I've been to Palestine and Israel. I've seen the refugee camps of Palestinians, i've seen the beautiful gardens of the Israelis. I've been to the wonderful city of Jerusalem, i've gotten a taste of wonderful jewish and palestinian hospitality.

Beleive it or not,BOTH sides can agree on one subject. Many people of jewish folk agree that even Sharon has gone too far to anguish these Palestinians.
Suprisingly, Palestinians feel the same way with Arafat with thier quotes of his "deceitful ways of war".

For the record, I honestly hate the way people(mostly the media) say that Palestine is just a terrorist nation. Those idiotic people in those groups are just nothing more than thugs out in the street trying to make a name for themseleves. (Pssst,Israel does the same thing too, the media just doesn't want to cover it.)

So if you all must know, that without the aspect of the media on hand, that both these people are peaceful. Its all just a matter of who leads them and who follows them.

I'm sorry I went a bit too strongly on you last time...I was just in a bad mood..
I know that what you're talkin about is what you've learned ever since you were young, but listen to me please the jews are the people who control the world's economy. "Israel" wasn't there before palestine, I have no idea where u've heard that(but i'd love to know though). Jews r basically ony related by there religion... & israelis r those of Israel who are too attached to what the old testament said litterally... check out moises story u'll understand where did israelis come from, palestine existed even back then. (by the way Jesus is Palestinian..like it or not, he was born there).
if you honestly think that arabs are the ones who are causing wars I just want you to check out how much power (milittary &economic) they have...despit the countries who have oil(which by the way america wouldn't dare to annoy) the rest are very harmless & victim of the media.
you're talkin about palestine....ok! But what exactly do you know about this country NOTHING coz u've never been there...what you know is what you see in the media which is pure brainwashing...
& if any of you think that america is the world's greatest power....think again!
With the world's mondialisation, what controls us all is money & advertisement....& guess who controls those!!!!!!....yes.. jews!
the poor jews who were mistreated by everyone who are attacked by the savage arabs...isn't that what the media made you think of them????
I'll try finding you a good website that explains what's behind these wars.
How do you expect to know anything when you're livin in your country reading your country's newspapers which only shows you the story the way it fits them best... or maybe you look into international media...well the more international the more controled...sorry to desappoint you..
but you HAVE been brainwashed...(& I'll say it again...SUCCESSFULLY)

Against war I can not believe you just said, 'what you all call Israel is actually the palestinian land'! Many years ago the Jews were forced from their homeland, Isreal, and 'what you all call Israel' was given to the Palestines. Now, after WWII, the Jews were given back their homeland that was stolen from them. How can you say that Isreal are the bad guys when their land has been savaged and raped for years by intruders?

And as for, 'ISRAEL DOESN'T EXIST!!' I am at a los of words. I can not believe that someone would say this. IREAL DOES EXIST!!!! it exists because we recognize it as a country, just like the rest of the world. We recognize it as country because it was the Jews country, just as it is today, and was stolen from them centuries ago. To say Isreal does not exist implies that you feel Palestine exists. That is crap. Because the only land Palestine has was gracefully given to them by Isreal and no one even recognize Palestine as a country (We simpley recognize them as terrorists.).

Long live Isreal, because Isreal is what is best for the Near East. Long live the Jews because they have ravaged for centuries. They have been ravaged, this includes the stealing of their homeland, for centuries and is about time that, once again, they can say they have a homeland.

what you all call Israel is actually the palestinian land..it has been GIVEN to jews by england after the 1st world war( england received money in return which it needed badly to reinforce their milittary forces)
PS: I'm sorry to tell u this(I'm even more sorry 2 know this) but u've all been brainwashed SUCCESSFULLY....or so it seemz!

look, I'm new to this site & I just registered coz it hurtz so much to see ignorant people talking about subjectz they know nothing about!!!!
if u're not into politicz nobody is obliging you to be....just don't comment on thingz you know nothing of!!!
please check out misledyouth'z commentz he's obviously the only one here who really knowz what he's saying.(no offense for the rest)
ISRAEL DOESN'T EXIST!!

You know , enjolras, one side is rigth. Isreal. Isreal is right in everything they do because they are trying to follow in America's footsteps. Isreal is the Jewish homeland. Millions of Jews died in because of Hitler and Stalin so they needed to ber compenstated. Too bad that the land they chose whas the land the Palestines called their own (Which is obsurd because Isreal was the birthplace of the Jewish religion.). Since Isreal minds their buisness and Palestine wants to destroy the nation of Isreal, Isreal is right. The only time peace will occur in the Middle East, is when Isreal, with the aid of the US, outs down all opposition.

