Oh, and I really am annoyed when you people ascribe positions to me that I don't hold. I believe in gun control, but that doesn't automatically mean I want to get rid of all guns, okay? So please stop it. I know it helps you guys make your case, but if you can't do it without resorting to underhanded tactics like that, maybe you should consider that maybe you're wrong.

Umm...the average German family during the 1930s was totally broke--the country was in ruins. Even though the economy isn't red hot right now, it still beats the hell out of post-WWI Germany. So it's not really a legit analogy.

Refresh my memory....where did I say you didn't know what happened during the Holocaust? I was making a comparisan between the average German family in the late 1930s, and average North American family in the early 2000s. You seemed to make an excellent example, what with your unwavering trust of the government.

Mags, you will find that if you keep this line of discussion up, you will be thoroughly trounced. There have been several cgun control topics here, if you feel like digging them up. Otherwise, let me give you a quick summary of the points we adressed:

A.
1.Criminals Break Laws
2.Law abiding citizens abide by laws
3.Making firearms illegal would disarm law abiding citizens and not affect criminals
--Cases in point include britain and australia, where, when firearms for private use were banned, crime rates in the areas of home invasion, etc, spiked
--Case in point #2rugs are illegal, but one can get ahold of the adulterant of ones choice at streetcorners worldwide

B.
1.There are VERY FEW firearms accidents
2.Most of the 'children' cited in gun death reports (children being defined by those reports as anyone under 21) were gang members and other criminals busy killing each other, and who would kill each other with or without firearms, its illegal either way and the law is NOT a detterent
3.Firearms are the most effective home and self defense weapons practically useable and available.
4.There are (according to the study most widely acknowledged, although likely lower than the actual number) approximately 2.5 million instances of firearms used for defense anually in the US.

In summary:
1.Criminals will break laws, therefore only law abiding citizens are harmed by gun control laws.
2.An enormous amount more people defend themselves with firearms than are accosted with one.

it is ludirous for you to compared today's US gov't to that of Nazi Germany...I am offended you assume I don't understand what happened during the Holocaust...I happen to be a religion teacher now. My arguement is that there are WAY too many draw backs to allowing guns in homes, such as family members mistakenly killing their mom, son, sibling...Are you really actually afraid the US gov't is going to throw a coup d'etat? I mean, their is a difference between barring guns because you are fighting the Revolutionary War (see US History text book)and barring weapons for sport...

.....I can just see mags in Germany 60 odd years ago, laughing at the crazy Jew down the road for having a peculier fear of the Nazis.

Damn, are you so paranoid Joey. You actually think the US government is going to try to form a dictatorship???? Please explain this theory to me, I'm dying to be enlightened...a-boo

Pie is correct, there were many gun/self defense posts before you came to youthnoise dauben.

"Out of all the liberal views on this website, gun control is the least debated." Thats because all the afore mentioned gun grabbers got spanked. You could dig back some and find the "Guns in our society" post-which was the only big post on the subject.

Of course guns should be banned and confiscated, NOW ! Every citizen should be required to turn in their firearm or be in violation of the law. Of course criminals wont commit a crime by keeping their guns, they're not LAWBREAKERS.