good idea gone wrong. Humans are not able to keep such a government because it is human tendency to be ruthless and greedy.

True communism the thoery is a wonderful idea and the perfect society, however becuase of greed, and also the existence of capitalism and religion it can never work. because all people must be the same not worship different gods, or have different views, in order for it to work there would need to be a slow a steady removal of the government from power.

I don't know, I think that in some ways I'm a bit communist. My sort of boyfriend is communist. I don't know, I've honestly never really studied much about it.

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Originally posted by Ipperwash:

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Communism in theory : Perfect.
Communism in Practice : It just doesn't work.

I don't know about the rest of you, but to me this seems to be the answer everyone gives to why communism doesn't work, how about some hard facts?

Communism works not because

-people are greedy and will usurp the government
-people are powergrasping, and will not let the goernment die after a pure communism is achieved
-a garbage collector would make as much as a surgeon, is that fair?
-it is impossible to have all aspects of industry controlled by the government and not have a dirth of goods
-you have to have the entire world be communistic for communism to be achieved.
-communisms are unstable, and fall easily into the hands of dictators.
-only poor nations solicite for communism-ie, people take over who know nothing of how to run a nation
-people are individualistic by nature, so:
a.) it is hard to make the mass work collectively
b.) it is hard to keep an elitist government official/military class from forming
c.) the arts are censored-bad idea for the cultural growth of a society.
-in Communism, people get payed no matter what. So you have factories and farms not working to their capacity.
-the enviornment suffers dramaticly, because the government is too busy providing to care about anything else, until children begin to be born without left arms.

here are some examples.

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Communism in theory : Perfect.
Communism in Practice : It just doesn't work.

I don't know about the rest of you, but to me this seems to be the answer everyone gives to why communism doesn't work, how about some hard facts?

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Originally posted by Helios:
Only a short one from em today.
Communism in theory : Perfect.
Communism in Practice : It just doesn't work.
Goodnight.

I agree.

The main problem is this: Humans like power. They desire it. They want it. Many will do anything to get it. With Communism (the theory, not how it is practiced), there is complete equality with no one in power. The reason it does not work is because humans want power. Eventually someone "rebels" in the sense that they find a way to gain power and once they have it, they don't let go, and it's easy for them to rule because no one knows what hit them. "Weren't we all supposed to be equal?" They use many techniques (such as the ones the used in Animal Farm) to convince citizens that this is the right way to go. But Communism doesn't work when there is a strong and powerful leader. Lots of terrible things occur, as shown throughout history.

And there will always be a leader whether he be there by force or by elections.

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Only a short one from em today.
Communism in theory : Perfect.
Communism in Practice : It just doesn't work.
Goodnight.

I concur

Has anybody here heard about World Social Forum . If you havent then read up.

Only a short one from em today.
Communism in theory : Perfect.
Communism in Practice : It just doesn't work.
Goodnight.

I think commnism is good...to an extent. I like the idea of equality in general, but it could cause conflict for many. As an aspiring politician or possilby lawyer, I don't like the idea of getting paid the same as a custodian or a teacher. Not to out the teachers of our country on the same level as the custodians.

When you tihnk about it, we're all on the same level. We are all humans, however, I still have my questions about Mr. Bush .

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russians came to America and were dum founded at the sheer quantitiy and variety of a simple loaf of bread as where in Russia people stood in line for bread. a single loaf of bread.

of course they were! dum founded! stalin was not a socialist.. he was an authoritarian dictator... nothing more... nothing less. people use him as an example to condemn communism and socialism. Especially right-wing fanatics.

Republicans always need someone tied down to the whipping post... women.. communists.. socialists... marxists... democrats... gays and lesbians.... find real reasons to condemn the left.

hate begets hate
war begets more war

The only vote you ever waste is a vote for someone you don't believe in

[/bush]

Marx was a seminal thinker, but not right by any means. I be;ieve in the socialist ideal, but not he way Marx and others thought of going about it.

You cannot stop oppression and misery without first changing the patterns of thought that create them in the first place. Communism failed on the world stage because the men behind it all had the same basic motivations as any capitalist.

State communism, in the true Marxist sense, has never really been achieved, as Marx himself stipulated that the state should only serve to maintain order during the transitionary period to complete comunism, finally leaving all power in those who actually produce the wealth. In today's age for a nation to survive, however, there must be some centralized power structure to regulate trade with forun countries and, of course, to be able to draw from the country's resources as a whole in times of war - namely, the cold war.

There is no communism without socialism.

Actually, communism wasn't such a bad idea. It's when you add the Socialism and the wrong people to the mix.Then you've got something that the world can complain about and be afraid of(ie the Cold War)

I'm not saying Communism was good for the Russian people, what I'm saying is American style capitalist democracy does not fly in Russia.

and yet the people were living in squaler stalin killed 40 + million people.
russians came to America and were dum founded at the sheer quantitiy and variety of a simple loaf of bread as where in Russia people stood in line for bread. a single loaf of bread.

Do you know what happened in Russia after Communism fell? It devolved into Corporate backe Government full of organized Crime. Thanks to Putin, the Corporations have been driven out of politics (he made an example of the Yukos chief). Russians need a strong ahnded government, its the only thing that seems to work...

do you know nothing of what we found in Russia after the soviets fell?! read up on it before you sound shocked that i dare attack the "enivronmentally pristine" theory of communism.

 hazardous to teh environment 

WTF??? Communism as a theory is just the public ownership of the means of production so that there is no hierarchy taking advantage of the masses. It is a really good theory but it has never, and will never exist. The fact of human nature is that we need leadership and government which mean hierarchy. I like the idea of everyone being equal and I really hope we as a democracy are getting closer in terms of gender and racial strtification but we will never see economic equality.