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Registered: February 28, 2002
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Ge 26:3 -Do as I say, and stay here in this land. If you do, I will be with you and bless you. I will give all this land to you and your descendants, just as I solemnly promised Abraham, your father.
Ge 28:4 - May God pass on to you and your descendants the blessings he promised to Abraham. May you own this land where we now are foreigners, for God gave it to Abraham."
Ex 12:25 - When you arrive in the land the LORD has promised to give you, you will continue to celebrate this festival.
Ex 13:17 - When Pharaoh finally let the people go, God did not lead them on the road that runs through Philistine territory, even though that was the shortest way from Egypt to the Promised Land.
Ex 33:1 - The LORD said to Moses, "Now that you have brought these people out of Egypt, lead them to the land I solemnly promised Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. I told them long ago that I would give this land to their descendants.
Ex 33:12 - Moses said to the LORD, "You have been telling me, 'Take these people up to the Promised Land.' But you haven't told me whom you will send with me. You call me by name and tell me I have found favor with you.
Le 18:24 -"Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the people I am expelling from the Promised Land have defiled themselves.
Le 20:24 - But I have promised that you will inherit their land, a land flowing with milk and honey. I, the LORD, am your God, who has set you apart from all other people.
Nu 10:29 - One day Moses said to his brother-in-law, Hobab son of Reuel the Midianite, "We are on our way to the Promised Land. Come with us and we will treat you well, for the LORD has given wonderful promises to Israel!"
Nu 14:40 - So they got up early the next morning and set out for the hill country of Canaan. "Let's go," they said. "We realize that we have sinned, but now we are ready to enter the land the LORD has promised us."
Nu 32:11 - 'Of all those I rescued from Egypt, no one who is twenty years old or older will ever see the land I solemnly promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, for they have not obeyed me completely.
De 1:37 - "And the LORD was also angry with me because of you. He said to me, 'You will never enter the Promised Land!
De 6:23 - He brought us out of Egypt so he could give us this land he had solemnly promised to give our ancestors.


the following was taken from the Bible, & I chose those passages to show you that IN FACT it was not an Israeli homeland... BUT an Israeli promissed land... you can find the proof in each & every context.

Now, if you still have any objections on what I said you wouldn't be facing ME alone... you'd have to go against both the Bible & history... if you're still up for it! smile
-sawt el 7ak la youkhfa-(the truth CANNOT be hidden)

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In 1922 the League of Nations approved a British mandate over Palestine and neighboring Transjordan. The mandate was supposed to encourage the development of self-governing institutions and, eventually, independence. The Arab state of Transjordan (later Jordan) became autonomous in 1923 and was recognized as independent in 1928. In Palestine, however, independence was delayed while conflicting Arab and Jewish claims were weighed and Britain searched for a solution to the Palestine question. In 1916 an ambiguous political accord between HUSAYN IBN ALI, sharif of Mecca, and Henry McMahon, British high commissioner in Cairo, had led the Arabs to believe that the British would support the creation of an independent Arab state that would include Palestine. On Nov. 2, 1917, however, the British government issued the BALFOUR DECLARATION, which promised the jews to establish a home state on land of Palestine as part of its support for Zionist aims. Not long after World War I ended, Arab Palestinians began to evidence fears that enactment of the Zionist program would submerge them under waves of Jewish immigrants. In July 1919, the General Syrian Congress in Damascus demanded independence for a Syrian state that would include Palestine, categorically rejecting the concept of a Jewish national home. In 1920, Emir Faisal (later FAISAL I, King of Iraq), military commander of an Arab revolt (1916-18) against Ottoman rule, was declared king of this Syrian state. That April the Allied supreme council assigned France the mandate over Syria (approved in 1922 by the League of Nations) and, in July, French troops took Damascus, deposing Faisal, who fled the country. Anti-Zionist riots broke out among Arab Palestinians in April 1920 and were followed by even more serious violence in May 1921, after Britain announced that 16,500 Jewish immigrants would be admitted. Another serious clash erupted at the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem in 1929. That year the Zionists formed the Jewish Agency to help develop quasi-governmental institutions among the Jews. The Palestine crisis deepened in the 1930s when, in reaction to Nazi persecution of Jews in Europe, Jewish settlement jumped dramatically; the Jewish population totaled more than 400,000 by 1939, comprising nearly a third of Palestine's inhabitants. Between 1935 and 1939, Britain advanced proposals to stabilize the population with an Arab majority. The Arabs resented these schemes and Zionists rejected them. Between 1936 and 1939 the Arab Higher Committee, formed to unite Arab opposition to Jewish claims and led by the grand mufti (chief Islamic judge) of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin al-HUSAYNI, carried on a virtual civil war. Thousands were killed, and many of the Arab Palestinian leaders were deported or forced to flee. The conflicts of these years exposed serious Arab social fragmentation, as well as military deficiencies, that contrasted with the Jews, who formed a paramilitary organization, the Haganah ("Defense"), during the period of unrest. Britain's last serious attempts to reach a compromise were the inconclusive London Round Table Conference (1939) and the White Paper of that year, which promised the establishment within 10 years of an independent Palestine retaining an Arab majority. The White Paper also limited Jewish immigration to 1,500 per month until 1944, when Jews would no longer be admitted to Palestine. This limit was a devastating blow to the Jews of Hitler's Europe, and, after the outbreak of World War II, Zionists transferred their major efforts to attract support from Britain to the United States. In May 1942, the Biltmore Conference in New York demanded the formation of an independent Jewish commonwealth, a stance that attracted widespread endorsement from U.S. political leaders. During World War II the potential economic and military strength of Palestine's Jewish population increased considerably. After the war's end, when large numbers of European concentration-camp survivors sought homes in Palestine, Britain's resistance to reviving large-scale Jewish immigration prompted a revival of widespread disorder.

