000 Palestinians lost their homes to the new Israeli state, and many fled to Lebanon. In the late 1960s, Palestinian guerrillas began raids from Lebanon, provoking powerful retaliations.

After their main Jordanian base was crushed in 1971, Lebanon became a center of guerrilla activity. Palestinian attacks killed 332 Israelis between 1967 and July 1982. In return, Israel killed 5,000-6,000 Lebanese and Palestinians. The fighting helped trigger a 15-year Lebanese civil war that claimed 75,000-120,000 lives.

During the 1970s, Israeli shelling emptied dozens of villages and drove an estimated 300,000 civilians into Beirut's slums. Northern Christian militias received Israeli arms and training, while Syria supplied Israel's opponents. In the south, Israeli-paid gunmen acted as informants, interrogators, and enforcers. Israel's strategy was to disrupt Palestinian guerrillas by punishing the surrounding Lebanese population; the result was deeply felt Lebanese anger.

Israel invaded in 1982 to end Palestinian political ambitions. Jewish nationalists were eager to annex the West Bank and Gaza, and many believed this first required smashing the Palestinians' Lebanon base. One goal of the invasion, later publicized by Israeli journalists, was to deport Palestinian refugees from Lebanon with Christian militia help. The plan later collapsed, along with Israel's other grand designs.

During the invasion's first months, Israel killed 12,000-15,000 persons and lost 360. Although the Israeli casualties were combatants, most of their victims were civilians. Israel pounded Palestinian camps and Lebanese slums to drive the guerrillas out, turning neighborhoods into rubble.

Israel's allies doubled as death squads, massacring hundreds in Tel el- Zatar, Sabra, Shatila, el-Khiam, and elsewhere. Palestinian fighters were eventually driven from Beirut, but Israeli brutality helped create new enemies. Islamist fighters began to attack Israeli troops and fire rockets into Israel, stimulating further reprisals. When Jewish civilians were forced into shelters, journalists diligently conveyed their suffering. They did not give Israel's victims equal attention, however. With television dwelling on Israeli rather than Lebanese pain, the more plentiful Israeli- induced casualties became remote statistics.

How do nations move beyond such conflicts? Recent history suggests that political deals are not enough, and that truth-telling is vital. Consider South Africa, where a commission requires former abusers to acknowledge their crimes in return for amnesty. Or consider El Salvador and Guatemala, where commissions have publicized definitive accounts of official wrong-doing, helping the political healing. The international community has advocated reconciliation through truth-telling and accountability in Argentina, Congo, Cambodia, Chad, Chile, Indonesia, Rwanda, the former Yugoslavia, and now Sierra Leone. In these and other cases, war termination can be helped by official recognition of victims' pain, apologies, and compensation. Why should Lebanon be different?

If Israel wants a peaceful border, it must do more than withdraw from a mess it helped create. Palestinians and Lebanese languishing in camps and slums still harbor great bitterness toward Israel. If it wants to end this anger, Israel should recognize and compensate those it harmed. If Israel will not do so on its own, the international community should pressure it to do so. If other countries can face up to their unpleasant pasts, why not Israel?

Let me begin by asking forgiveness from the 10-year-old whose name I never knew and from the village whose name I no longer remember.

PROUDCONSERVATIVE:
Your unbased suggestion that the Palestinians made the story up is ridiculous and I am convinced that you do not do any actual research.If you (all of you) click on the links againstwar has provided you will see the actual photos and I'll download proof about the fact that the devastations were true and unprovoked;the proof is an acount from an Israeli that shared in these devastations,witnessed them,repented and wants to apologise;another account from a rabbi that Sharon is indeed a war criminal and that the fact that he did allow and encourage rape and massacre is true and acknowledged by the international community.

