As loco mofo has pointed out, gun control has seemed to limit the law abiding citizens in our country, but given the advantage to the criminals;
Someone with an "unregistered" gun should face a SEVERE penalty. MANDATORY of 2 years in a max pen. (let the potheads go free MANNNNNNNN< ). Implement propaganda (billboards and ads) to emphasize the punishment, and watch the car jacker switch to knifes and ginsu real quick. Bag the criminals who choose to use a gun for their crime, and watch them go away for a while.
but; let the citizens have their guns.... with registration and education, it could even help the states.
I dont like guns either. I hate to hear about children that are hurt or killed by a gun related accident. but, in ways, they have to be here. we have to protect our selves, keep the animal population down, etc. And, as much as I would love to see them leave, it would be nearly impossible to get them out of our society. Think of how many guns are out there.
quote:The whole dangerous-killer-weapon thing creeps me a bit…
Tell me, do you have knifes in your home?
quote:(I also watched thet episode of Six Feet Under where the 6 year old blows his head off
While this does happen, remember that TV is also the land of cops being shot up with UZI's (never happened in the US), firing bullets that can penetrate steel sheets and then some, as well as being fired and apparently stopping directly behind the target. (the average .22LR can put a bullet out a couple kilometres.)
quote:but here the laws are different and it does work
Ummm...seen your stats about the rising levels of gun violence in Europe on top of the enormous crime rate?
Sorry. I just don't like guns. The whole dangerous-killer-weapon thing creeps me a bit… I don't know any official statistics (where do you guys get hold of this information, anyway?) All I am going on is personal experience, which is that I have not heard of any school shootings here, whereas I have heard of them happening in America. (I also watched thet episode of Six Feet Under where the 6 year old blows his head off recently, which may have influenced my thinking a little) And that statistic you said earlier… 55% of Americans owning guns or something? It's nothing like that percentage over here. I have no facts, but I'm pretty certain about that one. It's just that a lot of you were saying that changing the law wouldn't work, but here the laws are different and it does work (from my sheltered nieve viewpoint at any rate). Sorry if I have offended anybody, I honestly didn't mean to. And that really is all, I hope, unless people get annoyed again and I feel I have to Redeem Myself…
quote:Also, if the gun laws were changed, the person breaking in wouldn't have a gun, therefore you would not need a gun to defend yourself.
Do you not realise that criminals break laws ? Regardless of what laws say, they do what they want. If firearms are outlawed, law abiding ciizens will be unarmed, but criminals will still be carrying firearms.
Just because you are scared is not a good reason to suggest banning firearm ownership. Instead of fear, why dont you try basing your arguments on facts in the future ?
Bex,you what you said is foolish.If a criminal wanted to get a handgun/rifle he would find no trouble in doing so on Britains overcrowded black market.For your information gun crime in England is on the rise in a serious way.And what you said about a criminal breaking in when everybody is out doesant work either,they target the vunerable,old people..single women..families,if you have a gun you are not as vunerable.I posted a topic a few days back about the right to defend yourself and your property and mentioned the case of the farmer who fired a warning shot at three thiefs and killed one of them,thanks to people like you the 2 remaining thiefs walked away free and the farmer was jailed.Without guns in England there is no deterant for thiefs since they get small jail sentances(if any sentance) and the police couldant care less(in some places it takes 4 days for police to arrive at the scene of a robbery).You have obviously never been burgled bex so you dont know what its like to be in the situation where your families life is in danger and you have to do something about it.Saying that there are "lots of other people you know who would not want to own a gun"does not help your argument either.You obviously know nothing about guns so you are afraid of them.
Okaaaay, I've just read all the other posts on here and some of you seem a little crazy.
The whole idea that having a gun makes you safer is c.r.a.p. Having a gun is asking for trouble! Also, if the gun laws were changed, the person breaking in wouldn't have a gun, therefore you would not need a gun to defend yourself.
Also, what kind of intruder breaks into a house while there's somebody inside? If I was going to steal something, I would make sure everyone was out first. Unless he was purposely breaking in to attack you, but very few murderers randomly attack somebody they have no connection to, sadly most murders occur within a family.
