Communism isn't evil. Its just a form of government that doesn't work.

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communism was created as an atheistic government.they teach their kids that god is not real and that we are here because of evolution.they even make mothers-to-be have abortions if they have their "quota" of kids to me its just wrong.communism is plain satanism. sorry if i offend anybody but its the truth.how can anybody follow a government that is pure evil?

communism isn't evil, it has been portrayed to you that way because your government bombarded your nation with propoganda in order to make the citizens have a nagative view of communism, because it so happened Americas enemy was communist.

The lack of religion in communism is because in a class-less society where all are equal people do not need religion to turn to because of their harsh exploited lifestyle as may happen in capitalism, although i do not lend myself to this theory, it is easy to see why religion is banned in strong comunist societies, afterall religion is useless, humans do not derrive their morals from god, they derrive good as the benevolent set of ideas that it is.

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Hilary Clinton is wanting to turn the U.S.A. into a Communist nation.

Communism opposes individual propriety. I seriously doubt that the junior Senator from New York wants to make that sacrifice. She isnt great but when you make a comment like that it makes us think that you don't understand various ideals assoctiated with governmental theories.

You need to back up a statement with supporting evidence and logic. if you don't you will just be saying random things that have no weight with anybody this side of reactionary.

communism does not force abortions....China forces abortions, and that is because China's population is too big

Russia never forced abortions



Marx never wrote about forcing abortions



people you can't use The USSR or China as examples about how communism is evil...communism was not responsioble for the evils that those countries performed, the rulers were responsible.

we have never in fact witnessed a true communist state, so I urge all of you to stop bashing Communism unless you have something to say about COMMUNISM as in Mraxism- Socialism...as in READ his writings, and comment on that

Hilary Clinton is wanting to turn the U.S.A. into a Communist nation.
A lot of peopl don't know that, that is what is going to happen. The U.S.A. will be turn into a communist nation oneday.
It's got to happen, the way the world is going.
I mean, the U.S.A. has went from begining a nation that was great to a nation that is not.
This nation can't be saved.
The United States of America has turn it's back on God and that is why all this stuff is happening. God gave the U.S.A. a chance to repent and come to Him, but the U.S. didn't so as a Nation we can't be saved.
I'm sorry if I offened anyone, but I'm just speaking the truth and no one has to believe me.

communism was created as an atheistic government.they teach their kids that god is not real and that we are here because of evolution.they even make mothers-to-be have abortions if they have their "quota" of kids to me its just wrong.communism is plain satanism. sorry if i offend anybody but its the truth.how can anybody follow a government that is pure evil?

Communism didn't work in the USSR, but socialism seems to be working amazingly well in western Europe because it's more moderate. In the end, capitalism always outperformed communism because the market is always so much more qualified at deciding how many of each product we will buy.

However, as we saw in the 19th century, pure capitalism was just as effective as pure communism. We need the government to provide some restriction to discourage monopolies, thus encouraging entrepreneurship.

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A communist system would be more efficient economically, that's why it seems innately better to me. An efficient communist system would be able to mass produce and distribute a variety of products...that doesn't seem like an unreasonable thing to accomplish.

Production is not the sole measure of an economic system. And the price paid in personal freedoms and government checks and balances is too high to make socialism a "good" system of government. And this is exactly the case wit Cuba. It's economy can run fine under a socialist system, but it's unessecary and stupid, because if an economy can work under socialism, it can do to same under a free market system. The difference is freedom and civil liberties.

the reason Cuba is better off now is not neccessarily because of what they are doing right. Under the Baqtista Government before Castro, Che and friends came through Cuba was a mess.

It is in places where everyone is por and treated badly that communism flourishes because, it may not be great, but it is better than what they have at the moment.

The average joe farmer who supports communist revolution is a poor rural nobody who does not know anything about government and has never taken an economics class. all he hears is "everyone will be equal"

the reason so many americans scapegoat communism is because our mindset is not that of the rural opressed farmer in some small poor country.

but it all comes down to the same thing again. If Marxism-Socialism worked, it would be great, BUT it doesnt, or hasnt yet at least.

but then again who knows, if a country actually decides to be COMMUNIST and help the people, and not a DICTATORSHIP we may see some interesting things.