MARINE:
You say The Jews kicked no Arabs out when they came to Israel. The Arabs fled on their own accord. they fled because they were afraid of being the minority. No one made them."These are the words of someone who doesn't know what he's talking about.See the picture on the link againstwar provided to see that they were literally kicked out;and the very fact that you say they were afraid of being the minority refutes the statement that they were neither kicked out nor murdered,because they could not have become a minority when they were the ones who lived in the land for centuries,unless they were displacd elsewhere to make place for the newcomers.Therefore,they left out of (justified) fear.Otherwise there would not be a refugee problem as noone would live their home with no place to go unless they were terrified for their lives.

The very phrase "graciously given back the Sinai peninsula" which was taken by force,by war in 1967 indicates that you and proudconservative recommend and justify the stealing of land;as I said,Sinai was nowhere even in the UN's agreements.You are being deliberately ignorant to tell me,an Egyptian that Sinai was given back of good will and that Israel never lost a war.Are you going to educate an Egyptian on her country's history when you know nothing about it.October 6th is a day of national celebration in Egypt for the very reason that we beat the Israelis in Sinai,in 1973.My uncle was in the war,he received a medal for it-and certainly not for a defeat.We have footage of the war,so don't waste all our time on your unsupported opinions.

You have not "proved" any facts as biased or wrong,unless giving your opinion is your idea of "proof".All you have said is that our media is wrong(without ever seeing it ;and despite proudconservative admitting that the media in the US is biased,you still hold onto your opinion).

I get the CNN and that's how I know what American media is like(this goes to you too puppy..).I have a friend living in the US and another who spent the last semester in college there,not to mention the fact that several of my friends study in the American University In Cairo;plus my sister-in-law has lived many years in the Us and Canada.THAT'S how we know what the American media is like;I receive many American channels and American magazines and books are sold here.How much of our stuff do you get where you live.So,it's we who are aware of both sides of the equation.Againstwar has shown that much of your tax dollars go in helping Israel keep a powerful military force,and much also goes to keeping Israeli citizens living in a higher life-standard than the average American does;if you want proof for this you can also go on non-Arab related sites(use a search engine,do research)to prove it,because I've read this elsewhere,in non-Arab sites.

" 'Kahira, if you would read my posts you would see I did respond to the Israeli qoutes. I said, you people are fools for being caught up in 'horrible' things the Jews say while the Arabs say worse things and blow up Israeli citzens."In the next post,I will show you Israeli's accounts of Sharon,the war criminal,and the horrible things Israelis do do;and all fom a non-Arab,pure Jewish source.Fair enough?If you still refuse to believe then you're the fool.

Your pro-Palestinian society is still paying for the Israel military.Actions speak louder than words.

I call the Israelis racist yes;that is the Zionist policy;check out Phyllis Bennis's statement about how racist the Israelis are amongst even themselves(and she's Jewish).
If Arabs had invaded Palestine we would've warred against them,the same as we turned against Iraq for invading Kuwait(so don't make up assumptions about us).Jewish Palestinians were living in peace with the other Palestinians before England and the Zionists ever started this whole mess,so it's not their religion that bothers us.

"'As you probably read,the Zionists already wanted Israel to spread across more Arab land than Palestine' This only goes to prove me point that all you people care about is words, not actions. Israel only defends, prove that wrong. They have never made any attempt to expand their land."
Do you ever THINK?You just said Israel took land from Egypt.That should be proof that the Zionist's actions match their words and exposes your "Israel only defends...never made any attempt to expand their land " as a worthless ,thoughtless arguement.I'm sick of your endless contradictions.Prove THAT wrong!

"Since England controlled a country, they can do whatever they want with it and the UN agrees.
Arab papers are bias because, as I have proven, they despise Israel's exsitence. They want to gain sympathy from Israel's supporters. They want to make Israel the bad guys when they know it is them. Proudconservative allready proved that Arabs lie in their papers."
If you had any sense you'd realise that England once controlled America.What if they'd decided to give it away(because,of course,the settlers were the "original people"-sarcasm)
and you had been right now in arefugee camp somewhere?Can't you even form any empathy?Draw any relations between the two?
Proudconservative has never seen an Arab paper,nor did he prove them wrong;he did,however,effectively state that the American media MUST be biased as Israel is their ally.And you cannot in one breath say that Arab papers are biasd because they hate Israel,want sympathy fro its allies,and then say that your media is pro-Palestinian.If both medias had,indeed been pro-Palestinian,then you just can't refute that Israel's "the bad guy"because then even Israel's ally would be denouncing its acts!Compris??

