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...but it is not spoken of as a specific place, but as a "nation of people", the nation of Israel. That is why when Israel became a "physical" nation in 1948, it was named Israel

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Of course, if you knew how to research instead of call names, then you would know that lands like Persia are now Iraq/Iran/Turkey and Rosh is now Russia and so forth.

Europe is a continent, let us not forget that - or did you fail Geography?

Israel is a country. Iran is a country.

Asia is a continent. Europe is a continent.

Egypt is discussed, mentioned, whatever ALL throughout the Bible, too.

Yet it's not a continent.

Maybe, instead of acting like you know everything, you should just maybe once in awhile pick up a Bible and see for yourself.

Joey, I'm still waiting for a quote talking about Europe....

Christians didn't come until AFTER Jesus came/died/ascended.

Specifically, gemini, Israel was prophesied as becoming a nation in Matthew 24:32-34 - symbolized as a "fig tree."

As for the explanation of the revived Roman Empire...

I strongly suggest people read or re-read the Book of Daniel, specifically Daniel's dream he interpreted for Nebuchadnezzar in Chapters 2-4.

The dream Daniel had was of a great "man" plated in gold/iron/silver and had 10 toes of clay.

I've said this once before I think.

But study Daniel and you will find out that the revised Roman Empire is where the Antichrist will come out from/of.

You HAVE to be able to understand Daniel's dream to understand fully Revelation and the End Times events.

Ezekiel, Jeremiah ...reading through that wouldn't hurt either.

Yeah Joey, all throughout the Bible, the nation of Israel is mentioned, but it is not spoken of as a specific place, but as a "nation of people", the nation of Israel. That is why when Israel became a "physical" nation in 1948, it was named Israel, because it was formed as a safehaven for the Israelites after World War II. And I'd love to see the quote that mention "Europe" specifically in the Bible...because I've never seen any!

Still waiting for these verses...

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yet all throughout the Bible, the word "Israel" is mentioned

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Maybe because it was mentioned in the Bible, and a vast majority of people were Christians?

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Jesus Christ is calling out to you, I can tell.

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So that's what that silence is from!

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Want to accept him?

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Is it mandatory?

mags, you obviously have no knowledge of the Bible, because if you did, you'd know that Israel wasn't a declared a nation until 1948 -- yet all throughout the Bible, the word "Israel" is mentioned!

And that was more than 2,000 years ago!

So not only are you ignorant of what the Bible says, but you are also completely ridiculous in even replying to my previous posts on this thread, because it makes you look stupid when you don't have all the facts and information to back up your outrageous claims.

You, too, my friend, should just take it slow and try to approach this thing with an open mind.

Jesus Christ is calling out to you, I can tell.

Want to accept him?

So, I thought you were completely crazy before, but you have proven me wrong, you are even more crazy than previously decided. Where in the Bible did it say the Antichrist was coming from Europe? There wasn't even a Europe in existence when the Bible was written!!

You are a complete lunatic...I think you just need to lock yourself in your basement bombshelter and stop ranting on this board.

CRAZY!!!!

Funny that you say that, Dante.

I was just reading up on the "Babylon Harlot" in Rev. 17 (it is also referenced back to Jeremiah and Daniel as well).

Come to speak of it, I shouldn't be using the words "revived Roman Empire," as verbatim quotes, because I, too, have not seen the phrase anywhere in the Bible.

The EU, in its lobby in Brussels (from the photos I have seen), has a picture depicting the "Babylon Harlot" and of course, has the euro and has established its trade zones all over the globe.

I'm still studying up on this stuff, but again, thanks for pointing that out.

EU story/proposed draft bill story:

http://www.elliscountypress.com

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the Antichrist rises out of a group of 10 nations resembling the revived Roman Empire (EU is based out of Brussels, but covers areas such as Rome/The Vatican)

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It's this phrase that's been buggin me for a while. A conglameration of diverse verses, and the relevance to Rome or Europe.

I've read Daniel, I've read Revelations. I know the allegory of the ten horns and the small one usurping three others leaving seven, but I don't remember the phrase "revived Roman Empire" anywhere. Indeed, it is quoted verbatim so widely I assumed it had biblical origins but I, as of yet, have not found them. I would much appreciate a collection of all the relevant verses that support this case for likening these international coalitions to an apocalyptic omen.

In fact, I don't believe you've touched on some of the most interesting, humorous, and downrigth strange coincidences, such as the woman riding the bull (the "beast", although the "Beast" is suppsed to be the Antichrist I believe) in EU literature.

Someone also said the Antichrist was to come out of Eastern Europe. This and other assertions interest me.

So yes, some background citations are in order.

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Gemini-How dare you throw the "How Christian-like" in Joeys face. You disgust me for that.

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What exactly was so offensive? I was simply pointing out a NON-Christian-like insult. I never said that I never do insult anyone, but it was irrelevant to the arguement and quite childish. I'm not perfect, either.

