Not In My Name: Taking Action for a Just Peace in Israel and Palestine - by and for Jews who can no longer tolerate and will no longer remain silent about Israeli Government brutality against Palestinians. I think you should check this too... http://www.nimn.org/
Individuals with proven guilt in war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide, such as (David) Ben-Gurion, (Moshe) Dayan, (Menachem) Begin, (Yitzhak) Shamir, (Yitzhak) Rabin, (Ariel) Sharon and (Shimon) Peres, as examples, seem to have ensured political dominance in Israel by individuals who were guilty of these crimes in their past. This would seem to indicate a criminal conspiracy to ensure that those guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity and genocide would never be brought to justice, and that those who would oppose the preparation of these crimes would always be excluded from achieving real political power in Israel.
It is a great tragedy for the Jews of the world that the relatives and descendants of Jews who perished by the massacres and brutalities committed by the Nazi war criminals in Babi Yar and Dubno and in the concentration camps of Auschwitz, Belsen, Buchenwald, Fossenberg, Mauthausen, Natzwiler, Neuengamme, Ravensbruck, and Sachsenhausen, have also committed heinous crimes against the Palestinians in Palestine.
The study of war crimes committed by the Zionists in Palestine discloses that those who were responsible for these crimes ensured that all others in the Zionist structure would have to be accomplices. The Zionists have systematically striven to remove conscience as a factor from any individual Jew in Palestine in the perpetration of their crimes.
To the outside world the Zionists have often tried to excuse crimes as “isolated incidents,” “unpremeditated incidents,” “acts of ultra-extremists,” and other whitewashes that have misled the world public opinion. In fact, all Zionist war crimes and crimes against humanity are planned in advance and executed for a desired effect, with malice aforethought and full knowledge of the consequences involved in order to serve the Zionist objective, namely, the annihilation of the Palestinians and their history of existence, and the establishment of a Jewish State.
The Zionists killed more than 100,000 Palestinians since 1948 and committed genocide by destroying the existence of Palestinians as a nation and made Palestinian refugees living in exile: In 1948 the dispossessed Palestinian population numbered just under a million. Today the figure stands at 4.9 million, or 85 per cent of the people of the land that became Israel.
"btw-how would you know, Kahira, againestwar, and 911 how the media in america is, if you live in Lebanon and Egypt?" We have access to the entire world's media, & unlike some people we look into all sides. & btw anything you see, we already saw, anything you know, we know too, & any information you get we receive before you... not to mention that we look at all versions of the story... so we're way better placed to judge the situation..
"You cann not dispute this because it is posted in you profile." it's all over our posts marine, i can't believe you're so silly!! 'Our media is pro- palestine." yes, I'm sure you're right. America offers 3 billion dollars a year to Israel not to mention the weapons they offer them & the rights, & their media is controlled by jews, not to mention their political leaders. They call Palestinians terrorists. BUT I'm sure you're right.. they are pro-palestians. You're too pathetic!! You really went too far!!! you're misinformed, stupid, bull-headed, uselessly stubborn, lack understanding, & hold an entire conversation with no worthy arguments or any logic. Even a pro-israeli who has a brain can see that you're full of none-sense. I've been bombarding you with facts & all you ever reply is that i'm wrong, you pretend to prove me wrong by simply saying that I'm so. well I have news for you, PROOF requires EVIDENCE!
I have been quiet all along trying to keep my comments as none biased as possible, but you really aren't worth it. You don't deserve the respect I've been showing you.
Talking about profiles, I find it hillarious for someone who has "marine16" as a nick & whose "one thing I want to do before I die is: Fight in a war " dares to pretend he is right in a topic regarding an israeli-palestinian conflict! I really wish for you to go to war someday. You deserve it, I want you to see people suffer, I want you to witness blood & to see children crying. & I hope when this day comes you'll remember me. All the people on this site who are defending israel strangely happen to have nicks & profiles that tell a LOT about them. You don't deserve anything, I really regret having tried so hard to help you see the truth. I regret not simply bombarding you with facts from the start... but don't worry... I won't fail at it now.... btw any of your comments are gona be simply ignored from now on. anyway what can I except from someone who refuses to negociate peace?!
