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Picture of Saturnmoth007
Registered: May 03, 2005
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lol im fucking angry and tired man. Smile


"No, this trick won't work...How on earth are you ever going to explain in terms of chemistry and physics so important a biological phenomenon as first love?" - Albert Einstein
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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or f**king legos to kill and maim people.


I would pay to see a lego used as a weapon. That would be awesome to the Nth degree


"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
Picture of Saturnmoth007
Registered: May 03, 2005
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guns are here to stay. You will never get rid of them, and you can't, because no matter what you do the government needs them to keep order because guns can always be obtained illegally. If we didn't have guns, the crime rate would undoubtedly increase, and we'd be using knives or sticks, or rocks, or f**king legos to kill and maim people.


"No, this trick won't work...How on earth are you ever going to explain in terms of chemistry and physics so important a biological phenomenon as first love?" - Albert Einstein
Picture of Tubbymura
Registered: May 04, 2007
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True, true.


Freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2=4 - George Orwell
Picture of RaceDriver205
Registered: December 10, 2005
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Amen! (Except for the commie stuff, and the use of catapults Confused)
Picture of ChaosSplintered
Registered: August 05, 2006
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Firearms are good for the people.
Take my favorite country: Switzerland.

Every citizen is required to serve time in the army, or do mandatory community service. If you were in the army, you get an assault rifle to keep.
A military issued assault rifle.

You'd expect for Switzerland to have massive rampant shootings, and bombings everywhere, right?

Wrong.
Hell, Switzerland didn't even have to fight in World War II.

They built bomb-shelters in the bloody highways, and armed the people.

No one messes with Switzerland!

It's not that guns kill people. It's that people kill people. People aren't being provided for, and there is a natural imbalance. That makes people want to kill people. Poverty, poor and unjust police systems, and an unequal distribution of wealth makes people kill other people.

Not guns.
*With some exceptions; i.e. Charles Manson, Waco, etc.

Remove the guns.
People will just kill each other with knives.
Take the knives.
They use sharpend sticks.
Take the sticks.
They'll use catapults.
That's right. I said Catapults.

People make long range catapults all the time.

To throw pumpkins.

Whose to say they can't just soup that up to drop mortars, or heavy bricks? They're incredibly dangerous weapons. I mean, you could destroy an entire village.

So why aren't you trying to ban the pumpkin throwing catapults?


Cheated the way from fringe to elite. Clique of stylists, rounded illogic skipping a beat to a dead cert. By lheaving charges and bursting the abscess, with a forked toungue, bloated with courage and spewing self-importance. Drop your sights, aim lower, leave umblemished those with real power.
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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its good someone has the firepower to hold off the pinkos who want to "Disarm the Proles". Keep up the good work!


gladly, they can take my guns and other weapons when the pry them from my cold dead hands, but since they hate guns whose gonna shoot me to take them?


"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
Picture of RaceDriver205
Registered: December 10, 2005
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But they preserve that freedom so there you go

Indeed. In china, you won't get your hands on a gun unless your in the army/police. Good on you ampmaster, its good someone has the firepower to hold off the pinkos who want to "Disarm the Proles". Keep up the good work!


Say no to commies!
Picture of Tubbymura
Registered: May 04, 2007
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Even though guns may kill people, it is only the bad people in our society who give guns their bad name. Otherwise, guns are necessary for our own protection, not just for normal citizens, but also for our country's prtection in wars. Its not like we can just run after an enemy of war with a knife or stick or club while they are shooting at us with guns right? The only way we can fight the wrong use of guns is to also use guns.


Freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2=4 - George Orwell
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Registered: February 20, 2007
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Guns do kill people, but so do knifes and car accidents... as for children getting killed because of guns by playing with it and accidentally pulling the trigger, the owner should keep it in a gone safe, they are made for a reason. Guns also play an important role for the innocent as self-defense. It's unfortunate the world is the way it is.


Hate the sin, not the sinner. -Ghandi
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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This is what I do maya


"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
Picture of Maya
Registered: November 27, 2004
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wow amp you've really done your homework...


Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time. - E.B.White
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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And when I said there are lots of countries that don't have this right I was referring to Spain, not nazi Germany


I was just giving other examples of nations who practiced total gun control

To get a gun and a gun liscense (you need the latter to legally purchase the former) you need to be a certain age this ranges from 18-21 and is different by state. There's a variety of liscenses and the cover from Semis(Class 1) to Automatics (Class 3) (class 2 is higher caliber semis and what not) These only require a quick back ground check and a fire arms safety course which sadly a few idiots ignore completely. To purchase your firearm you need yet another background check and your liscense. Now on to carrying your weapon. Again getting a CCP (Concealed Carry Permit) varies in requirements by state and has an age minimum (as far as I know) and requires you to take more advanced concealed carry courses and be registered. It's a pain in the butt process but I have several friends who would be dead right now if not for their carries (short term for a carried handgun)
So in all honesty not all people can get guns. Now there are 230 Million licensed and legal guns in the United States and 99.9% of them have ever been involved in a crime.

