Okay, so I am sure some of you have heard that they are removing the ten commandments from this court in Alabama. I think it's absurd, they should keep them there, because that is what our laws and system of government is based on...


Anyway, the group that is pushing this matter is this one group of people, who want complete seperation of church and state. They are going so far as to try and get a law passed that penalizes ministers who suggest that the congregation vote for a specific canidate because of their faith.

However, they have sent politicians, such as Bill Clinton, and asked ministers to speak in several churches in order to promote their canidates and views. Is that not hypocritical? You tell me.

)))))Sorry, must have missed it, could you tell me exactly what post(((((

"""""Posted December 1st"""""Mormons DO believe in jesus' connections with god. I know many mormons, I've been in many mormon churches(jesus is everywhere). Have you ever seen those commercials on tv for the "church of jesus christ of latter day saints"? Those are mormons. The part about believing in jesus is a part of what they title themselves as. Therefore they ARE christians no matter how little the rest of the world knows about them. The latter day part is about some silly things that some guy in new york wrote down claiming they were the word of god(and however irrelevant, I think it's nuts), but the fact still remains(they are christians)."""""



)))))Both viewpoints are opinion. At least I admit mine is an opinion.(((((

"""""Here we go again... Posted december 7th"""""it was your opinion that you were arguing... NOT truth."""""

The only times I give opinion is when I explicitly specify that it is merely that. The rest IS TRUTH... which is something you are galaxies away from comprehending. Mormons are christian, I can't say it enough. This is not my opinion, my opinion is also galaxies away from holding any sway to what should be argued here. I do not argue my opinion unless provoked to do so. The truth behind the contradiction to your opinion is that MORMONS ARE CHRISTIAN. If you can't grasp this simple truth, then why would anyone hold your opinion to be worth anything more than its weight in dirt.



)))))Which is why I frankly don't care what you think of Mormonism(((((

Except for the itty bit inside the parenthesis(on the december 1st post), I haven't expressed any of my opinions towards this subject in the least. None of it is just what I think... it's what I know. It's obvious. It's apparent. It's broad as daylight. IT IS TRUTH that MORMONS ARE CHSISTIAN. Shall I repeat myself again? Damn, I feel like a special education teacher.

I really think people need to listen to what I'm saying instead of adding things.

Comrade. Since when did I say that the definition of being Christian was 'not calling yourself Christian'. At least I think that was what you meant, please clarify if it wasn't. As I for some reason have to repeat, over and over, I do not think Mormonism is a sect of Christianity. Period. I'm not bashing them because they call themselves Christian. I'm not necessarily saying they need to stop calling themselves Christian. I'm not saying Mormons or anyone else have to do ANYTHING. I never said I 'wanted only true Christians'. I said I do not consider Mormonism a form of Christianity.

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Your opinion is what you were arguing. Don't get confused and try and take it back now, it was your opinion that you were arguing... NOT truth.

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I know my opinion is what I've been arguing. Which is why I frankly don't care what you think of Mormonism, until you attack my opinion. I'm not going to get confused. I know it's been my opinion the whole time.

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Lets analyze for a moment shall we. I don't talk about things I'm not familiar with. I've never met anyone of the KKK, I've never studied about what people of the KKK are all about. I don't skip around the world telling people about things I have no clue about.

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Your argument would sound a lot more legitimate and thought out if instead of insulting me you argued. Let's see here. Unless you live in a hole, I think it's pretty obvious what the KKK is about. Or at least, enough to judge the nature of the organization, if not specifics. What I was saying is that you yelled at me for saying Mormons aren't Christian. You conveniently phrased your sentence so that you said KKK 'call' themselves Christian, instead of saying they 'are'. Isn't that doing the same thing I'm doing? Tell me right now that they are or are not Christian in your opinion.

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What you call "pulling a fast one" is becoming a symbol for blabbing about things YOU value as opinions.

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No, what I call pulling a fast one is trying to get a hypocritical statement past without me noticing.

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Have you even read all of what I've been tryng to inform you?

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Sorry, must have missed it, could you tell me exactly what post it's on so I can look? Because as far as I remember all you said was "Mormons are Christian" with a few random insults thrown in.

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When you label Mormons as only capable of having "few" true christian followers you forget to judge the other christian religions equally(which are NOT any better).

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I'm not saying that the other Christian religions are perfect. You act like I was trying to...ooh, let's use our new vocabulary now that it's been properly defined...'pull a fast one'. Not really. I just never got around to it, because it was never brought up. Sorry I didn't read your mind.

