Do me a favor, don't use my own arguments against me, they don't fit. They were specially made for you

The truth is jewish religion was before christianity too not only islam .this dosen't mean that they have the right to claim their lands .
The truth is Israel occupied arab lands ,& the U.N has fed up releasing statments asking Israel to retreat from arab land, instead of this it increased it's offense on the palestineans ,demolishing their houses,assinating their leaders .they have killed over 1300 killing 340 children under 15yrs.then they refused saudi peace proposal which asked them to retreat from the arab lands,in order to live in peace with all their neighbours.

I agree with leahh.It's not like they've got much choice.

yes, Palestinians are terrorists! but did u ask yourselves why a 15 years old kid would become a human bomb!? why he should stop carring about his family, friends...about his life!??! well because it's worthless, it's a nightmare...these people are not living anymore...guys, they have no other choice...do u think if they could stay in their homes...if they had alternatives...they would commit such atrocities?? NO....they are just humans...they want to live just like us..but the problem is that they are not allowed to! why??? coz israel can just see them through their guns...if we dont allow them to have a proper LIFE, in a proper STATE..,they will remain terrorists FOREVER...yes forever...coz no one is giving them another way to fight! put yourself in their shoes for ONE second!

Ok ok you win Isrealis are terrorists, so then could the United States be called Terrorists. The way to fight terror is to terrorize back such as the U.S is doing to Al Quaida and its networks, This is also how Isreal is fighting Palestinian terrorists. I mean bombing a party for passover or a 15 year olds birthday party? Come on, you are the one who needs to see why the Isrealis are doing what they are doing, they are the ones fighting to keep their homes, RELIGION, and land.

Also, if palestinians want to let their children go and throw rocks at tanks they deserve what ever comes of it for being that careless and ignorant. And if you read the newspaper as you suggest it states everyday 3 more suicide bombers, kills themselves and ? others in market place, are you telling me the markets are full of men in the military? The answer is no, the markets are full of women and children

How can you say that? A pregnant woman can be a terrorist, what about the 18 year old girl that blew herself and innocent civilians. I don't feel sorry at all for the palestinias, they have been starting everything that is going on, if they can not defend themselves they should not be startuing a war that they can not finish. Israel can and will do whatever it nees to to defend itself, even from "innocent looking" civilians. Its just like vietnam using "innocent civilians" to go attack the United States, they had to be killed because no one caould be trusted, it is the same in Israel right now.

I really feel sorry for all those who have been brainwashed by the Zionist Lobby in the U.S.A that controls the American Media. I also feel sorry for all those who even refuse to listen to the other side of the story.

How can a 5 year old kid be a terrorist? How can a priest be a terrorist? How can you beleive that kids with stones in their hands facing a Mirkava (that is an Israeli tank by the way) be terrorists? How can you beleive that a pregnant woman is a terrorist?

Those are the people the Israeli's are killing .. who is the terrorist?

Let's talk about facts, about TODAY.. what is happening TODAY.. not what happened 2000 or 500 years ago ... TODAY, the Israeli's are using the worst kind of ethnic cleansing ... of genocide ... of terrorism against unarmed civilians... and you still consider that the Palestinians are wrong ... They are fighting to keep their homes, their land, their IDENTITY ... with their bodies and souls ... Sharon is the terrorist ... he is the one killing innocent civilians ... and MARINE.. if you want arguments and facts ... read the newspapers TODAY and watch the news ... no matter how much CNN is bias to Israel .. you can still see the Israeli terrorism .. since there is no way to hide it ...

Everyone continues to say that Marine has no facts. This is wrong. He has all of the facts. Everyone else just uses silly hypotheticals to prove their point. I applaud Marine for using the facts from several historical documents to support his argument. I, personally, support the Isreali's right to defend themselves from the barbaric, cowardly, terrorists that give themselves the name of Palestine.

"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.

Againstwar, 'The truth is right in front of you & still you refuse to see it.'

I would like to note that Israel is the only country in the world that didn't have to fight for its independence to establish its gouvernment. It actually had to take away another country's independence to do so. I find this really sad for a country that claims "democracy".. don't you?

Marine, I've been looking through you're posts again. I couldn't find any fact that backs up your arguments. & you seem to be repeating the same arguments none of them well-founded. Actually, I still can't understand how you found anything in my posts that backs you up either.
The truth is right in front of you & still you refuse to see it.

first indians didnt accpet the Newcomers...they had no other choice! and the fact that they cant fight does not mean that u guys have the right to live on this land...it doesnt make sense..."we would kill them" if they ask for their land!!! marine i just wonder who's the barbarian over here!!! you have no notion of Human rights!!! absolutely not!!

