agreed but you have plenty of folks stabbing each other and hitting each other over the head with a length of pipe. I'd say that weapon culture is pretty well ingrained
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I'm talking when you have the option of not killing them just shooting them in the foot would be enough.
If I don't need to kill them I wouldn't shoot them. Truth is if your being attacked shooting to wound is likely to get you killed. With a pistol there is no fancy TV shit, you can't shoot a gun out of their hands, you aim for the center of the mass and pull till they go down
A gun is not a injury weapon, it is a killing weapon. If you have pulled a fire arm to defend yourself you are going to kill someone, no ifs ands or buts about it.
As to suprising a guy in your home, yes your still justified to shoot to kill, most people (me included) will try to get a surrender first but if the intruder makes a false move I'm giving him a 45. cal love tap
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
England banned civlian gun possesion completely yet when adjusted for population their murder rate is higher
I'd love to see some stats on that. Fact is we have very low gun crime rates, guns are just not a part of our culture, those who do get shot are usually involved in gang-culture. Our police don't ever carry weapons...when a police-officer is killed, or even a civilian it is nation-wide news and reported intensly...for that I am secure in feeling that gun crimes are incredibly isolated here. I sure would feel uncomfortable knowing my neighour kept a weapon. Banning possession stops a culture of weapons being ingrained into the minds of people, especially youths. To be honest we view American gun laws as extremely cowboy-esque and pretty typical of backwards redneck behaviour.
'it's better to have your ministers inside the tent pissing out than outside, pissing in'
Towards the end of the movie when he interviews Charlton Heston, he starts asking him why he believes there is more gun violence in the US than in other countries, and it is not because we have more guns, it is not any of the reasons he gives(can't remember everything).
Charlie Heston accidentally says something about the US having more minorities than other countries, then he quickly tries to backpeddle and the interview is soon over. The best part of Bowling For Columbine was the interview with Marilyn Manson. He made more sense than most of the speakers in the movie (although for the life of me I cannot remember a single thing he said)
~*The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true.
yes, because they have invaded my home. Under colorado's make my day law that's perfectly legal and well within my rights
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or would it be enough to just like shoot them in the leg or foot or something
no, he's invaded my home, he's armed I'm going to put him down and ensure my family's safety.
I ask you a similer question, your corned in an alley what do you do? someone just broke in to your home, what do you do? there's no time for the cops, by the time they get there you'll be raped if you lucky and dead if your not. What do you do?
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Why is there so much more gun violence in the US than in so many other 1st world countries?
England banned civlian gun possesion completely yet when adjusted for population their murder rate is higher
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When was the last time that happened?
little before 1776, when was the last time there was a fire in your school? Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean you don't prepare for it.
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
Originally posted by ampmaster: That's what the second amendment is for. To support the peoples right to populer rebelion against a corrupt goverment
When was the last time that happened?
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But pools and cars kill more people every year with out fail, so why do you need a pool or a car
The pool you certainly don't need. About the car, I think you can answer that question for yourself, we live in the US. Unless you live in a city with public transportation or in a place where you can walk everywhere, you need a car.
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the defense of my life, property and family,
if someone came in to your house, and was not a direct threat to your life(because you caught him/her before they saw you), would you still consider it fair to kill them or would it be enough to just like shoot them in the leg or foot or something and call the cops?
What I was getting at a long time ago about the Michael Moore film, is that he hits on something very powerful-that we live in this culture of fear and violence(if I remember correctly). Towards the end of the movie when he interviews Charlton Heston, he starts asking him why he believes there is more gun violence in the US than in other countries, and it is not because we have more guns, it is not any of the reasons he gives(can't remember everything). There is something to say about that don't you think? Why is there so much more gun violence in the US than in so many other 1st world countries? I am going to try to find a copy of the interview part to post on here.
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time. - E.B.White
ever been involved in a gun battle?nah dont think so.boy you realy dont want to keep that gun
I have a vareity of uses for firearms. The most basic can be found in the bill of rights (Protip: see article 2) Following that, the defense of my life, property and family, hunting, defense of my nation in the event of forgien invasion, procurement of food (I hunt), and finally in the event my nation is turned in to a police state or dictatorship my arms are to bu used in active rebelion against the illegal goverment that has taken over my nation. Also I enjoy shooting firearms. It's something I can enjoy doing and skill I enjoy cultivating.
But pools and cars kill more people every year with out fail, so why do you need a pool or a car? do you want to hurt people? Why not just get a horse? or walk?
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"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
okay good argument thats why I get on here...to think about things and see other peoples opinions...but my question to you is...why as an average person (not a police officer or a soldier fighting in the war) do you need a gun? what use do you have for it?
then dont huh?? thats simple everyone else has guns so they can come shoot the hell outa me but I dont need one to protect myself
Not my problem you don't want a gun to defend yourself. I just don't see whya few people who dislike guns needs to bother the rest of us who like to be able to carry a similer kit to US army infantry
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but your examples w/ media, church, and race...those cant take someones life so they really are irrelavent
Wrong! They are all freedoms guranteed in the US Constitution are they not? And if you don't think that your life can be ruined by the media... *shakes head* and lots of things take away lives. In fact private swimming pools kill something like 5x the number of children that are hurt or killed in accidental discharges of firearms every year. Cars in the United States anually kill more people than gun violence does by an incredibly wide margin. So why the issue with guns? it's a lot safer to have a gun then a pool or car
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
then dont huh?? thats simple everyone else has guns so they can come shoot the hell outa me but I dont need one to protect myself...and I totally understand where your coming from when talking about taking away a freedom but your examples w/ media, church, and race...those cant take someones life so they really are irrelavent...and P.S. they've already controlled what people can say and show on tv
that I shouldn't have to have a gun in order to protect myself.
then don't, just don't try to force the rest of us to lay down arms
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start conrolling who can own a gun.
