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Picture of redrepublican
Registered: June 04, 2004
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after i go tdone laughing over your name ProudLiberalDemocrat i htough
IT IS A VIOLATION OF CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO NOT ALLOW THE CONCEALED WEAPONS.
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Registered: October 22, 2002
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Art is a waste. Plus, many kinds of art - such as media violence - are violent, and breed violence, which blows your whole theory, ProudLiberalDemocrat. Society would be safer if that kind of are were banned
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Registered: March 09, 2004
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Also, think of all those kids that get shot from playing with guns. One of my friends lost her brother to a gun when they found it in their parents closet and started fighting over it.


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more kids get hung by those draw strings on blinds then guns. you stupid ignorant biatch!
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The majority of the time, someone shoots their own family member because they mistake them for a thief. I'm ok with guns if people use them for hunting, but otherwise I don't think they make much sense.


You will when you realize that they save far more lives than they take. That's why cops carry them. In fact, deep in their hearts, almost every gun control advocate realizes this. If they honestly thought guns were for killing rather than protecting, why would they want cops to carry them?

I posted a number of resources on this a few years back, I think in this thread. Take a look. I don't remember if I cited the fact that England and Australia are pretty much tied for number 1 spot leading the world in crime, including violent crime, but this dubious honor occurred shortly after both countries enacted some of the toughest gun control laws in the world.

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I mean, first of all, handguns serve no purpose except to kill other people.


People use them defensively 2.5 million times a year. They serve no purpose other than to protect. Sometimes people do need to kill others with them, sometimes for legitimate purposes, sometimes for criminal ones. But the fact is, the raw numbers favor high gun availability.

Furthermore, I could argue the fact that media violence serves no purpose other than to incite people into violence. (And, by the way, at best, it's only legitimate purpose is that it's a source of entertainment; it's not like it's life-saving or anything.) So, banning it can be justified even if it means shredding the First Amendment. Hopefully you see where this is going.

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Secondly, the chances that you would happen to have an indtruder come into ur house and, also, the even slimmer chances that you'd be able to whip out a gun in time is pretty low.


Where are you getting this propaganda? I mean, are you even capable of checking this out for yourself? It happens all the time, and for every reported incident there are probably dozens or hundreds unreported. Do a goodle for the "Armed Citizen" column.

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Also, think of all those kids that get shot from playing with guns. One of my friends lost her brother to a gun when they found it in their parents closet and started fighting over it.


I'm more concerned about the vastly higher number of kids who die by car accident, accidents around the home, drug abuse, etc. If maximizing the number of lives saved by accident each year is your goal, you picked the wrong subject to worry about. Accidents will happen, statistically. If you educate people, that's the best way to avoid them. Unfortunately, gun control advocacy groups have proven to be a real enemy of true safety; in 1998 and 1999, hardline gun control advocates like Gov. George Pataki of New York and now-former Gov. Parris Glendening of Maryland fought successfully to keep gun safety training out of schools.

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Not only that, but the US has the highest number of deaths by guns per year in the whole world!


The U.S. is about 10th in crime and 11th in violent crime on the 2000 International Crime Victimization Survey. England/Wales, Australia lead, with a virtual who's-who of European nations with "tough gun control laws" in between - France, Denmark, etc. I guess by gun control advocate logic, you are less dead if you get stabbed or beaten to death than if you get shot.
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Registered: March 09, 2004
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I am a very strong supporter of guns. Anything limiting it is taking my freedom.

bushsupporter and marine I have seen zero facts or articles posted from you two about this topic. I have done tons of research on why gun control does not work, and its posted in this thread.

democrat, the soviet union fell because its COMMUNISM!!!!!!!! its going to fall regardless. geez. why cant people figure this out?!


and guns are a work of art, and this is coming from an art major.
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Registered: June 08, 2004
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Love is the real god and guns do nothing but kill love.
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People need to stay safe. the only people who want guns are power mongers with no respect for the good of the masses. how wonderful would that be if revolution could occurr without guns. the soviet union had no guns and a very small murder rate. we need an american glasnost and an american peristroyka!
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Registered: September 19, 2001
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Apparently redrepublican, marine, and I are the only ones who can post intelligently and coherently and use reason. If you all who are saying things like "I like guns," are serious, thanks for agreeing with us, but I am suspicious that you are using liberal sarcasm, in which case you disgust me. And yes bauhaus, i do think that cannons should be allowed to be owned.