Do tell me,what's the difference between guerillas and terrorism?Guerilla:person(not a member of a regular army)engaged in fightingin small secret groups(Oxford Dictionary).Well,I thought that was the American ARMY in Vietnam,and if I'm not mistaken,they were also fighting in a lnad that did not acknowledge their right to play a political part;they killed people including babies(hmm,didn't they make movies about this?and Americans denounced it;it seems you have a blood-lust if you think it was perfectly legitimate-no wonder you want to be in a war before you die!!).The only difference is that the American army went to a different continent so the Vietnamese could be violently persuaded not to go Communist,while the Palestinians are in THEIR land,where they have no rights,little political influence and the threat has already been carried out.Is it their lack of a powerful country giving them all the weapons they need and a name that makes them "terrorists"?

Oh,AMERICAN Christians can live in Israel ,but not Palestinian Christians?So are the latter less human because of their birth?No,no,Israelis not racist.Whatever gave me that concept?
Oh,and Pakistan is NOT an Arab country.Their language is Urdu.There are many stable Arab countries(Egypt included) that don't have war criminals like Sharon leading them.

PUPPYSONG:the information we have stated is corrct as you will see in Jewish staements I will copy below(one from a rabbi).You should love your family and I don't imagine you're enjoying this but you do need to see things in their true light.The first essay I will post below is an account of an Israeli man,who-like your cousins_was in the military and you will read what he did and what your cousins are encouraged(and probably do do)so don't ask me to feel sympathy for them if they partake in those crimes.

MARINE:I don't see that againstwar deserved your insults.And I'm telling you now to stop insulting our religions by either calling us heathens or elsewise.

For the record,since Arabs are pretty much Muslims and Christians,we're ALL on Moses's side and all think that the Pharoah and his supporters got what they deserved.

restate your arguments clearly... I'll answer on them all one by one as soon as i can.

In the 1948 war the Palestinians were largely defenceless, and sought to avoid getting caught in the fighting which broke out. A significant proportion of the Palestinian population was terrorized into leaving.

At first this was the result of threats, intimidation and acts of terror, in cities like Jaffa and Jerusalem, carried out by two Jewish terror organizations, IZL (Irgun Zvai Leumi) and LEHI (Lohamei Herut Israel). Of such acts the most notorious occurred on 9 April 1948 at the village of Deir Yassin on the western side of Jerusalem, when 120 villagers were killed. Deir Yassin had a devastating impact on Palestinian civilian morale, in the words of Israeli military intelligence,

"a decisive accelerating factor [to flight]"
(quoted in Benny Morris, 'The Causes and Character of the Arab Exodus from Palestine: The Israel Defence Forces Intelligence Service Analysis of June 1948', Middle Eastern Studies, vol.xxii, no. 1, January 1986, p.9).
Deir Yassin has always been considered as an Irgun outrage, but the destruction of the village was approved by the Haganah.

There were also deliberate efforts to force the Palestinians to leave their homes. During the summer months of 1948 a decision was taken to prevent Palestinian villagers, both in the forward battle area and behind Jewish lines, from harvesting their summer and winter crops in 1948. Others were directly expelled. In July 1948 Jewish forces resolved to seize the two Palestinian towns of Lydda and Ramla. From the start, the operations against the two towns were designed to induce civilian panic and flight, and at least one of the four Jewish brigades was told:

"Flight from the town of Ramle of women, the old and children is to be facilitated. The males are to be detained"
(Benny Morris, The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949 (Cambridge, 1987), p.28).
In Lydda fear led to panic, and many were shot down in what amounted to a large-scale massacre of probably 250-300 men,