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This is where your OPINION comes back into play. You don't go by truth which has already been established, you go by what you think. Your opinion is what you are arguing.

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Well, what are you arguing then? We obviously have interpreted the Christian religion in different ways. Both viewpoints are opinion. At least I admit mine is an opinion.

As I said before, how about we focus on what I say instead of what you say I say.

letter11x, if the definition of being christian ISN'T calling yourself christian, then there is NOT A SINGLE CHRISTIAN ON THIS EARTH. Which would make you A DIRTY IGNORANT HYPOCRITE.

If you want only "true" christians, give all your possessions to the poor right now and wander the land doing good.

___See, was that so hard? I knew you had it in you. ***round of applause*** Your opinion IS what you were arguing. Your opinion is what you were arguing. Your opinion is what you were arguing. Don't get confused and try and take it back now, it was your opinion that you were arguing... NOT truth.


"""Don't try to pull a fast one."""
___Lets analyze for a moment shall we. I don't talk about things I'm not familiar with. I've never met anyone of the KKK, I've never studied about what people of the KKK are all about. I don't skip around the world telling people about things I have no clue about. What you call "pulling a fast one" is becoming a symbol for blabbing about things YOU value as opinions. I don't do that. What I do know however, IS enough to contradict you on it's own(which is why I did as such). "Mormons ARE christian!" You keep on talking but you always skip the part where you make any sense. You don't have the slightest idea of what Mormons are yet you persist. Have you even read all of what I've been tryng to inform you? It is not my opinion. I DO know what Mormons are all about. They are actually more strict about worshiping Jesus than any of the others in some cases. When you label Mormons as only capable of having "few" true christian followers you forget to judge the other christian religions equally(which are NOT any better). This is where your OPINION comes back into play. You don't go by truth which has already been established, you go by what you think. Your opinion is what you are arguing. Your opinion is what you are arguing. Your opinion is what you are arguing.

hey, I haven't been on for a while, but here we go.

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You are an idiot if you think your opinion on what it means to be christian can mean anything to anyone else. There is a technical term and then there is what you think is right.

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I definitely do not remember saying that what I think should mean anything to anyone else. I don't CARE what other people think. This is what I think. I do not think the Mormon church teaches true Christianity. I'm not judging Mormons, sure there are probably a few Mormons who are true Christians, and God is the only one who can judge a person. But Mormonism, the Church of Mormon? I don't think it's Christianity. And I KNOW that this is 'what I think is right'. What else is an opinion supposed to be? If you would pay attention and/or think you would realize that I am not arguing about technical terms or campaigning to change the definition of Christianity, I'm sharing my opinion.

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Mormons are christian, members of the KKK called themselves chritian too.

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I notice you do not say that the KKK are Christian. Don't try to pull a fast one. You can't say 'Mormons are Christian' and then say 'the KKK call themselves Christian', you can't use what I'm saying [that some groups 'call' - key word "CALL" - themselves Christian, but are they really?] when you're trying to contradict me.

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If you say they aren't... all you are doing is denying how anyone else can have their own opinion.

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How is that denying how anyone else can have an opinion? It's saying that I MYSELF HAVE AN OPINION, that just happens to clash with theirs. Don't be a hypocrite. I say they aren't...hmm, that sounds like an opinion. Yep, definitely an opinion. So, wait, I guess you're berating me for having an opinion? But you yelled at me because you thought I was denying people their opinions? Isn't that denying me an opinion? Woah, woah, do you see what is happening here?

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You just think you have the superpower of altering the dictionary in order to help you sleep at night.

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Again, I'm not trying to change the dictionary. I've just formed my own opinion. I think you really need to stop pulling things out of the air.

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You use the term christian to tightly, it doesn't mean what you think it means. This is why we have broken all sects of christianity into little groups(hence, whatever your church is called). Duh!

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I can think it means whatever I want. So apparently you and the person who wrote the dictionary are the only ones who can define Christianity. Geez, and I thought this was America, where you can think whatever you want. And your little sects of christianity statement doesn't really prove anything. I'm not saying that my sect of Christianity is the only true form. Most Christians are pretty accepting of most of the other sects. I think Protestant, Catholic, some non-denominational and Anglican churches are all Christian. I'm not saying that everyone who isn't my denomination isn't Christian, not at all. Again with the pulling out of the air. And, your sentence should read 'This is why we have broken Christianity into little groups', because, the sects ARE the little groups.