After Cuba's switch to a more communist ideology, it did much better economically, the biggest problem came later with our embargo and the economic collapse of the Soviet Union, which it pretty much depended on because of our embargo on Cuba and any countries trading with Cuba. I know it's basically a socialist dictatorship...but still it shares a history and important characteristics with communism. All this and from what I know Cuba is the leading country in Latin-America education wise, I'm pretty sure the literacy level is higher than it is here for some ages.

Amusing sidenote: My IB History of The Americas class considered raising money and going to Cuba as an end of the year field/study trip, since our program ends about three weeks before the rest of the schoolyear. My teacher had done tons of work in order to obtain permission from the U.S. government to go as a guide---which would have allowed us to go if we were over 18 and doing so through an education-based medium. Well she got a two year permit, went there once...and then the president pledged to see Castro fall from power, the Bush administration passed a law repealing all visas to Cuba, and we couldn't go. How stupid is that.

A communist system would be more efficient economically, that's why it seems innately better to me. An efficient communist system would be able to mass produce and distribute a variety of products...that doesn't seem like an unreasonable thing to accomplish. Maybe it's just not the thing to expect an impoverished country coming out of revolution or war to be able to achieve immediately.

Those countries are not communisitic, and are not progressing towards communism. They're state-run socialisms (and a particularly opressive version of it).

And Cuba is not "succeeding":
http://www.freedomhouse.org/research/freeworld/2004/countryratings/cuba.htm

North Korea is one of the most empoverished and shut off nations on the planet.

And China is still home to extreme repression, despite westernization of it's economy.

If anything, socialist countries are becoming more capitalistic, not communistic. Marxism has failed repeatedly, and the efforts to implement his policies have killed tens of millions.

I'd like to hear why communism is "inately" better than capitalism? In one situation, you have total freedom economically, and no garuntees for equality, in the other, you doom humanity to mediocrity for the sake of equality.
Obviously overall humanity will have to find a new economic system, and trying to revive or prop up ones that were devised a century and a half ago or longer is a bad, bad place to start.

Communism worked for Cuba..and I'm not sure how well North Korea is doing economically, but it demonstrates it's a feasible method of running a country. I know China is becoming more capitalist...but communism does not demand crazy Mao-esque behavior, and it is still a communist nation that is succeeding, so I'm not so quick to completely rule the entire ideology out, especially since it seems innately better than capitalism.

The only level that communism HAS worked on is the level of a handful of families. And that's because they were totally committed to the idea, and even then those farms usually failed or broke up. Where HAS Communism worked? Or are you talking about Socialism? In order for Communism to work on a global scale, you would need to conquor the current power systems, dismantle pretty much every government on the planet. Then you'd set up your own GLOBAL system that's goal is to totally displace everybody, break down cultures, and resocialize generations of people to work in the commune systems. And you're still not done: Now you need to dismantle the power structure, which by now will have become beurocratic and well entrenched in peoples lives, and hope this goes smoothly and doesn't screw anything up. Short of the subjegation of the human race by computers or Aliens, I don't see anything like that happening ever.

And as for Socialism, I think the idea of having a governmentaly implemented system won't work for reasons I've laid out in previous posts. Where it MIGHT work is on the corporation or company level. There the workers would actually control the means of thier living through equal shares and elections. And if they didn't like the system, or if the system broke down, they could find a job or rally fellow employees to change it.

Whoooooooooooooooo.

This is a topic that has been so thouroughly discussed by politicians, philosophers, ecomonists, all over the world for the last century.


I think it's extremely narrow-minded to say "communism can't work", because on certain scales and in some examples, it has. I can't believe some people can't separate example from reality..."The USSR collapsed and Mao was a meanie...therefore, communism can NEVER work". That's annoying, but essentially how tons and tons of people who oppose it think.