Puppysong, I can sleep good at night knowing that just one person, besides myself, can see through the ignorance and lies people have posted. We know the trueth and the others don't.
marine16, you havent lost this argument.. there was no argument to win all this time, you have been trying to show them the truth about what is going on in Israel and they have refused to see what is before their eyes. I'm sorry that they wont see the truth, but at least you know the truth about what is going on, and you are letting other people in this site know what the truth is..
btw-how would you know, Kahira, againestwar, and 911 how the media in america is, if you live in Lebanon and Egypt?
Againstwar and 911 are from Lebannon and Kahira is from Egyptca. My original posts was a typo, and for that I apologize. This proves your bias. You cann not dispute this because it is posted in you profile.
I have no idea what news channels you people watch or what magazine you read. Our media is pro- palestine. The only time it isn't is 10 after a human bombing.
A plea to stop talking is a plea from a losing part.
I agree with nadia, we have to end all this. We all know that this conversation is only causing pain. Many comments really bother me & I know that I'm not the only one who have been hurt by this messageboard. We have uselessly transfered the israeli-palestinian conflict to this website. So I suggest a peace proposal, if we are unable to solve a small fight online, I can't understand how this conflict can end in real life. Who's ready to negociate?
PS: you're all invited to come to the middle east & check the situation up for yourself. & if you happen to pass threw Lebanon, I'll be more than glad to show you arround myself!
okay, well puppsong i understand how u might feel about wats going on. i personally know u and i dont mean to hurt you are anything..but some of this stuff bout palestinians getting hurt is true...and its not crap..there are things that are faked then there are things that r real, im sorry if you have difficulty believing that plaestinians get hurt do, they suffer, they cry, they mourn too. and isaelis cry, suffer, and mourn. they both have hardships they are living through. now my point was to say that they are both getting hurt. now...on TV its not all pro-palestinian in fact, it very rarely is. I HAVE A TV, I WATCH AMERICAN NEWS...AND THEY DO SAY STUFF FOR BOTH SIDES. USA is supporting israelis...so of course theyre stuff is going to support their side...but that is besides the point, u sed on tv that stuff is pro-palestinians..i think its not pro anything..its fact. just becuz it states that palestinians are dying as well as isrealis doesnt make it pro-palestinians..its making a general fact. ~~cyaz~~
Againstwar and 911 are from Egypt and Kahira is from Egypt. Is it just me are weren't these two of the countries that started the 50 years of Israel in defiance of the UN? You call me bias but my government wants peace. You government wnt eradification of the Jews from their holly land.
Once again 911, you ignore the fact that the Arabs forced the Israelies to retalite. You think becuase they are more 'violent' they are wrong when they were just defending themselvs. You are blind to the whole picture.
As for you qoutes that Israel is doing all they can to avoid peace. Are you talking about the suicide bombers immediatly proceding Powell's meeting with Sharon, pushing for peace, or something else?
Look at history, Israel offered Arrafat 90% of what he asked for and he declined. He had his chance and he blew it.
It is too much of a coinscidence that 911 is from Againstwars homeland and you defend her imaginery 'arguement' and I feel sorry for you.
"Anything Israel did to the Arabs was in response to the Jihad against them." i think by now you should have understood who's being VIOLENT !!!!! Death and injury statistics made it abundantly clear from which side the OVERWHELMING amount of violence comes from, as does the endless reports from human rights organisations that log home demolitions, agricultural vandalism, land confiscation, and other acts of violence towards inanimate targets.
"With the exception of Israel (whose government represents 5,842,454 people) and Micronesia (whose government represents 133,144 people), the governments representing the other 6 billion people living on Earth (and the international bodies through which they collectively express international opinion), consider Israel's presence in the Gaza Strip and West Bank (including East Jerusalem) to be a military occupation. Similarly, all Israeli settlements within the 1967 borders of these areas are also universally considered illegal."
All this conflict resulted from Israel's 34-year long military occupation of Palestinian land. Israel is destroying the potential for peace. Peace must, after all, be based on international law, and that is a compromise that Israel is unwilling to make.