And misledyouyth, the Isreales do not opress anyine with out just cause. They oppres the Palestine because Palestine's only goal is the destruction of the Nation of Isreal. They attempt to do this everyday. WBy chosing to do that Palestine must except the consequensces.

lol the thing is, i would like to know where do you get the news regarding the violence in the middle east? shall i scan some pictures from arab news? pictures that you will NEVER EVER see on cnn, time, newsweek, and those kinda magazines.

the jews might have suffered from the holocaust, 6 millions have been killed, and been opressed for a long time. but does that mean now they can opress other people? about suicide self-destruct, i'm in no way justifying it, but they did it because they had no other choice. israel occupied their land, broke a bunch of treaty, so the palestinians have to stand up for themselves. now the arab world can't do jack because they are sniffing america's ***, and the america CLEARLY supports israel. so palestine has no other choice but to stand up for themselves and go on guerilla, which if translated to the 'international' term as 'TERRORISM'. the palestinians rebel to get rid of the israelis from their land, but they have no weapon AND they're not allowed to own any by america or international community, i forgot which is. so they use rocks...

*drinks some water*

...ok then (hahahaha) the israelis think it's terrorism to throw rocks at fully-armed soldiers, so they shoot dead those rebels. so now you figure out which side is right which side is wrong.

btw, there's no need to see cnn or any other major american news crap for in-depth info on conflict in the middle east.

KAHIRA! THE ISREALIS ARE NOT SENDING PALESTINIANS TO CONCENTRATION CAMPS, KILLING THEM IN GAS CHAMBERS, BURNING DOWN THEIR HOUSES, SHOOTING THEM INTO THEIR GRAVES, OR MASSACREING THEM BY THE MILLION SO DON'T YOU DARE SAY THAT THE ISREALIS ARE DOING ANYTHING REMOTELY CLOSE TO WHAT THE NAZIS DID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BY THE WAY, I AM NOT THE AVERAGE AMERICAN, I DO NOT BELIEVE EVERYTHING THE MEDIA FEEDS ME, I KNOW WHAT GOES ON IN THE WORLD, AND I DON'T THINK THAT MY GOVERNMENT IS MAKING COMPLETELY FAIR DECISIONS.

NOW WHEN YOU ASK ME WHAT I WOULD DO IF I WERE A PALESTINIAN I CAN NOT TELL YOU, BUT WHAT I KNOW I WOULD DEFINITLEY NOT DO IS KILL ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dont think that either side is right (to revise my last statement). I do not think that anyone should/have take over land in past or in present but they did and we can not change the past but need to think about the future but there will be no future for the people until the fighting is over.

I dont know much about the issue but I dont know where you get there are a lot of jews in teh news buisness here in america. There are not many jews at all. THe violence is bad and I cannot say one is righ over the other becasue I dont know much about it. I do know that the politics need to be resolved by the own countries, You cant conform people (well you can but you shouldnt).

When the Native Americans were being massacred they also fought back whatever way they could-and they were also being shown as the evil "savages".I'm sure they tried to killor hurt their enemies howerver they could(when they became enemies-not including their kindness with corn or that whole story)and they also had to be violent.But now,there's simply too few of them to do anything,and they're meshed into the culture,what's left of them,and losing much of their own AND being considered a "minority".Maybe they're not directly suffering now,but look where they were and where they became,and I'm sure some of them still feel sore.No,they're not bombing buses,but then,they're haven't been massacred for a long long time,unlike the Palestinians,who go through this daily.If you were in their place,what would you do?Smile and be submissive when your relatives are being killed,when you don't have a passport(the simplest of human rights),when you probably have to immigrate elsewhere to survive,when only 2 decades ago,refugees like you may become were massacred in Sabra and Shatila camps,allowed to be massacred by the Israelis who were supposed to be guarding them,under the responsibility of Sharon who's still around and still allowing massacres to happen and will probably never receive punishment-or a just one-while he lives?How would you feel?And how would you respond when you're being subjected to unchecked violence on your land while even the areas thet were left to you are being taken away once more,and without an army of your own?It's said that every action has an equal and opposite reaction,and this is the fruit of the injustice and terror reigning in Israel.Think how desperate they must be to commit suicide bombings just to put up some sort of resistance to tyranny!

