“Actually, Iceland made a really good point. If we're going to be the world's superpower, then it's kind of necessary to help weaker nations. War is costly, which you can see from a major deficit. I honestly don't think France could afford to jump into a war.”


We aren’t asking them to jump into war! Just asking them to have support in peace relations is all we ask. We have been helping weaker nations! We are protecting France for crying out loud. not to mention half the other countries we help.



”Um, also? We entered WWII not because Europe was begging us (though that is part of it), but because Japan attacked us.”

Yes but if it wasn’t for us, Hitler might have overrun Europe and went Atlantic. That would have been even messier.

”It is wrong to say that France "owes us". We're not supposed to be keeping score. Who wants to bet that people and countries all over the world would say that the US owes them for awful things that have happened in their country. It's not about keeping score. It's about doing what's right. With that, we need to stop attacking the French for not joining in our war and work on building a relationship with nations that isn't based on one of the most primal of instincts- war.”

We aren’t supposed to be keeping score but if they would just support us with a peace mission that’s not too much to ask. Which countries would say that? Im not saying I don’t believe you I want to know which countries would say we owed them because truly we have done so much. Don’t yell at us for not doing whats right. the French are stubborn cowards who wont see the sense to help with keeping the peace something they claimed to stand for. We aren’t asking them to help us in war! We aren’t in war mode! We are building up a war torn country that hasn’t seen a sensible leader in a good while. Besides I have said this so many times they had a contractual treaty with NATO to help any of its members when in need. Dump NATO.
Weve spent billions and billions of American dollars in some stupid organization that doesn’t even help us with the simplest things. We need to dump NATO.

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Actually, Iceland made a really good point. If we're going to be the world's superpower, then it's kind of necessary to help weaker nations. War is costly, which you can see from a major deficit. I honestly don't think France could afford to jump into a war.

Um, also? We entered WWII not because Europe was begging us (though that is part of it), but because Japan attacked us.

It is wrong to say that France "owes us". We're not supposed to be keeping score. Who wants to bet that people and countries all over the world would say that the US owes them for awful things that have happened in their country. It's not about keeping score. It's about doing what's right. With that, we need to stop attacking the French for not joining in our war and work on building a relationship with nations that isn't based on one of the most primal of instincts- war.

Worthless hypocrite, Iceland. Are you aware that everything you're railing against, the Europeans pulled on us to get us into WWII? And probably WWI. We didn't initially want to go, but Europe begged and pleaded.

Screw America you say?
What we really should have done is said "Screw You" to the French and the rest of Western Europe.

to all you people.

WE aer not in war mode! are we dropping bombs? no! we arent on the offensive any more we are are defending the country. France had a contractual treaty under NATO. they didnt want to help us in the war fine but we arent in war mode right now.
ICELAND you disgust me. learn your history. if it wasnt for us the French might still be under the cold grip of Germany. if it wasnt for our troops protecting the country currently, they would be vulenrable to even more attacks instigated by terror. we have bailed them out of two world wars and if it wasnt for us France might be under communist Russia.
the point is we have repayed our debt to the French and so much more. they owe us.
we arent asking them to go drop bombs we are just asking for support. is that too much to ask?
the point of this entire board is we should dump NATO. it isnt benficial.

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-----"""i did NOT say i dislike the French because they are French. i said i dislike them becaused they do not have the common decency to help us with simple footsoldier work.
even after we bailed them out of two world wars and are keeping their country safe."""



What the hell? Who the **** cares? The U.S. is the most powerful country on earth with the most money. If we are going to go to war, why should we expect anyone to help us? If they're going to, fine. But if they aren't, you should leave them the **** alone.

War is much more costly for other countries, the United States has the luxury of treating war like a toy, because we are vastly rich and have 300 million people. For poorer countries, with a fraction of our population, going to war is a much larger economic burden.

You live in a democratic country where everyone SHOULD be free to make their own decisions unharassed. Now apply this to a global scale, hypocrite. Face it; it's wrong to try and force someone to go to war for you, and even worse to complain about them and harass them for not obeying you. You disgrace America.

And learn your history. WIthout the French you wouldn't be celebrating July 4th. And we would have lost the war of 1812. And there are no U.S. troops in France.


If America told me "Go to war or else I will dislike you" I would say SCREW AMERICA. To do anything else would be shameful or cowardly. When the French don't like something, they are honest about it. When they don't want to do something, they don't do it. Even if it means saying no to the most powerful and most influential country in the world. Take it how you want to; I think it shows they don't **** around.

How can you say the war is over when people are still dying? President Bush declared it over, true, but the actual fight hasn't.

Peaceful foot soldier work has often concluded in death, also. You can give the job description as peaceful, but in actuality, it isn't. We've heard the reports from Iraq, peace isn't really happening. If anything, the violence has escalated.