By 1947 the exhausted British declared that they could do no more and referred the problem to the United Nations, which voted in November to split Palestine into Arab and Jewish states. Despite violent Arab protests, the Jews proclaimed the creation of the independent state of ISRAEL, comprising more than half of Palestine's territory, on May 14, 1948, the eve of Britain's evacuation. Armies of the adjacent Arab states quickly entered Palestine. This war, the first in a series of ARAB-ISRAELI WARS, ended in 1949 loosing it and expelling more than 700,000 Arab Palestinians from their homeland by force and from fear of massacres like what happened in Dier-Yassin into adjacent areas controlled by various Arab states.

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The Balfour Declaration: Nov., 2, 1917

" Dear Lord Rithchild, I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet. His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours tofacilitate the achievenment of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country. I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation. Signed: Arthur James Balfour".

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Zionism: Basle Program: 31 Aug., 1897

"The aim of Zionism is to create for the Jewish people a home in palestine secured by public law. The congress contemplates the following means to the attainment of this end: 1. The promotion, on suitable lines, of the colonization of Palestine by Jewish agricultural and industrial workers. 2. The organization and binding together of the whole Jewry by means of appropriate institutions, local and international, in acordance with the laws of each country. 3. The strengthening and fostering of Jewish national sentiment and counsciousness. 4. Preparatory steps towards obtaining government consent, where necessary, to the attainment of the aim of Zionism.

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There used to be a jewish organisation called "al sahyouniyya" in arsbic...(sorry duno its name in english) who colleted money from jewish ppl all around the world...& when it had enough... it decided to make the jewish dream come true...
wonderin what's the jewish dream? in the old testament Moises mentioned a "promissed land" where jews can live peacefully together... so they went looking for it... your information isn't completely false... you thought that the jewish homeland was where palestine is...NO that's where their promissed land is supposed to be(that's what the bible said).
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awwwwwwww someone who knows what he's talkin about at last!!!!
& plz stop talkin abt thingz u know nuthin of(for all the rest)... especially in these cases... when u have nuthin to say in reply coz u know that u're not informed enough!!!
& YES I am Lebanese!!! YES I am an arab... and u're probably thinkin that arab means muslim!!!... NO I'm christian... & YES I know more than any of u abt the bible!! & NO I won't b back in here again.. u're ignorance make me sick... I'm sorry guyz.
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heh... what i found ridiculous is that the majority of you actually don't know what's going on. oh hold on fellas, before you say WHAT DO YOU KNOW with angry face, let me tell you something; Againstwar lives in lebanon, SHE knows what she's talking about. it's pretty simple, she knows about her nation's history and it's surrounding. and another ridiculous thing is that some of you apparently got all those info from CNN and all american media. BAD NEWS: NO ONE in arab world believes in CNN when it comes to the conflict in the middle east (i hope you people won't take it too literary by NO ONE, cos i'm sure there's some people who believe IN cnn). some of you just know what's black and white, what's been written. HAVE YOU visited lebanon, israel, or palestine? hell, have you visited THE MIDDLE EAST at all (not for plane transit, rather staying for some time) and READ the papers there? i bet that Bushsupporter and marine haven't, wait, don't yell at me by saying "you don't have to because we know" cos right now i can careless of what you say, since you don't even listen to what the suffering people are saying. Folks, authorities aren't always right.