What I meant was that if England was so kind as to care about their fellow creature,why didn't they give a piece of ENGLAND(the island)rather than "generously giving"a land they were OCCUPYING at the expense of its citizens.If it was supposed to be "equally shared"it still meant half as much as the natives of Palestine had-and the Israelis wouldn't even settle for that !!!And as I said,Judaism is a religion and NOT a race,but a blend of races,and the ones that survived the Holocaust should have simply immigrated to other countries lke everyone seeking ploitical asylum does,rather than taking what the Nazis did to them and doing the same to innocent people!And say,if England WAS so kind as you seem to be making out-well,the Palestinians are refugees ,right?Why not give them,say,the south of England since they're so generous with land "belonging to them"?I believe the English had different reasons for setting up Israel,rather than offering refugees a place to be safe.I'm not quite clear on what those reasons were(but I thinkl I'll figure it out sooner or later).

Lib,I said this before,but your media is not giving the full picture,and you know how simple that could be(think "Wag The Dog").Unfortunately,our media is rather weak and so far not up to the job of spreading full awareness...but don't believe everything you see on TV.And who knows,maybe someday there'l be a movie about Palestinianbs and what they went through(,much like all the Holocaust movies stirring up sympathy),and everyone's conceptions of this whole ordeal may change.

GREENPARTY....Actually,considering that America's supplying Israel with weapons etc..I think America could change all this,or at least put change into effect.I agree with you though,thet Bush is supporting them all the way,and then some.I think there must be powerful Jews that are causind the US to be so adamant about supporting Israel,because I can't think of any other reason

okay look the whole situation started thousands of years of ago, can we hope for peace, yes and no no in that america can't hope to change that, the only way that will happen is with a completely different system of leadership, these people hate each other, and until they are unified under a strong leader with the cause of peace, now the more recent edition of this problem was brought about by a treaty made by Britian in 1917.I'm not sure about the exact wording of this treaty, but basicly they promised to divide the area evenly, fairly and clearly ending this whole argument, but after world war 2 the league of nations got caught up with the holocaust, and therefore decided only to follow through with half of that promise. obviously the palestinians felt they were wronged, and they were and have been, now the american joke of a president, also know as George Bush, has almost completely sided with the Isrealie, side, anyway thats what I think

I understand that the Isrealis have done terrible, terrible things to the Palestinians, but are Native Americans bombing busess? No. What's done is done and obviously the Isrealis aren't going to give back the land. By the way, when you said "why didn't the English give the Jews part of England?" That didn't make sense. They did give part of England, it belonged to them so basically, they donated land to a religion.

I don't think you can say any one group, organization, country, religion, etc is "right". People are an individual. And say, just because my country acts in one way, doesn't mean I've dedicated myself to stand by her without a doubt.

Try looking at everything from a non-biased view.
Like we hate the Taliban because of the terrorist acts (and if you ask me, we're trying to show them who's who and what's what)
but they attacked the US for a reason too. Those suicide terorists believed flying into the WTT's was a good thing and would bring hope to their generation or whatever (Im not intirly sure)
And Afganistan fears the US because we have the power and money to finish a job
But still we bomb there, even though there are many casualties

I'm sorry about your mom's family,but the point is Palestine shouldn't have been occupied by the English in the first place-they never had the right to take it to give it to someone else.It's like stealing and taking some of that money then giving the rest to someone else-but not the people whose money was stolen.Also,I don't think England was so kind-if they wanted to give the Jews a safe refuge out of the kindness of their hearts they could've offered them a part of England.

And the Palestinians and Jews WERE coexisting in peace-in Palestine!You can't expect the Palestinians,many of whom were around when their lands were taken from them in the first place,to coexist happily with the same people who came from other countries and were not Palestinians at all(no matter their religion),and took their property.I mean,if someone kicked you out of your house,would you,even 20 years later,take a house next to theirs and say-let's be friendly neighbors??And now,after decades of a suffering whose magnitude you cannot possibly appreciate as you're being fed only what your media has to say,you can't really think the oppressed and oppressees can peacefully coexist?Even if they became equal-and that'd never happen-the Jews would still have the upper hand because most of them were not palestinian to begin with and inherited lands that should've belonged to the palestinians they were taken from!They simply don't have a right to be there,and the persecuted Jews could've immigrated to any country back then without stealing one.

