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Registered: May 24, 2003
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Some of the people here are realy arogant.
Put aside all of that and listen to whats what,

-Israel is a country
-Jewdism is a religion, how can you take the only country that is inhibattided by that one religion?
-Palestine does need to have there own country, if not they'll just keep on killing Israelis AND YES IT IS BOTH SIDES WHO DO SO but my god, ITS VERTUALY IMPOSSIBLE TO KILL SOMEONE WITHOUT HAVING THEM KILL YOU BACK!!
get over yourselves!!!!!!!!!!!!

Israel is now giving them land, happy? I wonder if you will stop killing them now...
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Registered: March 22, 2003
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The link is
http://fair.org/extra/0207/generous.html
i hope it's right now
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Registered: March 22, 2003
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Peacefull solutions are the best,& finding excuses for killing civilians are worthless,but resisting the occupation is another issue as it is legal in intrnational law.
As regard the Camp David issue ther is a common misconception about it ,May be this link is usefull ,Read it
http://fair.org/extra/0207/generous.html
As regard the jewish issue.

the word "jews" was said in the old ages to mean the inhabitants of the judea or judah in palestine & calling a "jewish" in this time was for regional not for relgious aspects.
then after development and spread of it in babelon the name was called for those who went into the religion without any relation to race or nationalism to judah or its inhabitants,including those who became jewish whose their & their ancester 's feet never stepped in the land of palistine.
So jews now can't be called judeans,who don't exist now.

The word "Isreal" itself is an old arabic word ,from two parts that always end with "Eal" or "Ella" whist means the great god to some old arabic tribes,as many words like Ismaeal,Gaebreal.

Good dye
Registered: May 23, 2003
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Also: Sure, Judaism is older than Islam. But that doesn't mean they neccesarily have a claim on the land.

If you think being older gives them ownership of the land, then if Babylonians or Zoastrians decided they wanted Jerusalem, would you think they should have it? Zoastrianism (For the ignorant among you, yes, real, still existing religion) was there first...

Yes, Israel is the only true religious homeland of Judaism, but when Britain set up Israel, it's also true that it was the literal home of the Palistineans living there. There is argument for possesion in either case, so cooperation should be the ultimate goal.

Conservatives simply like Israel, JoeyDauben is a dirty dirty neocon libertarian. What do you expect?

Jah Love.
Registered: May 23, 2003
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Look, neither side in this conflict is pure. Sure, Palistinians get shot with big high-tech guns, but then Israelis get killed with big low-tech explosions. They both want the same land, just because one of them has more governmental control over that land doesn't mean they're less justified.
However, I could have more respect for the Palistineans if they would engage in Gandhi-tactics. Sure, there are some Palistineans and foreigners who have worked for Palistinean empowerment through peaceful methods.
But the Palistineans (or atleast Arafat) have rejected some not-too-bad deals (at least for a time being, definatly) from Isreal (can you say Camp David? That was refused by Arafat.)
Both sides have done stupid, stupid things. No one can really be right in this situation.

By the way Gandhi's peaceful protestors DID get attacked with machine guns and the occaisonal tank, but the entire idea was to NOT let that get in the way of their peaceful methods.
You do hear about the Palistinean peace gathering (often both Israelis and Palistineans)
but I think the ante needs to be stepped up. Suicide bombings are the answer to nothing.

Jah Love.
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Registered: March 22, 2003
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The palestinian should try non-violent means of resistance !!!
For your knowledge ,they tried every thing out .
Who refused the U.N resolutions? Isreal

Who rejected the last arab leage peace proposal "Full recognitin of Isreal+ Just & comprehensive peace IN RETURN to the land occupied in 1967" ? Isreal.

who is being slaughtered in a daily basis by tanks,hellicopter gunships,& artellary..

Who started the Intifada when he entered the sacred mosque with over a 1000 soliders?

It seems that you are following the news pretty well on Mars.

May be if the palestinians use the Ghandi way they would take more support,but Ghandi was not attacked by the most deadly weapons like apaches &F16's.

Who reluctantly accepted "The road map" after reservations (over 15 one) that would destroy the peace process?!! & who acceppted it right away ? The palestinians.
Registered: May 24, 2003
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Shut up sam.