Anyway, Joey apologized, which makes me happy. You, on the other hand, are easily disgusted.

Congratulations to all you socialist, world government supporters.

Or [most] Republicans and Democrats, whichever you prefer.


I should be breaking this story for the Dallas-FW-area media this week, and it's very interesting to say the least.

It's quite lengthy, but it's full of very useful information you people can pass on to friends and family members or something.

(or better yet, other reporters)

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Water rights on negotiating table

JOEY DAUBEN
The Ellis County Press
UNITED STATES – The 15-member European Union has requested the U.S. government allow them to take over water and sewer systems here.

Documents detailing the EU’s plans, which also include opening libraries, the U.S. postal service, education and health care providers to European competition, were leaked to the public last week, and when asked about the revelations, local water company directors and citizens said they were alarmed.

“I was unaware of this,” said Sardis–Lone Elm Water Supply General Manager Hugh Inman. “That’s a scary thought.”

Inman said it was “scary” after hearing local democratic control over the companies could be in jeopardy. His water company currently services about 3,300 customers in a 15-mile radius stretching from Waxahachie to the outskirts of Midlothian.

“All water systems are regulated through the state,” he said. “Someone can’t come in and say ‘we want to charge this.’ We all [board members] have to agree on it. I’m not saying it can’t happen in [other places].”

In 1994, the General Agreement on Trade Services was established and was adopted by the World Trade Organization, of which the U.S. is a member.

With the adoption of the agreement, foreign corporations can establish themselves here and compete against non-profit or government institutions for taxpayer funds.

“We’re a non-profit organization, and don’t have taxing authority,” Inman said.

Privatization of municipal water services or other utilities is nothing new, according to Rockett Special Utility District board member Matt Craig.

Craig said once water or sewer systems are privatized, the new owners, in most cases, only take part in the management, not a full-scale take-over.

Thomas Allen, an attorney who has studied Lancaster and Red Oak’s short-term and long-term projected water growth, said he sees a clear case for opening utility systems to foreign competition.

“It makes sense though,” he said. “If TXU can expand around the world and compete for the supply of electrical services against foreign providers, it is only fair.”

Red Oak City Manager said the EU’s plans will not have a direct affect on their water systems, but did say the information was “interesting.”

“In Texas, water rights are granted to the entities who submit applications to the state,” said Red Oak City Manager Ken Pfeifer. “Once granted, the water rights are not subject to negotiation or trading unless the owner of the rights agrees to it.”

The EU includes countries such as Italy, Germany, France and England, and is believed to be the revised Roman Empire in the Biblical books of Revelation and Daniel.

When the 15 countries adopted the EU “constitution” and trade regulations, member-states’ rights and government operations were superceded.

Some are afraid the U.S. government will be “taken over” by the EU, a “New World Order” politicians in the late 80s, early 90s sought.

“The future of accountability for public services and of sovereign law are at stake with the [EU] decision,” stated reporter Maude Barlow. “This potential expansion of GATS/WTO authority into the day-to-day business of governments will make it nearly impossible for citizens to exercise democratic control over the future of traditionally public services. The mainstream press has all but ignored this story. It is difficult to grasp and complicated to explain.”

Barlow’s piece about the global agreement was featured in Project Censored 2003, a book compiling stories on world events the American media did not report fully.

“Municipal water/sewer systems are under a GATS attack and local officials have not even been told,” said Ruth Caplan, coordinator of an effort to stop the measures.

However, keeping European countries from competing in this country might not be easy. The U.S. Treasury Department currently owns the International Monetary Fund and World Bank, economic allies of the EC and the WTO.

Currently, cities rely on the International Building Code for much of their building and zoning requirements, and also seek a regionalization of government through such organizations as the North Central Texas Council on Governments.


http://www.elliscountypress.com

http://www.joeydauben.com

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I would also like to talk about the newly FDA approved microchip that can be implanted in the forehead or hand of a human. The mark of the beast?? I think so.

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Thank you Bushsupporter for presenting this - the deceived people will go, "Oh this isn't so bad. It just has all of your financial information and your credit history and things like that. This can't be the mark of the beast."

Then, when the sheeple take it, bingo, the Antichrist will know exactly where people are at.

Bruce, I apologize for the moron remark - it was actually sarcasm/rhetorical at the same time - not meant as an actual insult, but eh. I've said my peace.

Anyway, Revelation has been interpreted many, many ways, but the true Follower of God, given God's wisdom, grace and direction, will be able to understand the events unfolding across the globe.

See, I'm not causing a massive alarm here. I'm simply stating that Christians should keep alert -- because if this "Left Behind" series is nothing more than a commercialization of Christianity as I believe it is, then well, the Christians AND unbelievers will have to live side-by-side.

And it's up to us [Christians] to witness and tell people (read: report) about all of this so that they won't GET the microchip if in fact we're all still alive during that time.