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I was dissing your credibility to sound like a person who knows what it is they are talking about because you can't even type things that make sense. Get with the picture. You are an idiot.

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Um, see that would just barely pass as a legitimate explanation, except that I myself acknowledged that I was rambling and wasn't being very clear. 'credibility to sound like a person who knows what it is they are talking about'? Yeah...ok. You don't need credibility to sound like a person who knows what it is they are talking about. Even a complete idiot can sound like they know what they are talking about. How about you just say credibility as an informed person. Geez, and you criticize my posts as nonsensical. Maybe you should, instead of trying to turn the posts personal in order to avoid backing up your past statements, actually argue the point instead of insulting me with extremely little evidence.

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Why are we getting rid of that virtue?

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For the same reason we abolished slavery. It was screwing our country up.

"""That is so far from the truth its insane. Otherwise every rule and law that was ever created would still be in effect today because we wouldnt able to use our opinion to change it. WRONG!"""

---Beliefs don't change laws, the government does. You can pretend and even believe that their regulations are based on christian beliefs, but they are not. If any affect at all christianity keeps many laws from changing to fit people's opinions(because politicians fear losing public sentiment). But (to me) nothing worth changing ever gets changed, only pety irrelevances that barely affect the US as a nation hardly ever matter anyway. The news is boring, the press is compiled of people who are good at making things appear interesting. None of it means squat because they don't make decisions for the betterment of everyone. They make puppet-decisions because it's their job to keep things flowing "steadily", plus they don't care as long as there is a law they keeps them well paid for it either way.

Mormons DO believe in jesus' connections with god. I know many mormons, I've been in many mormon churches(jesus is everywhere). Have you ever seen those commercials on tv for the "church of jesus christ of latter day saints"? Those are mormons. The part about believing in jesus is a part of what they title themselves as. Therefore they ARE christians no matter how little the rest of the world knows about them. The latter day part is about some silly things that some guy in new york wrote down claiming they were the word of god(and however irrelevant, I think it's nuts), but the fact still remains(they are christians). I know this, and I've known this since the first disrepancy against the letter chick arose.

You may all hold every last one of your own opinions is the highest degree that you possibly can, just notify me the day that YOUR(true) beliefs change something that others are forced to obey(or see as truth)... and then you can gloat about the power of opinion. I don't even think the things 'I' say have enough force or firth to them to make any of you listen to whatever they may entail. But I humor myself by acting without any reason, motivation or goal except to wallow in the garden of apathy that I've so rightfully planted my roots in.

---Quite on the contrary my sweet. It doesnt mean what I think it means, it doesnt mean what you think it means. It doesnt mean what a mix of what the whole world thinks. A christian is someone who believes in jesus' devinity and worships him for that. DEPENDING on which sect of christianity you belong to, is where your values are found. They don't define and are not accepted by all who call themselves christians because they are just as entitled to make up thier own mind just as you did(and they are all just as christian as you as long as they fit the dictionary definition).


You called me your sweet, how touching lol. You take things out of context, and that aggrivates me. I said you didnt know the definition of a Christian, I never said, you dont know the definition of BEING a Christian, one are words on a page of the dictionary, and the other is a way of life, not to be confused.

---Christians do not redefine their own religion every time they grow a conscience. It may have begun that way, but even if you tell yourself it is so... you cant change your churches restictions or sets of rules just because your opinion argues against it.

As a matter of fact you are partly correct, Christians DID change their religion when they didnt like long long ago. BUT they still do it now. That is why we have so many Christian religions that arent even known to half the world, because people want to believe what they want to believe.

Adding to (you cant change your churches restictions or sets of rules just because your opinion argues against it.)

That is so far from the truth its insane. Otherwise every rule and law that was ever created would still be in effect today because we wouldnt able to use our opinion to change it. WRONG! Even in the Catholic faith. Which is the oldest Christian religion because other broke off from it, the rules have changed, and restrictions have been taken away...

You say you believe in rights to one's own opinions but you've already placed yours above everyone elses on this self-righteous pedestal.

If you don't hold your own opinions above others, then they wouldn't be your beliefs or your own values. Also, dont slay what I said, I said I believe in ones right to have their own opinion when they use their brain, and support it with some logical thinking, and possibly facts. Some things cant be proven by facts, but that doesnt mean you cant tell when someone knows what they are talking about...