The majority of guns you hear about in crimes are either stolen or illegally purchased from stupid people (not actual gun store owners, these are just asses with guns sellin off their collection but can't do it legally for some reason) (false ID used to happen but not with the background check system)
So I see gun bans as an attempt to punish a large number of never done anything wrong, good people who have owned firearms for most of their lives and have only used them for hunting and self-defense.
You really wanna take down gun crime? write your congress critter and tell them to beef up the ATF and Federal Marshals (and send some cash to your local PDs)

any further questions? Also you need to learn more about guns as they actually are. Hell you may find that you actually enjoy them. I would reccemend taking a firearms safety class and seeing if any of your friends w/ guns will take you to do some shooting. If you don't have any friends with firearms go down to your local range and talk to the owner to see if there's any way to get some instruction. Explain that your a first time shooter and don't own your own gun. Also go down to gunstores and talk to the guys behind the counter I'm sure they'd be happy to tell you anything you want to know about firearms.


"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: November 27, 2004
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Ok Amp it is a right, as of now and for the past so many years(don't know exactly), what I was trying to get at is that it shouldn't be a right(in my opinion). And when I said there are lots of countries that don't have this right I was referring to Spain, not nazi Germany. I don't think it's normal that just anyone can get a gun sorry. Since I don't know anything about this, could you explain(if you know) what is required to get a gun license?

and yeah we should ban swimming pools I thinkRazz


Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time. - E.B.White
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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according to our beloved document The US Consitituion that young men like myself swear to fight and die to protect it is a right. (Protip: Check out number 2 on the US Bill of Rights)

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but TODAY they are not what makes us free


But they preserve that freedom so there you go

Here's some more fun info about guns being taken away: As a matter of fact Hub is right. Total gun control is a sign of a repressive goverment. Don't agree? Check out the USSR, Nazi Germany and the majority of nasty dictatorships that have rolled through the world in the modern era. Hell weapons restrictions have been done by repressive and evil goverments for years. The first thing the Japanses did when they took over Okinawa way back when was take away the local Samurai's swords.

The whole point in the 2nd Amendment is so that 1. we can hunt/provide for ourselves and our families 2. can defend ourselves against the wide vareity of slime running around the country and 3. if the goverment of the United States should at any point corrupt it is the duty of the citizens to rise up and throw down that institution and put a new one in it's stead. Repressive Govts fear just that which is why total gun control is at the top of their agendas

also maya what do you think about the fun fact below? or maybe you missed it, here it is again:
Tidbit: did you know that more children die each year during swimming pool related incidents then are killed by accidental discharges of firearms?

why don't we see people protesting in ground swimming pools if they are such a threat to american youth?

Oh and I thought I'd respond to the OP quick.

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but guns make it so much easier for people. A lot of children get hurt just because they are playing with a gun that is someone elses, and they just found it because someone left it sitting there


1. Actually it's easier to kill a person with a knife than a gun. With a handgun you actually need to be some what compitent with it to do damage were-eras a 10 year old who's never held a knife before in his life can gut you like a professional knife fighter
2. see the swimming pool thing above
3. See now your blaming fire arms for stupid people. If that parent 1. took better care of that firearm and 2. taught their children weapons safety and what not then it wouldn't be a problem and that child would still be alive but thanks to the inhuman fear of a tool that our mass media and idiot liberals (no offense maya your quite intelligent) have placed in to the hearts of the populace.

Remember kids if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns


"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: November 27, 2004
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that's bullshit. In not every country can just anyone possess a gun. Just because in the US you can don't make it into this RIGHT. That's disgusting.


Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time. - E.B.White
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Registered: November 27, 2003
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Don't even try to IMAGINE the world without the right to bear arms. There are none in my home, so I can't speak personal, but the restriction of arms is a mark of a repressive government.


Just because nobody understands you, that doesn't mean you're artistic.
Picture of Maya
Registered: November 27, 2004
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if it were not for firearms we would not be free men and women today.

If it were not for...ok. but TODAY they are not what makes us free. And if they are what a sad sad country we are if our freedom is based solely on our right to have guns.


Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time. - E.B.White
Picture of LoveTheRainbow
Registered: October 28, 2005
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I like squirt guns.


draft beer not soldiers...
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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educate the masses on gun safety? keep your guns locked up? do anything a sane reasponsible gun owner would do

and as to Saturnmoth's point about guns being evil.
There is no inherant "wrongness" in any item in our society (except in machines of torture) a gun like a knife or a bow or a car is a tool and as such has no inherant moral properties. A tool's moral standing is based on the wielder of such. For example a hammer in the hands of a craftsman or handyman is just that a constructive item that does good for people. However on the hands of the wrong people it is a weapon of tormet and injury

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I personally feel more unsafe if there's a gun in the house than if there isn't, but that's just me.


That's your choice but I have several friends who would not be alive right now if it weren't for their home defense weapons. and if you take proper precautions (which many idiots don't) their is no threat to you or yours just those who would do you harm.

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what the fuck guns are what make us free


correct in some sense. if it were not for firearms we would not be free men and women today.

Tidbit: did you know that more children die each year during swimming pool related incidents then are killed by accidental discharges of firearms?

why don't we see people protesting in ground swimming pools if they are such a threat to american youth?


"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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