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Registered: February 22, 2002
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The people who start communism ARE poor. Every country that tunred communists was poor before it became communists. The lower classes, in every communist case, simply became angry at the high classes for hoving more money than them. The lower classes were mad that the people who worked harder than them, and governed them, had more money. Communism is simply away for the poor to steal hard earned money from the rich people. That is a horrible way to base the economy and beliefes of a country off of. The leaders of the communists country are rich because they have stlen from their peasants (This is true in every communists country.). Capitalism is by far the best economic method in the world and anything that contradicts it is an awful thing. Basing a countries entire beliefs and government system on stealing from the rich, is that a good country? (I will not even dignify that question with a response.).
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Registered: January 16, 2002
Posts: 559
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The people that start communist governemts are not poor. Look at the leaders of cuba and past leaders or the Russia (then SU). The thing with communist governments is that they do not have the money or consumers to make money. Communism ensures that everyone gets money and then can spend money. Communism usually (though out history) has led to another type of government. Some people would abuse the system and work less, but they can be punished for it. No one person would work "harder" they work the same and get paid the same ammount. I do not like that some people in America can work their tails off and not make as much money as some people that sit on their tail. Becasue you have more money does not give you the right to take over. I would think most people would prefer a communist government over a totallitarian dictatorship.
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Registered: February 22, 2002
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It is not biased, in anyway, to say that in communism the poor want to steal from the rich. They want to steal from the rich because they chose not to work hard enough to acumulate wealth. Sure, the rich abuse and use the people, but that is because it is human nature. People need to be ruled, they have a primitave urge to be governend. Sinc ehte government isn't willing to a good job ruling its people, the rich take over.
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Registered: January 16, 2002
Posts: 559
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Just saying that the poor want to take from the rich is a little biased in itself. In most countries that have or had communism as a form of government, there have been war famines or droughts and everyone is poor. The country is running out of money or cannot take in any more money. THe few people that do have money (old leaders, monopolies...) use and abuse the people. plus I have problems with people saying things are 'evil'. I hate that word. Most things are not eveil and have nothing to do with evil (i.e. axis of evil). Evil through out history has been of the unknown.
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Registered: January 16, 2002
Posts: 559
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Communism is niether good nor bad. I do not like people that think communism is bad for the people. Though there are not any pure communist counries, there are some that try. In some places, there are just no conditions for democracy (because war famine drouts...) ti exist. Communism is a way to rebuild a country but in the real world there are people that abuse it. In a communist community they do choose a lot of your choices but they do not just choose random things. I do not know if any of you have read the book "The Giver" but it has a pure communist community. Where there jobs are chosen by people who have watched them grow up and know what they like/dislike. Everyone gets the same ammount of everything. In that perfect community where they can not see color and is sepperated from hte rest of hte world communism works. In other words communism is not the problem, it is the people behind it. By saying that communism is conforming, everywhere should have a democracy gov. you are being a little hypocritical. Every country does not fit in a democratic model and have to have other problems fixed first.
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Registered: November 01, 2001
Posts: 390
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I mean, really. What is it? (Not like I need to know, really...rhetorical Q there) If everyone was natured like Jesus, i.e., loved his or her brethren of all nationalities and social classes, kept the faith (literally), and cared for everyone as if each person was special to him or her, then communism would work. The reason we associate it with EVIL in our collective conscious is because human nature turned an originally beautiful idea (everyone having the same opportunities and nobody beating up on anybody) into a horrible weapon to use on people. They used the system to keep poor people poor and wealthy people wealthy instead of keeping everyone on the same level of wealth. Humans cannot and will not operate under that sort of system well because, well, we sin. We're human; that's our definition. We're not perfect, and that sort of system calls for perfect people to live within it. I can see by some of the earlier posts that many of you would strongly disagree with me. Just consider what I have said, OK? Peace (really!) Birdy 
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Registered: February 26, 2002
Posts: 14
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I disagree with marine16, bushsupporter, and acerRacer. Communism, in theory, is probably the best economic system ever. I've read a few books on it and while it never has worked (and probably never will) it was a good idea. But just that. An idea. Countries that claimed to be Communist, such as the ones mentioned (Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea, China) arn't even Communist. They give communism a bad name. The leaders of those countries arn't equal with the everyday citizen. They make a mockery of what Karl Marx envisioned. People who assume that all communism is evil should take a look at their beliefs again after doing some further research about the actual ideals of Communism. Just remember that people like Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Castro arn't communists. They're dictators.
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Registered: September 19, 2001
Posts: 2202
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Marine16's post almost brought tears to my eyes. He is completely right in everything that he said. I don't wnat the government to tell me what I do for a living, how much money I can make, how I can spend it, and what I should do when I am not working(probably 6 hours out of the day). It is wrong and yes, pure evil. "Freedom is not Free."-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.
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Registered: February 22, 2002
Posts: 2066
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Communism is nothing but pure evil. A society were everyone is the same on the social scale and a workforce that leaves no room for imporvement is a horrible thing. Communism is way for the poor to steal from the rich. This goes against everything America stands for. People should be able to make as much money as the want and should be able to go as high as they want, in their job, based on merit. If anyone favors communism I ask them, how would you like the gov. to tell you your job? To tell you what food you can buy? To tell you what property you can own? To tell you how much you can make at your "job"? How would you like the government telling you what to do in every aspect of your life? I wouldn't and any true American wouldn't either.
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Registered: February 09, 2002
Posts: 204
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Im gonna hafta go with the answer of: Pure evil. Communism supposedly works on paper, but could never, ever work in real life. No offense, but the economic theories of communism are just bad. It is basically the idea of the poor wanting to be equal with the higher economic classes without doing any work to actually try and better themselves. But that isnt the "main" reason why it is evil.. Here it is. Communism claims that it is a system that is made for the people. First off, in its pure form, it makes everyone an equal and forces them to conform. Conforming is just evil...and it ignores the individual. In communism...more time was spent doing what "they" wanted you to do, and not what is in your own best interests. And in the societies that practiced it (primarily USSR), if you went against "them" you were found dead the next day, and then celebrated as a "comrade that died for the cause." Total BS. The total lack of respect for human nature is what makes it so horrible. Here is my view: Capitalism is the only moral economic system and the only system that is consistant with individual rights and a free society. In a capitalistic society you are allowed to pursue what you want to pursue and strive as high as you would like. There are no restrictions put on your freedoms nor your individuality. An economic system was never meant to have limits. Thank you for your time. Acer "I wonder, for it is hard for me to conceive how men who knew the word 'I,' could give it up and not know what they lost." -Anthem, by Ayn Rand
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Registered: February 18, 2002
Posts: 22
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Redjill You said it yourself, communism is an ideology. This is very true, becasue the principles of the communist vision forget about 1 thing... human nature. As soon a someone takes over, they will (for the most part) act with a bias towards their own interests, as opposed to the good of the people. As a grass-roots movement, communism is nothing more than the desire of the poor to be the social and financial equal of the rich without needing to better themselves in any way. As soon as you are more capable, better educated, and harder-working than someone else, you dont want to live in the same size house, drive the same style car and eat the same food as them. Communism has never succeded. Countries that claim to be communist are nothing more than military dictatorships with a pretty name. Communism isnt evil (and outside of the fact that it aims to eliminate religion, it is close to how christians are taught to live with each other), it just doesnt work, and it was never really that good of an idea.
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