BTW I was only calling you an idiot for thinking that you have the answers. I don't have the answers to most questions and never claimed to. I just know I have more "correct" answers than you.

You said and I quote "A christian is someone who believes in jesus' devinity and worships him for that." Mormons do not believe that Jesus is God, or that God is perfect, hence yet again proving to you that they are not true Christians, some may think they are. But as you said in your own way, they aren't.

The longer you rambled about something you weren't in on.... the more you proved my point. And the rest of whatever you want to call what you said means nothing to me.

"You are the idiot on this one. Christianity is a people based religion, Most Christian religions are based on what people think!"
---Christians do not redefine their own religion every time they grow a conscience. It may have begun that way, but even if you tell yourself it is so... you cant change your churches restictions or sets of rules just because your opinion argues against it.

"In fact I care what they think because as a fellow Christian I believe everyone has a right to their own opinion."
---*hold that thought*

"Mormons are NOT Christians my friend, they are their own religion"
---Actually yes, they are. They are just as christian as any of the others and they do worship jesus to the extent where they can be considered christian by anyone who knows what they are really about. They do however have much different codes of conduct and extra *book* backup(as they would call it). But before you try and sound all high and mighty on what it means to be christian to the world(and not yourself). Learn what those words already mean(not what you think they does).

"I’m sure you can call yourself intellectual, when actually you aren't. None of what you say is based on fact"
---now that's the first thing you've said correctly all along. My point the whole time was that opinions don't change truth. You my friend are the bigger more lost victim to your own ailment of thinking things said mean jack squat. You and miss. letter can be happy and live wonderfully in this illusion of a world where words mean whatever you want them to mean. The rest of us don't have to take these opinions you are entitled to as anything more than the crap that they are.

"Christian values are what DEFINES Christianity, and while it doesn't STOP someone from being a Christian, it is a guide for all Christians to follow. Finally, the Christian values aren’t in the dictionary"
---Actually yes, again. You can't drag me into defending something I didn't object to silly, silly person. To each their own christian values. It IS what their christianity comes down to. But just because they don't all agree, doesn't give any one to say which is more or less correct. Catholics think they are the best. Baptists think they are the best. Mormons think they are the best. Etc... Furthermore, I never claimed she would find what her values were in a dictionary(that is for her church to brainwash her into thinking). What she will find(and you too) will see that no matter how hard you think it to yourself, what it takes to be a christian is much less than you want it to be. If you want to say christian values you are at an impass, because you either agree with all christian religions or you think that the one you are a part of is the only one that knows what they are talking about(WHICH IS WHAT YOUR OPINION IS, AND WONT EVER CHANGE ANYTHING)

"you just don’t know what it means"
---Quite on the contrary my sweet. It doesnt mean what I think it means, it doesnt mean what you think it means. It doesnt mean what a mix of what the whole world thinks. A christian is someone who believes in jesus' devinity and worships him for that. DEPENDING on which sect of christianity you belong to, is where your values are found. They don't define and are not accepted by all who call themselves christians because they are just as entitled to make up thier own mind just as you did(and they are all just as christian as you as long as they fit the dictionary definition).

"Glad I could make your day If you have enough spine left after you read this write me a reply"
---You really, really give yourself too much credit. It's almost worse than laughing at your own jokes(which is not even funny if you ask me). You just slumped yourself into a dingy little burlap sap with that letter character. It's a bag for people who talk a whole bunch of nothing and think they have just saved the world from some evil plague. You say you believe in rights to one's own opinions but you've already placed yours above everyone elses on this self-righteous pedestal. This proves my point because what I'm saying is that others' minds aren't made up by what someone thinks they should make up their mind by. You say you agree, yet you persist. People aren't changed by opinions, the are harmless so you are allowed to have as many as you want. But they wont change anything... especially me(which is probably the first conceited thing I've said in this post) so get with the picture!!! It's not rocket science mr. JÎZZ!!!!!

"You are an idiot if you think your opinion on What it means to be christian can mean anything to anyone else."

You are the idiot on this one. Christianity is a people based religion, Most Christian religions are based on what people think!

"There is a technical term and then there is what you think is right."

You are right there is a technical term, and there is also an adaptation of what a person believes, but those are two different things, one reflects the principles of a religion, and the other reflects a person’s faith... DUH

"Nobody cares what you think cause it doesn't change anything."