I currently live in Saudi Arabia (and no, i'm not a saudi), the news of israel/palestine war is always the headline everyday. let me tell you, EVERYDAY (except one of two in a month). how many times do you see a bunch of babies and children got shot and killed on the paper in america? ya see, war doesn't only involve papers and guns, war involves FEELING. What really stupid is that often some of you don't understand that. the situation is not the large middle east against tiny israel. it's rather a tiny palestine against America and Israel. Now again, if you don't believe me and i know you won't believe me even if i scan pictures from papers, just go to the middle east and see the story from other eyes.

what i don't understand is that, a lot of people seem to think that suicide bombing in humble clothing is wrong while shooting pedestrians in army uniform is right. listen people, listen.

NEVER see the news one sided, even if it says "this is the correct/true/right story". Look at the news from different perspective no matter what. i'm sorry to all ya religious people, but if your book says "kill those ****ers and take over the land," please disregard that verse.

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I agree with you, but it goes even further than that. The bible is more than a religious book. It is historical. The hebrews took the land from the cannonites and it was theirs until the Romans kicked them out. Then they were enslaved by the Egyptians. They should get the land because they suffered through slavery. Right. It is there country and they should not step back from the truth.


"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.

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Read the Bible, Againstwar. The Bible puts an end to everyone of your claims and every priest, that is even someone familiar with the Bible, will agree. Ask anyone who has read the bible, they will agree.

Pick up a history book. The Hebrews inhabbited Israel and the west before the Arabs had even migrated from the west. Your arguement is completley false and you have abosultley no 'facts'. Do more research before you attempt to 'disprove' my arguement that is backed by the Bible and History.

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I hope u're not christian... coz if you are... GOD! I don't even want to think about it.. find a priest & ask him to correct your concept of this passage PLEASE!!!! you need it badly.
names of civilisations change when years go by, palestinians were there since the beginning the land was "the promissed land" but it was inhabitted by palestinians before the hebrews, maybe they did co-habit together for a while..but as you can see, hebrews were refugees in this "promissed land" no not "homeland"!! they never had a homeland,I insist i know what I'm saying.
your information is poorly researched & globaly misunderstood.
I'm gona ask you for one more research! why don't you just go & look in the history of Israel fo instance!!! at least this is something you can not explain or misunderstand... you'll see that I know what I was talkin about.
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1-canaanites?? this is in Lebanon my dear!! (I hope you know at least where that is.. but I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't..lol)
2-what u call canaanites r phoenicians.. phoenicians r ppl who used to live in palestine/Lebanon/syria...
3-just bcoz the name changed doesn't mean palestine didn't exist back then!!
& once again I ask u... who put the Israelis out of their, what did u call it.."home land"?
& plz don't blame it on God... u r misunderstanding the Bible..
try to ask someone who did objective researches on the subject.
you'll be shocked when you realize how bad you've been brainwashed...
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The nation of Isreal was created long before the Palestiniens were even created. Infact, centuries before. Sure, the Palestien Religion might lie and say the land of Israel is their homeland but the Hebrews declared it their homeland a VERY long time BEFORE the Palestiniens did. This is simply a case of who got their first. And there is no doubt that the Israel's got to Isreal and called it their homeland first. Infact, the Hebrews defted the Canaanites, the first inhiibatinats of the land of Isreal, to live there. the only people who have a legitmate claim to the land, besides the Hebrews, are the Canaanites. But no known Canaanite even exists, so that arguement is shot down.

The bottom line is Israel has every right to live in their homeland that they claimed hundereds of years before the Palestiniens were even created. How can you, Neta, defend people who's sole goal is the 'annihlation of the country of Isreal'? Israel is civilized and the lying Palestinien barbains are too blinded by ther 'nationalism' (since there isn't even a nation of Palestien I use 'nationalism' lightly) to realize that the nation of Israel has every right to exsits and they, the Palestineans, have no right to even complain.

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rememeber, i am israeli, and simply because of that i agree that we should get the land. razz
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dude, the palestinians think exactly the same thing, because in their holy book it says the land is THEIRS, that allah gave it to them. so now who's right? they both think that they are. and just because in your opinion israel should get the land doesnt mean you're right. confused
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No one is right Neta? I think your wrong. ISRAEL is right. Israel is right because it was their land to begin with. The Palestiniens are just greedy hoarders who are not happy with the land Israel gives them where they are allowed to florish.
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this has nothing to do with england
who can expect england to readily give away land? and who can expect people who are fighting for their homes to take it?
no one wants to coexist. why would they when so many people have died and a bitter hatred has formed.
there will never be peace. as lovely as it all sounds, there will always be the fundamentalist terrorists and suicide bombers that make stepping out of your door a risk. why would you expect anyone to settle for that.
i think israel should give back the gaza strip and the west bank, for i am israeli myself, and dont understand why my people arent satisfied with Jerusalem
as for the palestinians: many of them already live in israel, i saw their cities with my own eyes. nothin we'll do will stop them, but they may as well stop with the bombings, its getting them nowhere.
if only our world wasnt so materialistic. all it is are some words in an old book that many are losing lives and ruining others about. its just land.
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i'm sorry but some of the people writing on this board are terribly misinformed. for one thing, all the suicide bombings being done are the acts of palestinians. if you're trying to say that israelis are the cause of all the deaths you are terribly mistaken. this isnt saying israeli troops arent DEFENDING their country and killing palestinians in doing so, but lets not say that less have died than israelis. speaking of suicide BOMBS, what is this about palestinians defending themselves with rocks??