Communism is a bad idea.
Even if it did work(which is almost impossible because of greedy people, capitalism etc.)it would be taking away our independence, our individuality, our property and a lot of other things we have worked for, it would also be unfair to the people who worked hard to get what they want.

communsim is definitly a good idea done wrong, while the thoery itself is still imperfect with a few changes it wouyld work but only in thoery because the greed of all men and women in the world kills it.3 things make it impossible for communism to work those are Religion,Capitalism,and Greed. the communsit government is supposed to remove itself gradually out of the picture. but in the case of russia and china and all the others the leaders used it as a way to gain absolute power and destroy what was orignally intended.

basically we have all realized that people are too much of *******s to keep a marxist-socialist system afloat.

communism is not evil, people are.

Something that is perfect in theory would result in a perfect government.

Communism is not perfect in theory.

Is the abolition of private property a perfect idea.

Is that what you want no private property.

The abolition of individuality and freedom, is this a perfect idea, is this what you want?

Communism abolishes all religion and morality, sounds even more perfect, doesnt it.

1. Abolition of property and application of all
all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax

3. Abolition of all right of inheritance

4. Confiscation of the property of all
property of emigrants and rebels

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the
state, by means of a national bank with
state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralization of the means of communication
and transportin the hands of the state.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of
production owned by the state; the bringing
into cultivation of waste lands, and the
improvement of the soil generally in
accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal liability of all to labour.
Establishment of industrial armies,
especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with
manufacturing industries; gradual
abolition to the distinction between
town and country, by a more equable
distribution of the population over
the country.

10. Free education for all children in public
schools. Abolition of childrens factory
labour in its present form. Combination
of education with industrial production.
etc.

I am quoting text from the communist manifesto.

I see some very major flaws in this "perfect theory", One its not a theory, its what the communists want to enforce on the whole world population. Its is there form of government they want to implement on us.

Another major flaw in this "perfect theory" is it sterotypes the rich as exploiting the poor, as reducing the family to mere money relations.

It may be true in some instances but you cannot stereotype all who have achieved wealth.

Marx stereotypes the "Bourgeoise", stereotyping is bad, is not perfect hence Marx's communist theory is built on imperfect ideas, hence its complete failure and millions dead.

Paradox

I am in total agreement with you except for one part: That communism was never a good idea. The rest of what you said is exactly what i've been trying to tell people for years now, that communism the idea is not in itself an evil plan for regime, but rather that plain human nature takes it and inevitably twists it for personal gain. In the event a communsit revolution does succeed, the instigators always fail to proceed to the second step, that being the removal of the inital leader and his or her replacement with an elected offical or group of officials who will work for the good of the people and be on a level with them.

The only so called "Communist States" ( in itself an oxymoron since the removal of states is a primary goal of Communism) have been totalitarian, fascist, dictatorial regimes parading under the name of an ideal that appeals to the masses, and has been dragged through the dirt.

However, i believe that communism is a viable option. I do not advocate the immediate overthrow of the American government by force, as a true communist i suppose might, but rather the slow integration of communism into america until people are ready to make the concept a conceivable plan for a total government.

If you look at our current system, you will see that many of our everyday lives have hints of communism about them. Social Security for instance. Also, all the reforms made by President roosevelt after the depression, got this country started again, and they practically scream Communist ideals at people.

The point i guess i'm trying to make here is that communism is not an implement of satan, or a bad idea that will never work. But rather, it is a wonderful idea created by men with an amazing vision, and the only failure inherent to communism is the failure of men too weak and greedy to hold to communist ideals and who have, sadly, perverted and twisted the idea of communism to the common mind.

Communism may be a utopian ideology, but then so is the idea of religon and the attainment of the afterlife. both are wonderful ideas proposed by well meaning people, both have at times caused the spilling of blood, both have been at times misunderstood, and both are goals that are worth working towards, fighting for, and indeed dying for.

"In a higher phase of communist society... only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be fully left behind and society inscribe on its banners: from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."

Karl Marx

but although communism has never been achieved in todays siociety it has done wonders for countries as a state.