Alright and while were at it, let's start controling what the media can say on TV or who can go to what church, or what race can go in to what resturant and restroom.
Control one freedom you end up controlling them all.
Sides no ones making bigger more powerful guns hell no one even uses the 50. Cal Sniper Rifle gun wimps get so wroked up about because it's something like $10 a shot to use.
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I think that thats the best thing that we can do right now
More like the worst. Our rights are already being pillaged from us (patriot act any one?) if worst comes to worst (king george or fuher hillery) we ned our guns so we can rise up and shoot the bastards. That's what the second amendment is for. To support the peoples right to populer rebelion against a corrupt goverment
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
My personal opinion is that I shouldn't have to have a gun in order to protect myself. It is sad that our society has come to this. I do not think that guns should be a part of our society but because they are now there's no way to completly get rid of them. Instead of trying to completly get rid of them how bout we stop making bigger and more powerful guns and start conrolling who can own a gun. I think that thats the best thing that we can do right now
Oh trust me I dont plan on using a gun..ever..unless like you said for protection and thats it really. And she was saying that kids get hurt by playing with guns. So obviosly the owner didnt have it put away. Thats why they should get out away...anyways its not argument just an add on to my post.
Oh my gosh there's a message in my cheerios, it says, OOOOOOO
And if we want to be safe around guns don't leave them everywhere like free candy. L
Does your old man do this? neither does any gun owner worth knowing
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Lock em up to where a person old enough that can handle a gun safely and properly can get to them
Someone even your size would have trouble getting in to the standard gun safe
so nothing against your argument in general except peace is an impossible fantasy and some specific points
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
This is where my world peace comes in. Im not a big fan of war. I dont support guns, wich is VERY odd cause I know a lot about them, okay I know about them. And my dad does collects them so hence the know a lot part but anyways. No matter what you do you can't completly remove guns from the world :^(. And I've understood that but even if you do remove guns off this earth people will still find ways. Like a piece of wood and a nail. So if you want to make the world safe you'll have to put us in a padded room cause there is a lot A LOT of things people can come up with. The human race is much stronger then before (here's my ignorence please look away) we ran around with clubs bashing each other's face in. Now, now we have way more. And if we want to be safe around guns don't leave them everywhere like free candy. Lock em up to where a person old enough that can handle a gun safely and properly can get to them. Anyways thats pretty much all I have to say, unless someone wants to doubt me..wich they probably will.
P.S. sorry about the typos I know there are some somewhere in there.
Oh my gosh there's a message in my cheerios, it says, OOOOOOO
If you ask any real gun owner, from me to dragonman, they'll explain they aren't scared but they are ready. It's not that I fear attack. It's that I know we live in a dangerous world where attack is possible so isn't it better to be prepared for an attack then to be caught off guard and loose your life? or the life of those dear to you? Or if president bush or someone decides to become King Blankety the 1st wouldn't you rather be ready to safe guard your freedoms and rebel against tryanny as our ancestors (well at least my ancestors) did in the orgional American revolution?
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
I disagree with you about the MM thing, I don't think he's great, but I think he did hit on something in that movie. The whole theory about how in the US people live in this constant or almost constant state of fear. If not explain how come people constantly are afraid of being attacked, how come people are able to use the whole argument(pro-guns) that they will need it to defend themselves? There's obviously something to be said about this state of fear that we are all kept in. If that were not real, we would not be able to use that argument, it would sound completely irrational. I don't know. I think he hit on something deep with that.
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time. - E.B.White
did you ever see Michael Moore's movie "Bowling for Columbine?"
I actually did see that movie. Quite frankly it was just like his other movies, unmitigated alarmist BS. That guy makes up more information per movie that president bush does per term.
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there should be stronger gun control or should just anyone be able to buy a gun just because?
barring felons and people who are mentally disturbed, yes everyone up to and including your cat should be able to own any firearm they happen to desire regardless of caliber, magazine size, and rate of fire.
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why do you think so many people feel they NEED to have guns?
That's not an question that's very easy to awnser because it's different from person to person. For me I like firearms. Especially military firearms. I enjoy shooting, I enjoy hunting and I enjoy just gabbin about guns. Guns are to me what shoes are to alot of women. As to why I carry a firearm (handgun) it's a harsh world right now and I'd rather have a sidearm and never use it, then need it and not have it. I think alot of folks are similer in think to me about that.
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
so Amp, I know we had this conversation a longgggggggg time ago and you said that most murders and so forth are done with ilegal weapons(I think that was you), but anyway, do you think there should be stronger gun control or should just anyone be able to buy a gun just because? And furthermore, forgetting the part about how it is your right guaranteed in the Constitution, why do you think so many people feel they NEED to have guns? Out of curiosity, did you ever see Michael Moore's movie "Bowling for Columbine?"
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time. - E.B.White
I understand but I still wanna see a lego based beat down
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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