as for the situation, trust me guys, there wont be peace. i'm israeli, but i can safely say both sides are being stubborn. frown

if you think that israel would take land from england if they offered to give them some, trust me it wouldnt happen. israel has been offered an uninhabited island before, and they refuse. why? because in the torah this "fertile crescent" if you will was given to them, not some part of england or random island. thats what this whole war is about people! the palestinians think its their land, israelis think its theirs. no one is right! no one can ever be right because an opinion is never wrong, which prooves that, as i said, there will never be peace.

and guys, please!! its spelled ISRAEL!!! wink

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Well, againstwar, I have your proof. The proof is in a little thing called the Bible.

Moses, under God's will, led the Hebrews (Hebrews were Jews before the term Jew was invented) to a Nation (I apopolgize but I can not find the name of this nation.). When the Hebrews got to the nation the they had to drive out the nations only, and original, inhabbitants, the Canaanites (No known Canaanites exsists today.). Many years later Abraham, while the Jews were still iving in modern day Isreal, claimed all the land between the Nile and the Euphraites for the Hebrews. Eventually the Romans conquered the Nation, which was at that point called Isreal, and forced the Jews out. It was about then that Palestien was created. Now what about the Arabs? Well they aren't even a factor because when the Moses till the Roman conquest the Arabs were still solely inhabbitants of the East.

Palestien is a group of babrabians that has been ungreatfully freeloading off of Isreal's hard earned land. The only people who even a legitimate arguement that the land is theirs are the Canaanites. And since the Canaanites no longer exsits they can make no arguement.

There is no proof to disporve the fact that the Hebrews conquered the lands original inhabbitants, the Canaanites, for Isreal. There is no proof to disprove the fact that Palestian wasn't even created till after the Jews had called Isreal their homeland. There is no proof to disprove the fact that Isreals original inhabbitants were Canaanites and they no longer exsists.

There is no valid reason as to why anyone should have the land of Isreal except the Jews and the Canaanites. And since there are no more Canaanite the Jews can rightfully lay sole claim to the land.

By God's will Isreal exists and is there for superior nation in the Near East.

"Ask and thou shall recieve" The Bible

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"Hundereds of years ago the Jews had a homeland"...uhm....you still didn't tell me from where you've got this info!!
But since your so sure of it....convince me by answerin the following:
1-what were the country's limits?
2-who kicked the jews out of it?
3-when was that?
PS: if I were you I wouldn't bother looking for answers, there were never any jewish country.
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The PLO is a terrorist organization in my mind and in histories mind. It was started as one and continues to be one. It doesn't get any more terrorist than blowing up children on the bus to school. Arafat is the father of terrorisma and continues to support the "militants" in their cowardly actions of violence. I do not feel that Sharon has done enough to shut down the PLO and their cowardly followers. Sadly it is taking full military occupation to keep the barbarians under control. The palestinians should feel lucky to have their own portion of Isreal since it is not their country.
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Hundereds of years ago the Jews had a homeland, what it was called I do not know. Their homeland was were Isreal is today. Many countries forced the Jews out of their homeland and claimed the land for themsleves (One of these countries was Palestien.). After WWII the WORLD, decided the jews need grievences so they gave them some land they could call their own. So they decided to take their homeland back and call it ISREAL. I do not know why people are telling me this isn't true because factual history proves me right. School history proves me right. Internation history proves me right. Historians prove me right. People who don't know much about history prove me right. The Palestinians are nothing but thieves and thank God Isreal finally reclaimed their land. And

I can not believe that people on this site talk about helping weaker nation but when we help a nation rebuild itself, after it was stolen from them, people view us and them as the bad guys. isreal attacks so many other countries because those countries wronged them in the past.

As for terrosim. The PLO, Palestinian liberation Organization, runs Palestian. The PLO's main goal is the destruction of the state of Isreal (It even says this in their charater than anyone can obtain.). In addition to this Palestians leader is a known terrorists (He blew up school buses, Isreal Prime Minister did not.). To say that Palestian is not a group of terroists is wrong and to say that Isreal stole land from Palestine is wrong and ignorant (Perhaps some reading would bring people up to date.).