Also,it's not surprising that once they realised they could take land and the West wouldn't do anything to them,it's not surprising that they invaded other Arab lands as well.And they hate Arabs!(this does not include Jews that don't support Israel or the exceptions that don't have the hate)But,they collectively hate Arabs,even if they don't hate Arabs individually-and that's one reason Israel's like a ticking time-bomb in the middle-east.Especially since America's "allowing and helping "them build nuclear bombs,but "forbidding" it to all Arabs,thus making Israel extremely dangerous(I personally think this a malignant effort on the US'S part).I hate all thoughts of nukes,but I especially don't like the idea that neighboring enemies possess them!

I must say also that all this sufferring would make it difficult even for the original Palestinian Jews to coexist with the Muslims and Christians even if Israel disintegrated-it's simply too much impounded into their heads that these are the people who killed our fathers and mothers and siblings,that the only way the'd get along is if they got extra protection until time erased the memories.You have to understand that the Palestinians are bitter,as are the Jews that had to suffer the Holocaust;and soo many Arabs are angry about what's happening to their neighbors and to themselves.I mean,my Dad can still remember when the Egyptian Sinai was occupied by the Israelis,how they cancelled all exams,how they couldn't put on any lights at night so they wouldn't be visible enough to target.And my parents can still remember being in Lebanon at the time of the war.Even I can remember hearing bombs in the distance in Lebanon,and having windows fly open from the air pressure.
Just like the Iraquis were kicked from Kuwait,so the Non-palestinians should be kicked out of what shoul've been Palestine."There can be no peace without justice".

LiberalChic, clearly you aren't getting my point and this could go on go on. First of all this whole Pangea thing you were saying is totally differant and the opposite of what we are talking about. i don't even know how you could compare that to this. ( i am not going to even get into that) I would love for everyone to live together. But the Israelis don't want that. And of course the Palestinians don't want to live with people who think that way. Don't ask me why they can't live together, ask the Israelis. It's not like i want war or hate over there. The whole situation is crazy and we can only wait to see what happens.
Nadia
P.S. You need to read more about this instead of just listening in science class. There are plenty of books out there about this.

I don't understand why the Isrealis have to take part of the country. Why can't they live along-side the Palestinians. I have neighbors from all different countries, why can't the Palestinians. Why must we have barriers in our land. Why can't we be one land (like Pangea, the super-continent that was all the seven continents put together before the continental drift. I listen too much in science.). Okay, I know. I can probably give a million reasons why not, but it is a cool concept!

LiberalChic, the statement you made at the end of your comment is right on. There needs to be peace. Both sides need to share the land. Unfortunately, this will not be achieved through the opression and repression that the Israeli's have practiced against the Palestinians for the last half century. And by the way, you are right. The Jews were persecuted and suffered a great deal. Does that make it ok for them to turn around and do the same thing to the Palestinians? The answer is no. We need peace. We need it now. There has been enough killings, enough hate. The Palestinians need a fair deal, one which grants them their basic human right to freedom. They will not settle for mere scraps of land and agreements which deny them any real political equality. Of course, the first step must be to get rid of the war criminal which now runs Israel. I'm speaking of Ariel Sharon, a man who is responible for the slaughter of thousands of refugees in Lebanon and was even dismissed as a tyrant by his own people. He doesn't want peace. He abhors the Palestinians. Granted, Arafat doesn't have the greatest record but he is much better than his counterpart, who conveniently uses him as a scape goat. End the occupation and peace will come. Don't expect anyone, including Arafat, to be able to contain a people who have their basic human rights taken away from them. In the end, only a true peace, granting both sides equality, will end the conflict. To this date, such a deal has not been presented.
Nadia

Where are the Jews supposed to go? My mother's family is Jewish and has escaped from the Nazi's in the halocaust. All throughout history the Jews have been forced to leave their countries and when England finally gave the Jewidh people a safe haven they gave them a place that was already occupied. That wasn't exactly the Jews' fault. Why can't Palestinians share their land with a suffering race? Why can't the Isrealis share their land with a suffering country. The Jews in Isreal aren't innocent, but they were in need in the past, and now they are getting a little power hungry. Kahira, would it be terrible for the Isrealis and the Palestinians to make peace and share their country? Is it too hard to ask?

P.S. Jews think of themselves as Isrealis because it is (was) their one safe harbor.

Thank you Nadia.