Sorry about effect i have no idea how that happened.It's weird cause there's two $ symbol keys on my computer er laptap w/e u want to call it. And yes many dont think while others just dont pay attention to or care about it.

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And yes by the way it will e$ffect people of all ages

but they don't think that

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Originally posted by ampmaster:

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ask them about campain 2008

cause it doesn't matter to them, they can't vote and they're young enough

Just because your not old enough to vote dosent exclude you from being in the know on important things. And yes by the way it will e$ffect people of all ages. Don't get me wrong their good in school but they just need to pay attention more. I once talked to this girl saying she is going to party her ass off in high school and college, I talked to someone IN college and they said that he should've tried harder in high school. Instead he wanted to have fun. And honestly if your all about fun and games and someone gives you a gun your more than likely going to make poor choices and do something stupid cause you were haing fun or playing a game.

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ask them aboutcampain 2008

cause it doesn't matter to them, they can't vote and they're young enough to think that it won't effect them, mainly because they're thick, a condition that will worsen as time goes on resulting in horribly mutations and aberations like valley girls and professional politicians

Their accutally all silly. And care all about whos going out with who. What people are going to do over the weekend. I mean so caught up in their social life if you ask them aboutcampain 2008 or anything like we are talking about on YN their like...so what are you doing this weekend. And to me it dosent seem their ready for anything. There are many smart kids in my school yes that could handle one but others no. But that really dosent matter. If your old enough you can do it.Im talking about driving drinking ect. LEGALLY i know ppl do it other wise.

They can laugh at whatever they wish. As long as they know when to be silly and when to be serious. And it is possible believe it or not.

They laugh whenever you say pudding. IDK why. What do you have to say about that???

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Most kids my age laugh if you say something relativly to lets see smart way to put it....the male organ of copulation and urinary excretion.

The word 'penis' is funny at any age. And I don't see how laughing at a penis is a sign that someone can not handle a gun. Again, your logic eludes even me.

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considered mature enough to run around with guns

not to mention drive the engines of destruction known as automobiles

Hey flying is safer then driving a car. Wich honestly scares the shit out of me. And yes some people are mature some well arent. Most kids my age laugh if you say something relativly to lets see smart way to put it....the male organ of copulation and urinary excretion. Older people will understand. And to tell you the truth it annoys me. So be honest if you laugh at that you might not be able to handle a gun...and the drinking thing still dosent stop people from underage drinking. So anyways they focus on age more then maturity i guess. Anyways I forgot what I was talking about...all I remember is me somehow agreeing with you guys....idk.

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considered mature enough to run around with guns

not to mention drive the engines of destruction known as automobiles

Just a small observation, in the US the drinking age is 21!? Yet you are considered mature enough to run around with guns yet never mature enough to hear swear words on TV. Strange.

All right, I wrote quite the little essay for you guys. It's a bit long and kind of repetitive, mostly due to me lacking sleep and not knowing quite what to write about. It probably has a lot of holes, but it should do nicely for keeping other threads on topic.

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woah, you really hate Jam huh?

I inhereted the really old, old guards smoldering hate (mostly celtic's)

woah, you really hate Jam huh?

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and now I'm looking forward to clpo's thread on moral relativity

yeah, should be interesting. I don't want to argue more on the issue until then, but just so you know, I don't really disagree with you. I do realize "right" and "wrong" are relative terms, and aren't outside of ourselves. I just have a hard time seeing it that way on some issues that seem so obvious. But we'll leave that argument for the thread

yeah we knock on wood though the only wood that would affect jam would be a stake through the heart I think

and now I'm looking forward to clpo's thread on moral relativity

LOL exactly...it sucks though, it actually makes me start missing Jamaica(but just a teeny bit don't get me wrong, the second she comes back I'm sick of her) *taps on wood* (do you do that in the US?)

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likely to piss off every civil libertarian in the country.

no likely about it

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We need to find new topics...

the problem is we argue ourselves out, some newb gets on and says something inane either pro-(subject) or anti-(subject) and a veteran from the oppostie camp corrects them and it escalates from there until you and I, maya end up doing this all over again

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Originally posted by clpo13:
This sounds exactly like the moral relativity argument I was having with Neph before he vanished for a few weeks. Read through some of the past posts here. That's my stance on the issue of what's right and wrong, which is quite similar to amp's. I should probably create a moral relativity thread so we don't drag either of the two other ones off-topic too much.

I'll check it out, you should definetly create a separate thread about the topic, though! (if you have time, that is)

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Nothing new for gun rights/abortion/samesex marrige debates

We need to find new topics...

This sounds exactly like the moral relativity argument I was having with Neph before he vanished for a few weeks. Read through some of the past posts here. That's my stance on the issue of what's right and wrong, which is quite similar to amp's. I should probably create a moral relativity thread so we don't drag either of the two other ones off-topic too much.

Anyways, the whole idea of gun control is to reduce crime, right? The problem is that gun control laws in the United States have never resulted in a significant reduction of crime. Why is this? The black market. Gun control laws only affect the legal gun market, but that won't stop criminals from buying illegal weapons. Take the North Hollywood shootout of 1997. The shooters in that incident had illegally-modified automatic weapons. You don't get those things from the gun dealer down the street.

Bottom line: you're not going to affect the criminal element by establishing gun control laws. You're only going to hinder law-abiding gun owners. I see nothing wrong with background checks, registration, and psychological evaluations, but again, that's only going to affect the legal market. Any nutcase with enough money can buy an AK-47 from a shady dealer, and no amount of laws are going to prevent that. Well, unless you want to punish people solely for possessing a gun, which is unconstitutional and likely to piss off every civil libertarian in the country.

Nothing new for gun rights/abortion/samesex marrige debates

edit: Ironic that I'm for all three of the big rotation debates