"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.

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Registered: June 08, 2004
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everyone needs a gun.
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Registered: June 04, 2004
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umm thats nice that you like to go hunting in all but some people on this website think that weapons have no point other than to hunt.
while i wish this was true, it isnt and those who use weapons against innocent lives must be justified.
americans should be able to carry concealed weapons.
Registered: June 08, 2004
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I love going hunting.
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gun laws are too strict, if I want a cannon i should be able to buy a dammed cannon.
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not everyone thinks that guns dont make much sense except for hunting. thats why we have wars for crying out loud.
it si gurenteed in the constitution and really its not like people will go around shooting up towns.
as ai said in the previous post, they take you through a strict and excrutiating background check and you must go through a lenghty gun safety course.
thsi has been allowed in forty some states and very few problems have arisen.
whatn is the problem? end of argument.
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Registered: December 19, 2002
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Guns are marvelous
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It is always a question of need to you lefties, isnt it? Why, I really dont get it. This country was not built and expanded on need. It was established on want and desire. The American Dream doesnt say "It is possible to obtain anything you need," it says "It is possible to obtain anything you want here." The Constitution certainly wasn't written with stricly need in mind, otherwise we would be commies. The gov. says you only NEED 1 loaf of brad this week, so come down to the bread line." That is a disturbing attitude. I don't care if you think I NEED a gun, I WANT a gun. And I am GUARANTEED the right to a gun according to the second amemdment of the Constitution.


"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.

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Registered: November 16, 2002
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I had to do research for a paper on guns. The number of gun deaths is too much. The majority of the time, someone shoots their own family member because they mistake them for a thief. I'm ok with guns if people use them for hunting, but otherwise I don't think they make much sense. I mean, first of all, handguns serve no purpose except to kill other people. Secondly, the chances that you would happen to have an indtruder come into ur house and, also, the even slimmer chances that you'd be able to whip out a gun in time is pretty low. Also, think of all those kids that get shot from playing with guns. One of my friends lost her brother to a gun when they found it in their parents closet and started fighting over it. Not only that, but the US has the highest number of deaths by guns per year in the whole world!
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Registered: September 19, 2001
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This isn't a question of personal feelings. No one cares if you think guns hould be allowed. It is a question of our Great Constitution. The second amendment, which follows the first and most important, is there for a reason. It was intended that "the right of the people to keep and baer arms shall not be infringed." Tyrannical governments from Hitler to Saddam use the tactic of gun control just as the American left uses it. "Guns are bad and kill people, if we want peace all guns should be turned over to the government." Thoses of you who who agree with that last statement are truely extreme leftists. Our Glorious Constitution says it all - "The righ tof the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.

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Registered: March 13, 2002
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They learned not to rob houses again. Quickly. If you got shot with a .50 cal, you'd learn too.


Shut up you stupid, stupid CS player.
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Registered: November 30, 2003
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With all the hardware I got, I like the gun ideas. Someone tried to rob our house 2 years ago. They learned not to rob houses again. Quickly. If you got shot with a .50 cal, you'd learn too.
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Registered: June 04, 2004
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people should be able to carry concealed weapons.
its not like they jsut hand out guns to peple.
you have to go through a stringent background test and take a lengthy gun safety class.
Wisconsin is one of the few states that doesnt allow this.
and it is so pathetic.
they're have been few if any problems with the concealed weapons.
if they're had been too many problems then no it would be a horrible idea but there have been few problems.
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