LAUGH MY *** OFF!!!
Im sorry did i frustrate you?!haha
superstar is right, you'r so INmature! lol god is on your side? Have you guys spoken lately on the phone??lol....
God doesnt side with murderers! and your full of crap
Registered: April 07, 2003
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Well i think both sides need to practice nonviolence. Basiclly all the violence is in retaliation for what the other side did its an endless cycle, which either side can stop by saying as cliche as it sounds violence never solves anything, and stop. Also if all this engery focused on hate was focused on peace, peace could be easier to achieve. I think itll be a hard road but it is possible if just one side can decide to stop the violence the other side will fall into line cuz there is nolonger a reason or motivation for violence. I mean with this whole conflict there has been alot of sucide attacks and killing, thousands of lives later u r in the same position u were in be4 cept worse cuz ur people have been hurt.
Both sides r equally to blame and a completely unbiosed source must be the negoitator(maybe the UN).
I agree if Palistine used a Gandhi like approach to this they could win more support, thus futher helping their cause to get their own state and once they have their own state it will be accepted in the international communtity.
The treaty was signed in both countries so now all they must do is stick 2 it.
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Registered: November 27, 2002
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I agree with the way you suggest we take care of the conflict.If both the Israelis and Palestinians could at least try, things would get smooth real fast
Tenai
Registered: May 21, 2003
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The Palestinians should be trying non-violent resistance, along the lines of Ghandi. Its proven to be effective, and wins more international support.

Salaam
Registered: May 02, 2002
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Shut up sam.
Registered: May 24, 2003
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I've been following the news alot and this board, and up untill now i fiind that palestinians are realy realy winyyyyyyy.F****!You guys kill israelis and you dont want them to do anything about it?!?!?Screw all of them! they(arabs)kill my people too and i i think they are savages!
Registered: May 02, 2002
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i think u should be more clear, talking about God then the number 3, what a coincidence!.

u can say whatever u like but at the end of the day we are the right people and we are God's chosen people. so all i have to say is that ur state will not last. and we are sure of that cos we have God's scripture.Hope we follow it.
Registered: May 21, 2003
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Your still complaining about "Dijja" right?

Salaam
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Registered: November 22, 2002
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I was asking you if you were 3 years old!!You anoying excuse of a human being!

Isrealis will never leave their land so get used to it.
And ignorance in my mind is someone who belives only in their right to kill but dont like when other do it to them.
and ya, learn how to read!
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Registered: November 22, 2002
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I was asking you if you were 3!!You anoying excuse of a human being!

Isrealis will never leave their land so get used to it.
A
Registered: May 21, 2003
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Isreal shouldn't exist. It came it being because land was seized from Arabs in the area. And the British only did this after all the terrorism against them by fanatics. Also, the Israeli army treats palestinian settlers as second class citizens, denying them rights and forcing higher taxes.

Also, far more palestinians have been killed by Israelis then Israelis killed by Palestinians. (I think its around 3,000 to 800. But I'm not sure.)

Salaam
Registered: May 02, 2002
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Truth!!! the truth is that u dont know the truth. and here we go again, the ongoing ignorance. who started the killing? mmm :Zionists

God=3 , very logical!!

And u dont mind palestinians living in israel... who are u to mind or not to mind. Offcourse killing is wrong but its the right for palistinians to defend their lands, children, and themselves and they will do whatever it takes.

by the way ur 3 gods didnt mind u being bisexual?!!! Go get a life. and again, THINK twice before talking rubbish. I attack people cos i cant handle ignorance.
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Registered: November 22, 2002
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one day Israel will vanish because we believe its gonna vanish and God is on our side.


OH GROW UP!

"God is on our side", seriously, are you like 3?
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Registered: November 22, 2002
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Ok wierd child dijja?
Im sorry, I dont think your mentaly stabeled...Israel was Israel untill palestinians banished them, they came back to their land and were nice enough to let palestinians stay there.I can't blame you for attacking me and callimg me names because theres not much i can expect from people like you...You cant handle the truth so you attack when you don't agree.
I dont mind palestinians living in Israel, but once they start killing people, i get pissed off so i strongly advise you to tone it down a bit and get your act together.

oh and..."What goes around, comes around"---> to all the people who think killing is alright.
Please stop the killing and learn to get along.
Because ISRAEL is gonna live forever and on.
Smile If you want peace, act peacefully Smile
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