is that so? the American Pilgrims adopted a communal ownership of land and property and as a result, most starved to death. this was a problem with nearly every communist outnry with collectevised agriculture.
this is explains why they starved even though they had plentiful stock of game, fish, fruits, nuts et cetera.

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uhuh then explain to me that failures of Jamestown and Plymouth with which the Pilgrims and explorers almost died out?

That wasn't a faliure due to communism though. That was because of mostly weather related activities.

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Communism works in a village or any other very small society but any larger and it fails.

uhuh then explain to me that failures of Jamestown and Plymouth with which the Pilgrims and explorers almost died out?

Communism works in a village or any other very small society but any larger and it fails.

It looks real good on paper but its terrible for society...politically, economically, it just is not a fair and just system

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And after all,the theory of Communism helps to keep a big country of large population in order;it also helps sustainbale development.Take my country for instance,if the major trend in China is individuality,then we'll probably eat up the world in the way Americans consume 1/3 of world resources every year.

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China is becoming incresingly more capitalist and open it's economy up and they are growing faster than the US. It is only a matter of time before thier quasi-communist government falls.

Renumeration based on need is morally wrong. It forces people to work for other without greater reward. It makes me sick.

Now that I have cleand up the vomit from my computer, I will continue. If China were to use the resources that the US does they would produce and have the production that the US does. Using resources equates to production. It doesn't just come to the US and then stay here. I wish China could compete on a global scale in a capitalist democracy, but until they change from their communism, they will not and cannot.

I believe Bushwhateverish is just some sort of pervert adult using one of those 'prank' online things, you know; the ones where you type something and it makes it into "a 12 year old's" typing language?

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Originally posted by x0BuShRoKs0x: IM A GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DUH

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A stupid one. On every post of yours that I have read, you insist that whatever Bush says must be correct. You shouldn't formulate a opinion based what someone whom you don't even know thinks. You should research the issue for yourself and then comment on with factual evidence to prove your point.

Sorry for going off topic. I couldn't resist. Anyways, I feel that in theory communism is a interesting idea. It would work in a perfect world. However, our planet is not a perfect world--far from it. For communism to work, people need to be non-competitive. They need to accept the "rules" of communism and understand what they are sacrificing for the good of society as a whole. However, it is human nature to compete and get ahead in life, so unless we are asking humans not to be humans, communism will not work

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Originally posted by Barkid:
I am not extremely well informed or versed on the theory of communism, but from what I've heard it is basically that everyone is to do a job for society and that everyone gets equal pay and whatnot. The only problem I see with this is, whom makes the decisions of whom does what? Isn't that body at a bit of an advantage over the common people? Whom decides who forms that body? If someone could post the basic tenets and operations of communism perhaps I could make a better informed judgment, as I am not familiar with Marx.

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Good questions,the answer is the solutions so far have failed,which is one of the reasons why people are convinced that Communism can't be achieved.

I live here where every student learns about Marxism,whilst no one bothers to really study it.However,I was only taught the basic theory of Marxism,without specific arrangement in an actual Communism society.

First off,the theory itself focuses on the capability of production,rather than equal supply without condition.
In short,the theory is based on the idea to produce enough for all.Equal pay,is a way of practice,not a motivation.

In history,none of the Communism countries and Socialism countries,existing or not,had the resources and productivity to afford the system.
Theoretically,that's exactly why the system failed.

The following is just what I think.

In a society that can afford Communism,the problem of lack of competitive members(because no one has to work to make a living)is solved,and a fair government is in charge(another reason why it seems so impossible),we can conclude that the society could as well support the education and variety of interests of children,the process of employing workers of all kind might remain basically the way it is today.Tough a different precedure,maybe voting,would be performed to decide whether this person fits the job.

So there will still be 'leaders',under the name of 'serving the people',they do not do actual work.I think they would be included in the intellectuals of the system,along with those scientists and experts of all fields.

Actually,this went twisted in every single Communism systems ever existed.

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Originally posted by geminiangel521:
And you make this comment based on what information? Rich individuals obtain their wealth from somewhere, yes; they work for that money. Celebrities, for instance, can bathe in money; but they received that money fairly. They worked for it, and as Americans, we're paying them to continue producing entertainment they provide for us. Politicians receive massive paychecks because they work their way up - in a corrupt system, nonetheless - to make imperative decisions that will affect us all. Granted many of them contribute to existing problems, they still earn their money and we can always re-elect someone new if they fail to do their jobs.

Point being that in America you can work for personal achievement. Capitalism thrives upon individuality because it increases competition, which therefore increases the successes of our economic system.

