a "soul" is a ridiculous concept. Animals are much better to test on than humans. All you animal lovers should donate yourselves if your so damn concerned.

but all living things, at least in my mind, have spirits. haven't you guys seen all dogs go to heaven? jeeze! haha

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And if you harm an animal, it is no worse than harming a child.

In my personal opinion, animals are better than humans. Take dogs, for instance: they're loyal, compassionate, and incredibly intelligent.

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Please explain the rationale behind that, cause i'm at a loss

Seriously though, How can you possibly say that harming an animal is no worse than harming a child? Yes, if your just wantonly killing/maiming for no purpose (ie. shooting the neighbors pets "cause it's fun"). But otherwise, a child is completely different from virtually all animals in both potential and current abilities.

And what really gets me burning is the "animals are better than humans?" I constantly see dogs used as an example. Think about it, a human can be much more compassionate, more loyal and (most defintely) more intelligent. And you again fail to realize that dogs aren't exactly all sugar and spice. Yes, they are when they're trained house pets who are kept warm and happy, not to mentioned most of thier "human" behavior is conditioned or perceived. Humans act the same in the same situation. But take away that, and what you get is a primitive predator who has an instictual predispotion to forming a pack, and reletively mild intelligence.

animals have souls ya know.and feelings too.
if u hit a dog with a stick more than once, next time u want him to come and play with u, do u think he'll come? i don't think so!

If humans have souls, other animals do, as well.

And if you harm an animal, it is no worse than harming a child.

In my personal opinion, animals are better than humans. Take dogs, for instance: they're loyal, compassionate, and incredibly intelligent.

I'm not an extremist like your PETA members, but I do believe that animals should be treated with respect, as people treat others.

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Also, human life is more valuable than animal life because we are made in the image of God and humans have souls and animals do not.

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How do you know animals have no souls? I don't agree that a human life is more valuable than a animal's life. It's equal for me.

Bye n have a nice day

well genisis would have you beleiving that they were placed her for us... but i dont believe that.

most labratories will test the **** out of things on cells and tissues as best they can before using it on the animals to ensure they are safe. they need to test products and drugs on organisms similar to us with many systems. i still don't like it but otherwise the tests would be performed on humans.

actually alot of test are done on humans today, like in genetics, everything is new. the real heavy stuff in genetics can't be tried out on humans because, obviously, people would have a fit. and it is a worthy science, trust me.

i think it should be minimized as much as possible, but then you probably eat beef which are raised to die horrible deaths...

some science is worth the lives it takes. there are some things i would give my life for, many scientist in the past have died expirimenting on themselves.

Yeah, I think animal cruelty is wrong and people should be charged for it, but it's not the same as harming another human being. A person's soul is the part of him that lives forever, whether it be in Heaven or in hell. Animals do not have souls and thus do not live eternally.

Silver- you see, the problem here is that I think your blinding yourself to certain parts of animal life. You mention that since humans kill, maime, and destroy we are the least liekly to have souls. However, you also don't explain that animals also kill, maim, and destroy. The Cat purring in your lap is capable of tearing other creatures apart. The dog capable fighting and killing it's own species. The only thing that separates humans from animals (and they are separate) is our superior intelligence and level of consciousness. Even other primates or other high-intelligence/high consciousness species do not have the facilites to create thier own civilzation, they're own cultures or societies.

It is this that separates us. And I ask you this: why do we not have the right to use animals as a rescource? All animals are are lower and slightly diversified version of us.
And you fail aslo to realize that when it really comes down to it, we are part of nature, our consciousness is part of nature. Therefore, all of our actions are part of the natural system. We're just more advanced.
Think about it, if you give a lion a rifle and the intelligence/ability to use it, what is it going to do with it?

It's going to kill itself a hell of a lot of antilope.

Because we're all driven by the same thing: The need to expand, perserve, and strengthen our own species. So all we're doing is just following the plan.

i cannot believe that humans are any more likely to have souls than animals. they are just as capable as feeling love and pain and fear and joy as humans are. what animals have you known, iluvjp? and how can you believe that humans, who have destroyed this earth and slipped away from almost everything that is good and natural, who have enslaved, abused, tortured, and exploited our fellow creatures, how can you believe that humans have souls and animals don't? if any one species doesn't have souls, i am thinking it's humans.

i cannot believe that my dog did not have a soul, that my cats do not have souls, or that the birds who live in the trees around my house and feed their young do not have souls, any more than i can believe that i and my parents and my friends do not have souls.

have you ever seen a mountain lion in a much-too-small enclosure in a zoo? have you ever had a cat wait up for you as you worked late into the night and then, when you finally fell into bed at 2 a.m., lie purring on your stomach as you drifted asleep? have you ever seen the pure joy in your dog's face as he raced towards you after a week apart, or watched wild ponies graze peacefully on an island? because i have, and i cannot believe that none of these creatures have souls.

but maybe we should clear up our definition of souls. you brought it up, so i will let you define it.

~silver spirit

i was wondering about that...

~silver spirit

Also, human life is more valuable than animal life because we are made in the image of God and humans have souls and animals do not.

Oh, sorry! I meant to say AREN'T harmed. My mistake.

but, shmeow, why is it okay for millions of animals to suffer and die for humans? you said that it would save millions of lives, but what makes human life more valuable than animal life?

and iluvjp, why is it "fine" if animals are harmed? in my opinion, that's just cruel.

~silver spirit

As long as the animals are harmed, it is fine. But if you wanna use a rat in a science lab, go ahead.

I agree that it is wrong to use animals only for cosmetics, but I dissagree in using it for science. I think lab animals should be treated better, but some animals dieing could help find a cure for HIV or AIDS or cancer and save millions of lives. Also, it is not pointless because some species of animals are very similar to humans and doing reserch can help learn about diseases simaler to both species. In other words, I am undecided.