And today, Palestinians in these tiny geographic regions are living under a state of unprecedented siege by the Israeli army, with almost all movement between Palestinian towns and villages prohibited (other than the huge number of deaths) For example, the Israeli army has dug a trench around the entire city of Jericho, which is supposedly under Palestinian self-rule, so that its 30,000 Palestinian residents must enter and leave through a single Israeli checkpoint.
tell me something...on what basis do u make the misleading claim that Israel offered 95 percent of the West Bank to the Palestinians????????? Nadia was totally right. You made Palestinians look inappreciative in the face of Israeli "generosity", when in fact the claim of "95 percent" is confidently made by media organisations, despite the fact that Israel presented absolutely no maps of what it intended to return...there was nothing the Palestinians could possibly accept! its offer is faaaaaaaaaar from bein "generous" in Palestinian eyes, and also does not meet the minimum requirements of UN Security Council Resolutions!!!
I don't blame you people for being brainwahsed (even if we showed the opposite) , the media prefers to present images of Palestinian stone-throwing rather than exploring the historical, political, legal or moral roots of the Palestinian Uprising, or even portraying the clashes in their correct context, RESISTANCE against 34 years of Israeli military OCCUPATION...
Marine.... if you revew againstwar's posts you can realize (uhmmm....i doubt that u are able to, but try anyway) that she showed respect all the way....but when reviewing YOUR facts, arguments, insults, and language in general, i wonder why she did so!
Marine, bushsupporter, proudconservative....the real facts are all presented, history clearely stated, proof is in front of you, aggression and violence are more than enough to determine the truth.... so i don't have a problem if you continue denying the facts (you're the one hiding from them marine), refusing the truth, i don't have a problem if you continue arguing with history.... but personally i won't be there to witness that, as i won't be back on this page again... i feel sorry for you.... we have prooved you wrong many many times... and you're still asking for it.... your one-sided "facts" are pathetic!!! i feel so sorry to read all this..... ciao!
Pupptsong, I am sorry you have to witness a site that is so hateful towards Israel. I am sorry you have to witness a site that is blind to the fact that Israel is not to blame. I am sorry that you have to witness a site that thinks Israel is an army of barbarians. I am sorry you have to a witness a site that only cares about the destruction of Israel and what the Jews say, not what the Palestians do. At least you, bushsupporter, and proudconservative, and I know the trueth. It is sad that people hide from it.
Againstwar, why would a Jewish state be built on anti-semitism? That total discreits your balderdash.
I read all posts on this site. None of the posts have disproved me facts and arguement or answered any questions. I am sure puppysong wouyld agree that my facts are not lies and my arguements are more ligitemate than your anti-Israel ones. All you people say is that I am wrong and 'you are stupid if you can't find an answer'. Stop saying you have disproved my facts, because you clearly have not. You people say I am wrong but go off an irrelevant tangent to try to disprove me. You people use something totatly irrelevant, that has zero value and has nothing to do with what I am saying, to try to prove me wrong and hide from the facts that surrond the event I talk about.
What you people fail to realise is that every fact you posts is the result of an Arab action. prove that wrong. You say I don't present facts but if you would go trough every page you would find all the facts I have posted to be true. Just because the facts aren't on this post page does not mean i didn't post them. You should read everything I write, not just some of what I write.
'For your information, any OPINION is BIASED' I do not live an Arab country that hates Israel. And you call me bias? You can not see the forest for the trees. 'RESPECT is what you OWE' I owe none anything that they do not show me. Show me respect and intelligence and I will respond accordingly.
Britian oversaw the Jewish occupation of Palestine. They would not allow any violence. They made no one leave but the Arabs fled on their own accord. They were afraid of being the minority. Anything Israel did to the Arabs was in response to the Jihad against them.
Nadia6, you say that the news is not Pro-Palestinian and then says 'even the news anchors say that they are'. What are you talking about. An Israelie even agrees with me. I found absolutley zero logic in you post and I is sad that you also hide from the trueth.
Puppysong, I am glad that someone else on this posts finally has common sense and logic. And don't worry about you cousins, they belong to the second most righteous and just country in the world. If they die in war it will be to defend their honor and anscetors who were exploited by the Roman, Egyptians, Stalin and Hitler. They will die with honor and led to the annihlation of all anti-Jewish Near East countries. Any way you cut, as I have proved, the Israelies are the good guys and all opposed to them are heathens,
CHECK WHAT'S WRITTEN ON THE DOOR OF THE ISRAELI PARLIEMENT.("the Lord will thresh from the flowing Euphrates to the Wadi of Egypt, and you, O Israelites, will be gathered up one by one.")
READ THE VERY DEFINITION & BASIC LAW OF THE ISRAELI STATE.(it's based on zionism, racism, antisemism & descrimination-check for yourself)
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