This silly argument about "Who came first" is not enough. although i refuse to get into this silly debate of Cannanites and philistines and Mesopotamia, i just like to tell u Marine, that u have to go through ALL the facts and not only the ones that support ur cause!! i'll give u some facts and trust me u're not the only one to read books over here.
So as u said, Cannanites existed way before the jews migrated to this land from Mesopotamia. later on, various invasions took place(596, 587, 583 B.C.E), the babylonian exile was followed by the return of 40.000 jews under Cyrus.under the roman empire, Jerusalem became Off limits to all jews and the country was renamed Palestine after the ancient Philistines, arch-ennemies of the early israelites.
Now since that time, Palestenians lived on this land!!! TWO Thousand years ago!! do u expect them to leave THIS land, and to give it back to the jews from ALL over the world , because early israelites were exiled!!!it became their land, ages and ages ago...where should they live now??? on the moon...why didnt the jews asked for it hundred of years ago!!! i think u should know, that if u dont ask for ur land after a certain period , it wont remain yours forever
now the zionists, not only want to take a part of this land....they wanted it all...all the Fertile crescant...and let this people drawn to the sea...this is pathetic...Zionists wanted a land for "a people without a land" but the only problem was that they forgot that this part of the world is not EMPTY!!!
The Newcomers to the land of America, massacared the Red Indians, took their land and made their superpower on it!!!! well lets see if the indians ( if they left any)"who came first", wanted to make a state of their own again, WOuld the "americans" LEAVE!!!?!?!

the problem now is not "who came first" ...since the UN Partition of 1948, the palestinians had the right to have a state...but the zionists never let them reach their goal...the Oslo agreement was a total loss...the good will of the jewish state never existed...and the Palestinians had NO OTHER choice but violence!!! put yourself in their Shoes for one SECOND! just ONE...and lets see if u can stand it!

Proud:
"The palstinians should not even fght, they should take what they are offered and praise Israel for not desroying them completely." Thats where you said it. Oh, and about the not deserving of rights bit, how exactly did you determine that? If one night it was announced that you needed to leave your home and land to people you dont know, I'm quite sure you'd be just a bit peeved.

It seems I am the only one on this post that use facts to back my arguements. It seems all everyone else uses is their opinions to back their arguements. And, in a rare exception, when everyone else does use facts, they only prove MY arguement. It seems that only arguement anyone can for anymore is that 'Marine is wrong and I have absolutley no foundations laid for this claim'. That is Pathetic.

Thisproblem started thousands of years ago, not 60. SO everyone stop talking about the 40 because they are irrelevant.

I have presented facts, numerous times, straight from the Bible. Againstwar, with your self proclaimed knowledge of the Bible, I find your arguements hillarious and hypocritical. All the Bibliocal facts I have presented can not be disputed. Yet you do dispute them and all you can say is that I am wrong. You offer no counter facts to dispore me. That is pathetic.

Every historical fact I have presented is true. Find me one fact that says Canaanites still exsists? Find me one fact that says the Arabs had migrate far enough West to inhabbit the land of Israel before the Jews, or even within a couple years. Find me one fact that says the Roman didn't kick the Jews out. Find me one fact that says Palestine was created before the Romans kicked the Jews out. Find me one fact that says the Palestines called it their hollyland before the Jews. If all of you have such strong, factual arguement, than why don't you guys pick a history book and prove me wrong? I think it is because you are afraid of the trueth and you know my facts can not be disputed.

My unopposed facts have lead to the only arguement on this post that can be taken into consideration. Israel has the proper right to the land, and they should desytroy the Palestinians.

Will you please state where I said that they should not fight and let their rights, which they do't eserve, be stripped away. They are in fact lucky to have any rights of which to fight for, or even a place to live. The Israelis gave them that land which they should accept and not try to take more. The Israelis have long proven that they are the supreme force in the mid east nd will fight off any and all attackers.

Proud, you suggested that the palestinians shouldn't resist and let their rights be stripped away. You're probably the same type who suggests a rape victim just tolerate it. as for Israel being the land of the Jews, yes, the place that the bible called israel, which is not the modern state of israel. The modern state was named Israel to signify that it was now the land of the chosen, not because it was on the site of Israel.

Whoever it said that China will retaliae if Syria or Lebanon are attacked, i don't even want to look again because of the complete absurdness of this statement, is competelyignorant. China will not risk starting a war which will end humanity over two insignificant countries such as these. As far as the United Sttes being international police, look, the UN and NATO are baically the unie states with a little of great britain. These are th only countries with the logistics to help out with the problems in this world. Are you saying that the US should stay out of everything? Cause if we had you an I would either not be here or we'd be speaking German or Japanese. Being the worlds police force is what is asked upon the United States by countries in need of support whether we like it or not.

The american revolution was a time in which colonies were set up only to rape from to benefit the mother land,England in this case. The settlers were fighting not only disease and indians but also oppression from the British. Their revolution was one to free themselves from basicaly slavery, much like the civil war fought later on. This was a true war in which the patriots were outmanned and outclassed in weaponry and fighting technique. They resorted to guerrila warfare to surprise the british and win their freedom, I hardly think that you should even live in America if you are comparing the american revolutionists to the terrorists in the world today blowing up innocent civilans. The palstinians should not even fght, they should take what they are offered and praise Israel for not desroying them completely.

Actually in fact,the jewish people and religion was around long before the muslms claimed right to the land, as the bible says that it belongs to the jews. This was written before the palestinians claimed the land as well. So if you are defending the palestinians you'e saying that if I wanted to start a religion and write a bible and claim America for myself I had the right to try to get that land and kick those ocupying it out or kill them? No this is absurd, the paestinians are also using ambulences to try and transport suicide bombers to kill innocent jews, even on the most sacred jewish holiday.How can this be justified by a god? The answer is that it can not. i hope the Israelis don't back down and drive the heathen rock throwing palestinians out of the jews rightful land. Also,how can a group whom are not recognized as a state go to war an gain sympathy?