Don't you dare say that I don't know what I'm talking about. I do a lot of research day by day, and I've kept careful eyes on the news- both conservative AND liberal based- so I have a pretty good idea of what's going on. And again I say, the US already knew about the nerve gas, we were asking where the other WMD's were. Which we didn't find. I've read your other posts, redrepublican, I've read them thoroughly. I know your stands. I would appreciate it if next time you refrain from saying that I don't know what I'm talking about.

how the hell is the war mode the somae as the peace mode? we arent dropping bombs! we are carrying out a peace relations with Iraq as they become a soveriegn nation.
france had a contractual treaty with the US. we kept up our end of the deal now it is their turn.
we have sacrificed thousands of American to save their skins!
and its not like we are asking them to blow up Baghdad! we are asking them to carry out peaceful footsoldier work for crying out loud.
they didnt want to go to war fine but the war is over.
look at some of my other posts buddy they have found WMDS in Iraq. do not post about things you dont even know about.

for all you calition haters out there, im not iposing my beliefs on anyone. I am just sharing my views like the rest of you and am trying to help people seem my point.

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joking. i don't like that the vichy gov. is thought of as a surrendering body. they were the political minority in france. they were just as evil. they just had less power.


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Amusing, isn't it, how the American "Peace mode", as you have so dubbed it, is very similar to their "War mode"?

Ok, so the French didn't jump into a war with us. It's their choice. Just as it was our choice to help them out in other wars. We felt it was our duty to help them, and obviously, they don't feel they need to help us with Iraq.

Which, if you ask me, they have a good point. This war is nothing but mayhem. There was no good motive to go in (WMD's- hah), and there was no exit strategy. It was a lot more beneficial for them to stay out.

WE ARE NOT IN WAR MODE ANYMORE! WE ARE IN PEACE MODE!
besides the fact France had a contractual treaty with NATO.
we would help France with anything they got into.
i will quote myself for those too thick to read.

"if it was France having the problem with Iraq we would have been the first behind them."

i did NOT say i dislike the French because they are French. i said i dislike them becaused they do not have the common decency to help us with simple footsoldier work.
even after we bailed them out of two world wars and are keeping their country safe.


for all you coalition haters, this post is not imposing my beliefs on anyone, i am just sharing my views and trying to help people see my point.

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no if you said something against saddam i would agree. not because of race, but because he's a murderer.

and you (as in the U.S.) can't just say "War! Now!" and expect every country to kneel in front of you. other countries have free will and can choose whether they help you or not.

so you by your logic if i sad somthing against Saddam it would be racism???? it is fact that the French will not help us, it is fact that they owe us, it is fact that they would be nothing without our support. my points are irrefutable.

it has been proudly deemed racism free. i say it because im proud of being anti racist.

for all you coalition haters, this post is not imposing my beliefs on anyone, i am just sharing my views and trying to help people see my point.

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no, the truth is you have a form of unfair (like all racism is) racism against the french.

and why do you keep saying "this post has beeen proudly..."???

can anyone tell who every single d a m n topic turns into a debate about racism? we have eighty billion topics on racism! THIS IS NOT RACISM IT IS THE TRUTH.

for all you coalition haters, this post is not imposing my beliefs on anyone, i am just sharing my views and trying to help people see my point.

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lol racism is at its largest in the U.S.

**** France. If I could go anywhere, it'd be Paris. Why? I'd go with a "Fat Man" and a "Little Boy".

what do we owe the French? they havent been a superpower since the French and Indian war which ended in 1759. we have done so many things to help those countries.
NATO is essentially the American protection of Western Europe. we owe France squat they are indebted to us for saving thier skins in two world wars and keeping their country safe from terrorism. the French army is in a shambles, if we left their country, they would totally be left open to terrorism.
although i want to agree with the fact that we should stay out of any conflicts troubling these western European countries and although i would love to see these countries face the terror threat alone, thats not what America stands for. we would help them because unlike France we show class and we respect the treaty of NATO (which however noble it sounds may not be a good thing). it is sad that they will not even help us with a peaceful relations mission in Iraq though.
i do not know however if Bush or America will ever be able to forgive these scoundrels.
But right now Bush needs to dump NATO regardless to whether or not they get into any conflicts.
this is a very delicate situation.

on the issue of superpowers.

we may not always be a superpower but we must all we can while we can.
i dont want this to become a big discussion of religion but this is why i think we are a superpower (and yes i am entitled to my opinion):

this is Geneis 12:3:

3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you."

(Biblegateway.com; NIV; Gen. 12:3).

God is talking to Abram later known as Abraham and they speak of Abram's son Isaac who is the Father of teh Jews.
We are Israel's only ally and we are the superpower. we bless the Israelis and God blesses us. and the Arabs hate the Jews and God punishes them for it. (hence they are the most hated nation in the world. yes even more hated then America).
please dont yell at me about posting this.

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We likely wouldn't even be a nation if not for france, then we take that favor and **** it all up.

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Yes, but that was hundreds of years ago. since then thet have changed alot

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Because the Iraq invasion is sensless, reason-less, and Bush...

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So was the German invasion of France in World War II. By your logic, we should have stayed out then, too.

Paintbucket brings up a good point. France has hates us, and has for years, as does a lot of Europe. Even though we bailed them out of TWO world wars. We more than paid them back for the help they gave us in the past.

One thing I can say is that, if Europe ever tries to drag us into yet another one of its wars, this time, we should stay the f--- out. They don't give a squirt about us, so why should we give a f--- about them?