The First Amendment is as outdated as the Second, in some ways more so. For that matter, the same can be said for much if not most of the Bill of Rights. I can write a book on how the Constitution needs to be changed, especially the First Amendment.

Back to the point, the fact is, guns save lives. Even gun control advocates know this even if they won't admit it, because they want the protection police armed with GUNS and a military armed with GUNS. That includes "specialized personnel".

ignorance must be bliss

Wow this thread is extremely long. I'm against guns too. I know it's in the Constitution that men have the right to bear arms, but that was in a different time period/situation in which these men had to arm themselves with guns for their own survival. Unless our government and local police are going to knock down our doors and kill us for being Commies or something, I really don't think that guns should be available to the public. I also consider the fact that these guns will still be available to the "bad guys" through the black market or some underground enterprise, but at least they won't be so easily accessible. People are just a lot safer without guns. Only specialized personnel should have access to them.

That's pretty much the same thing as supporting "strict gun control".

The problem is that "licensing" laws - read: purchase requirements in most places - are way too strict as it is. Giving the same bureaucrats who run the DMV the power to say who can and can't own a gun is insanity. In practice, this is almost the same thing as supporting an outright ban on all firearms.

And restrictions on certain kinds of politically-incorrect guns does nothing to fight violence, but deprives law-abiding citizens of perfectly useful firearms.

I support some restrictions, such as background checks and such, but I dislike double-standards, and in order to do that, I would also have to support similar restrictions on other constitutional rights. And I don't necessarily have a problem with that, so I don't have a problem with background checks. The problem is that, again, bureaucrats often abuse these laws, which means they must be questioned and possibly repealed.

I'm against violence at all. But I want the right to defend myself with a gun. I think the license laws on guns should be very strict and that certain types of firearms shouldn't be allowed to be purchased. And I'm not a big fan of hunting but I think that's an American right so I'm saying as long as the hunters are licensed, that's alright too. You said it in one of your first statements---it's the person behind the gun that's using the weapon inappropiately. If I buy a gun, I probably won't ever use it. But then again, it's there in case I need to use it and it'll make me feel safer to have it. I know that having guns, does make it more susceptible for people to use them wrongly. But if no one had guns, more people would probably be hurt while trying to defend themselves because they didn't have a gun to do so or to at least frighten the attacker into leaving them alone. I guess it's a 50/50 shot. It's really not going to work out perfectly either way. But for me, I'd rather be with a gun and feel safe than be without one.

yeah id take the m16, a grenade launcher, how cool is that

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You keep your M16, i'll stick with the AK,

ive grown up shooting SKS's so thats why i have the love for AKs

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I wish our millitary would use AK47s, its an awsome rifle, they are cheap, and you can throw dirt in the chamber and they'll still fire like new. But with all these fancy guns the US uses, you just breath on it funny and you have to clean them.

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The AK is very innacurate compared to the M-16. The M-16 also creates a much larger wound channel, not to mention the massive ability to attach all sorts of tectical accessories on the newer models.

And the M-16 A3 is a very reliable gun. The old stories of the gun jamming if you sneeze on it were from the A1 (read, early Veitnam) days.

Give me the 16.

I wish our millitary would use AK47s, its an awsome rifle, they are cheap, and you can throw dirt in the chamber and they'll still fire like new. But with all these fancy guns the US uses, you just breathe on it funny and you have to clean them.

thats not what CelticNewAger sadi.
he seems to like mindless violence.
people like Celtic are the reason people fret about what will happen with the Concealed Weapons Proposal.



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what are you people talking about?
all you are talking about is being vandalistic and destroying things.
tah is senseless and wrong.

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The things that I shoot include: Cans, Jugs, Jars, Pales, Glasses, Plates and other things that I get much joy in shooting. That is the point, I enjoy it.

what are you people talking about?
all you are talking about is being vandalistic and destroying things.
that is senseless and wrong.

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what about the occasional broken bottle or plank with nail?

being Puerto Rican, i prefer to beat up people with knives and chains

I don't hunt, I just like to shoot bullets and make stuff get destroyed. Check out this badass gun that is being developed to phase out the M16 for the USArmy.

http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/rifles-carbines/xm8.html

the U.S is very free about gun use. where i live, you need a ton of permits and licenses to get a gun, so its not that easy to own one.

how can we believe someone who says they have guns that arent even real.

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Doctor, if you'd like to find out, come down to my town. Or I'd come to yours. When I get a plane ticket.

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How about you just post some pictures of yourself and your asenal with a sign that says something unique, like "Dr. Strangelove is a freaking moron" or something along those lines. That's simple enough.

Because if, at 15 you can afford multiple 800+ guns, then you sure as hell can afford a cheap digital camera.

Thing is, if you actually wasted your money on a Desert Eagle, I'm sorry for you. Those things are over-hyped unreliable peices of crap.

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Shut up you stupid, stupid CS player.

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Doctor, if you'd like to find out, come down to my town. Or I'd come to yours. When I get a plane ticket.

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gun laws are too strict, if I want a cannon i should be able to buy a dammed cannon.

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Amen.

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Apparently redrepublican, marine, and I are the only ones who can post intelligently and coherently and use reason. If you all who are saying things like "I like guns," are serious, thanks for agreeing with us, but I am suspicious that you are using liberal sarcasm, in which case you disgust me. And yes bauhaus, i do think that cannons should be allowed to be owned.

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I hate liberal views.

Well, bauhaus, I guess that even when we agree, you must attack me. I ahve offered proof, it is the Constitution. The second amendment is the definitive source and the ultimate proof.

"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.

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