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I didn't say,nor did I think that all rich people get their money in an unfair way.
I mentioned price scissors next to my point.It's one example of unfairness.There are many more,such as slave labours,arguable international trading rules,monopoly,most of these exist in big cooperations that control the most interest.This is nothing new.

Logically,that many people,as you said celebrities,take their fortune for granted do not guarantee that everyone else does.

I said about the weakness of Communism in this post before,which is just the advantage of Capitalism you mentioned.
("The real trouble lies in human nature.We are lazy lazy creatures.When we get our suppliments equally,slowly people will work less,and stop developing new technologies to raise productivity,This proved to be true.")

I am not extremely well informed or versed on the theory of communism, but from what I've heard it is basically that everyone is to do a job for society and that everyone gets equal pay and whatnot. The only problem I see with this is, whom makes the decisions of whom does what? Isn't that body at a bit of an advantage over the common people? Whom decides who forms that body? If someone could post the basic tenets and operations of communism perhaps I could make a better informed judgment, as I am not familiar with Marx.

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Originally posted by DrStrangelove:
So, BITI, you're idea of the peak of human culture is a society with no individual acheivement, just a mass colletivist society who's sole purpose is to maintain the status quo? Is equality better than individual freedom?

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I never said individual achievement wasn’t a good thing. It is actually a drop of water which ameliorates our sea. However, achievement as a society is a rather more significant achievement. It is by surpassing the differences encountered in our cultures that an innovative achievement will start.

Thus in an equalitarian atmosphere you can as well encounter freedom as an individual. But what is our definition of freedom, being free to think and express what we feel? Being free to succeed as an individual for the benefit or yourself, or your society? Or being able to live in a humanity ruled by ideas of libertinism? Also what do you think equality is, having to eat the same food as your neighbor? No! Thus equality shall be eating what you want but making sure that the meat you are eating is not causing hunger to thousands children who no longer can drink milk because you ate their cows.

As I already said, the ideas of communism has before been tried to be adapted to bigger communities in wrong ways. Those sitting at the top of the hill have tried to force an idea that a community is not ready to live, as well as they have taken the wrong decisions and called them communist ideas - wrong.


Ampmaster, you have said it, our humanity is not perfect, but why is it not? Thus we have frozen into the old cave man impressed by the beauty and power of fire. I don’t mean to say we haven’t advanced technologically and culturally, but ideologically, we are frozen. Thus it is through a real educated humanity that we could maybe reach a state close to what you call perfection. Thus, perfection is not being all the same, and not commenting errors, but will be not tripping over the same rock twice as we have for so many years.

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No. Communism has never and will never work; hence why it commonly called a theory.

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Agreed. The US has this insane belief that unless a country has a democracy, it is evil and inhumane and should be forced to change.

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We are NOT a democracy and we are not pressuring pure democratic idealisms upon other countries. Christ, does anyone realize that?

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Rich people get there money from somewhere,by some way,and very often,not a fair way

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And you make this comment based on what information? Rich individuals obtain their wealth from somewhere, yes; they work for that money. Celebrities, for instance, can bathe in money; but they received that money fairly. They worked for it, and as Americans, we're paying them to continue producing entertainment they provide for us. Politicians receive massive paychecks because they work their way up - in a corrupt system, nonetheless - to make imperative decisions that will affect us all. Granted many of them contribute to existing problems, they still earn their money and we can always re-elect someone new if they fail to do their jobs.

Point being that in America you can work for personal achievement. Capitalism thrives upon individuality because it increases competition, which therefore increases the successes of our economic system.

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The thing about this form of Goverment is that it expects everyone to be perfect but humanity is not perfect and never will be so communism can never work because a evil man or just a strongman will stand up and take control

So, BITI, you're idea of the peak of human culture is a society with no individual acheivement, just a mass colletivist society who's sole purpose is to maintain the status quo? Is equality better than individual freedom?

I don’t believe the idea of communism being evil and I don’t also believe some of the interpretations some people are giving to the theoretical economic system known as communism.
Thus if communism has failed to succeed before is because in the intellectuality of our society there is not space for equality. Meaning that most of our world is not ready to develop a system based under equality for all. As history goes by we also see how communism is tried to be inculcated into major communities or nations eider by the wrong person or the wrong beliefs.

About it never being a good idea, I wouldn’t say “never”, I would rather say that our level of intellectuality as a human being would need to go beyond of what it is right now. And when I say we I refer to our society, to our world. It is only by inculcating a real education into our world and having time generalize our way to see each other that we will be able to adapt to a communist system of life. While we wait for an intellectually advanced decade, we can just keep living among society’s defects.