So why, exactly, are guns necessary? I think we manage this particular issue more sensibly in Britain… and I'm very surprised that some of you want gun laws to be even more relaxed. WHY? Pretty much anyone in America can get hold of one already. And why should it be a 'right' to own a deadly weapon? That's like saying you have a right to kill people (yes, a right to defend yourself… by killing someone). I understand the world is frightening and dangerous, but owning a gun makes it even more so. Sure, it's ok if you are sensible, but plenty of people aren't. There are lots of people I know I would really NOT want to own a gun. And that's all, folks!
I live in England, and the gun laws are much stricter over here. I have never understood American gun laws. They don't work. Very occasionally, you will still get a tradgedy here like that one in America recently…… darn I forget the name, was it Columbine High School? But nothing like as often. I think if the laws in America were changed, it would work out a lot better. I don't see why it should be so easy for someone to get hold of a deadly weapon and I don't think it's the right approach to take.
I wouldn't say that . . . some are just misguided. Some anti-gunners are rather intelligent . . . they just submit to propaganda and emotion fairly easily . .
Heres an argument the anti gunners might actually understand:
Criminals are called Criminals because they commit crimes
Law abiding citizens are called law abiding citizens because they dont break major laws.
Criminals DO break the laws
Gun control laws affect Law Abiding Citizens, taking away their firearms and defense.
Gun control laws DO NOT affect criminals, because they commit crimes and break the laws.
RESULTS: Shizzy fo Pizzy the gang-banger is in John Q. Public's living room at 2AM pistolwhipping his family, raping his daughter, taking his money, and killing them all before he leaves.
Gun control doesnt work because laws are broken by criminals.
Well Princess. Gordon Freeman thinks your a freakin' idiot. So does Adrian Shepard. Hell, all the Republicans think you're an idiot too. Don't talk about **** you have no clue about. Gun control in the USA is TOO constrictive and needs to be relaxed. The United States banned assault rifles saying that it will reduce crime. The top 10 guns used in violent crime, with the exception of one...are all pistols. Ranked at number 5 is a shotgun, the only long gun on the list. The founding fathers gave us the right to own guns, and required us too in the militia act. Several times in the 40's and 50's...congress reinforced this by ruling that when the founding father's said "Militia" they were in fact talking about the populace and not state and national guards. Somewhere after that era, retards like you took over congress and one or two families started whining about violent crime, even though more people are stabbed then shot every year, the retards in control still banned guns and the gun took the fall. I am a gun owner, and if you want to take away my guns, I'll exorcise my right to defend myself. What America needs is LESS gun control. Why punish the populace for what criminals have done, eh? Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Cars are dangerous, but you don't see me screaming "Oh my God! Oh my God! Holy freaking Jehova! My brother died in a car accident!!! We should ban cars!" I know you're going to say, "How would you feel if someone you knew was killed with a gun". Guess what! My DAD was killed this year in a violent crime. He was SHOT with a .45 Caliber pistol. Several times in his garage by a ********er. So how do you think that makes me feel? That makes me feel really ****ing ****ed off...but it wasn't the gun that killed my dad. It was the ****er shooting it. I'm **** glad I have a gun now, especially in a world where you can be killed in your own ****ing garage. Anti-gun morons, please, for my dad...SHUT THE HELL UP YOU ****ING PANSIES!!!
I do not know about these gunes you speak of, but I will comment on the guns. Cami-lots of people are killed by guns. Firearms make it incredibly easy to murder and kill and maim people. But you can't snap your fingers and make guns disappear. It won't work. Gun control also doesn't work-criminals will find a way (coughprohibitioncough). The bad guys will always be armed-and the better we can fight back, the less they'll do to us. It has been proven time and time again that an armed society is safer than unarmed-compare Kennesaw and Washington. Guns won't go away from the hands of the evil, so the good have to be armed to stop them. Police almost never arrive in time to stop crimes-hey, if they did they wouldn't need to spend all that cash on forscenics(sp?) equipment. As John Lott said-"More guns=Less crime".
I think if nobody in our society had a gun our world would be 10 times better, the problem w/ that is that it's not gonna happen. One person gets a gun and then the domino effect begins to happen. Someone else gets a gune for their safety and in case that other person tries to shoot them. I mean I don't see how we can ever have laws making it illegal for everyone to have guns. I think their are so many deaths because of guns, based on the simple fact that irresponsible people can buy them. But it's hard to say what we can do about that!
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