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Gemini-How dare you throw the "How Christian-like" in Joeys face. You disgust me for that.

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I see no problem with Gemini calling Joey out on his insult...yes, it might be hypocritical but then again she doesn't claim to be subject to a higher power. The thing is that the Christians on this website, by proclaiming and defending their faith, have taken on the responsibility of representing Christ and yes, Christianity as a whole. Accountability is a good thing...even if it comes from an atheist.

Gemini-How dare you throw the "How Christian-like" in Joeys face. You disgust me for that.

Joey-I sometime disagree with you on matters of international and domestic policies but you are right on here. I applaud you for bringing this up. All you can do is tell these people. The decision is up to them.

The Antichrist cant be Blair because the Bible says that he will rise out of eastern Europe. So put your mind at ease, Bruce.

Marine is right also. The euro is part of prophecy.

I would also like to talk about the newly FDA approved microchip that can be implanted in the forehead or hand of a human. The mark of the beast?? I think so.


"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.

this is a totally scary subject for me, but i guess i'll open my ignorant mouth anyway. i hope God forgives me.

dauben i also have read the bible. i think through out the course of it i recall there being four trumpets called... take what you will from that.

i've also obsessesed over revealations. it's not too specific. lots of interesting and suggestive metaphors; ambiguous signs. i guess i'm trying to say the whole book is open for interpretation. it's good you spread the word, but no one can be sure what revealations is trying to tell us..... until it comes to pass. and even then....self-fufilled prophesy? maybe. some guy with his finger on a button..... he has a choice. i honestly believe that. he might not believe that though. i just pray God will forgive me when my time is up.

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That didn't seem very Christian-like.

Anyway, the antichrist is nonexistant, no matter which context you choose to use it in.

Yeah....the problem there dauben.....is that I was not at all mocking you, and I am aware you didnt say Blair was the antichrist, I was simply making a point, I suppose there is no internation in my text so I can see how you would jump to such an offensive conclusion.

BruceLee, are you a complete moron?

I posted the link to the actual story - and I stated that if people would read through a Bible, you'd know that this is all falling into place.

Then, just so you won't come back (again) and try to state that I said Blair was the antichrist, I said, "I'm not saying Blair is the antichrist."

Mock all you want. But you just make yourself look even more ridiculous.

Well, if it makes you feel any better...

Check this out:

Welcome to the New World Order, everybody.

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Water wars

Local water rights could be negotiated with European firms

JOEY DAUBEN
The Ellis County Press
ELLIS COUNTY - Residents could soon pay a European company for water service, according to official documents from the European Commission.
“If that happens, I’ll be digging a well,” said Rocket Special Utility District customer Stan Lasley.
The documents, which The Ellis County Press has received, confirmed that U.S. municipal water/sewer systems are on the negotiating table.
The EC, or Union, the world government organization believed to be the revised Roman Empire in the Book of Revelation, has requested the U.S., including Texas, adopt trade rules to open water, sewer systems to competition by European companies.
The U.S. had previously agreed to opening up wastewater services for private industry, and the EC, according to the documents, wants public services opened as well.
“In Texas, water rights are granted to the entities who submit applications to the state,” said Red Oak City Manager Ken Pfeifer. “Once granted, the water rights are not subject to negotiation or trading unless the owner of the rights agrees to it.”
Ellis County is home to several private water companies, but local and state officials haven’t heard about the EC’s intentions.
“I forwarded this [e-mail] to my boss, and he said he didn’t know anything either,” said Texas Commission on Environmental Quality Region IV spokesman Imran Khawaja.
The negotiations are taking place to expand the General Agreement on Trade in Services (GATS), one of the agreements under the authority of the World Trade Organization, which the U.S. government is a member.
“Municipal water/sewer systems are under a GATS attack and local officials have not even been told,” said Ruth Caplan, coordinator of an effort to stop the measures. “The public needs to know whether the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative headed by Robert Zoellick will protect essential public services or trade them away in response to European requests.”
Keeping European countries from competing in the public market in the states might not be easy. The U.S. Treasury Department currently owns the International Monetary Fund and World Bank, two “allies” of the EC, GATS and the WTO.
In addition, the EC documents request its corporations be given market access for “water collection, purification and distribution services through mains” within United States’ boundaries.
All local regulations, according to Caplan, could be under threat.
“GATS locks in commitments made to open up specific services to foreign competition, so once the U.S. commits to including water, sewer services, they will not be able to back out,” she said.
The track record for the three major European water services company, according to Caplan, isn’t good.
The City of Atlanta recently terminated its contract with EC’s Suez subsidiary United Water due to poor performance.
Vivendi and Thames, two other European water companies, have a dismal environmental record, according to Public Services International. When EC firms took over Argentina’s water supply system, according to PSI, the poor water quality made drinking water undrinkable.
Currently, fresh water is reportedly being shipped from other countries to the Argentinean people.