In fact I care what they think because as a fellow Christian I believe everyone has a right to their own opinion.

"Mormons are christian"

Mormons are NOT Christians my friend, they are their own religion; you should really know what you are talking about before you open your mouth. The big difference is Mormons don’t believe Jesus is divine, (God) but Christians do... Keep working on it though; you'll stunt us some day.

"members of the KKK called themselves chritian too. If you say they aren't... all you are doing is denying how anyone else can have their own opinion."

Now first you forgot the s in Christian, secondly a lot of people call themselves things when they are not, I’m sure you can call yourself intellectual, when actually you aren't. None of what you say is based on fact, just hearsay, something your mom probably told you.

"To have what you would call christian values doesn't define who is allowed to be christian and who isn't(it's much broader than that). You just think you have the superpower of altering the dictionary in order to help you sleep at night."

Where do you come up with these things? You need to sit down and read some books on religion. Christian values are what DEFINES Christianity, and while it doesn't STOP someone from being a Christian, it is a guide for all Christians to follow. Finally, the Christian values aren’t in the dictionary lol, they are in the bible and holy documents like the Catechism.

"You use the term christian to tightly, it doesn't mean what you think it means. This is why we have broken all sects of christianity into little groups(hence, whatever your church is called). Duh!"

As a side note I thought your use of duh was exciting, so I used it in my reply. GOOD JOB! Now I didn’t read the previous reply that you are bashing, but if you are as dumb as you were in trying to diss the other points I have a good feeling that they aren't using the term too tightly, you just don’t know what it means, and that, is in the dictionary.

"I was dissing your credibility to sound like a person who knows what it is they are talking about because you can't even type things that make sense. Get with the picture. You are an idiot. The sooner you grasp the truth, the sooner you can start your rehab on not being idiotic anymore."

The truth is you have no clue what you are talking about, and you don’t make any sense, it hurt my IQ to drop to that level to understand what you were trying to say. You need to get back to the station where a train of thought is. Hence, making you the idiot on this one. And by the way, what truth should we be grasping if yours is based on your own dull thoughtless point of view. I think its time for you to start rehab yourself bud...

Glad I could make your day

Jiggz

P.S. If you have enough spine left after you read this write me a reply, Ill be interested to hear what else you have to say, except maybe an F word and my name attached to it, because I don’t think you have the brain capacity, to write an apology to your fellow Christian noisemakers :0P

Boo-Ya, hahaha you were saying?

___You are an idiot if you think your opinion on what it means to be christian can mean anything to anyone else. There is a technical term and then there is what you think is right. Nobody cares what you think cause it doesn't change anything. Mormons are christian, members of the KKK called themselves chritian too. If you say they aren't... all you are doing is denying how anyone else can have their own opinion. To have what you would call christian values doesn't define who is allowed to be christian and who isn't(it's much broader than that). You just think you have the superpower of altering the dictionary in order to help you sleep at night. You use the term christian to tightly, it doesn't mean what you think it means. This is why we have broken all sects of christianity into little groups(hence, whatever your church is called). Duh!

___I was dissing your credibility to sound like a person who knows what it is they are talking about because you can't even type things that make sense. Get with the picture. You are an idiot. The sooner you grasp the truth, the sooner you can start your rehab on not being idiotic anymore.

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our counrty was based upon Christian leaders and a Christian society...Why are we getting rid of that virtue?

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First of all, I never said that. I don't know who it was, but it wasn't me.
Did I group the Mormons with the KKK for any other reason then that I do not consider them Christians, even if they do? I can group them together as much as I want. I wasn't saying Mormons are racist or violent. You can group thing A which is evil with thing B which is not without calling thing B evil. Here's an example, I can group Hitler with Mother Teresa because they are both members of the same species...but am I necessarily saying Mother Teresa is as evil as Hitler? Not that the KKK and Mormons are the same 'species'. I personally do not consider them Christian. I'm not running around starting organizations to bring down the Mormon church. It's just my opinion. Obviously you don't think I am entitled to any opinion other than yours. Unlike you I'm not trying to get the world to change their beliefs to mine.

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I still don't see how that helped your argument that I was wrong and Mormons are Christian, seeing as it was a completely different topic. Please explain to me how it was relevant.
I never said you committed a serious crime. If you hadn't...attacked...my post I wouldn't have even cared if you thought Mormons were Christians.

MalibuBarbie, do you ever say anything that's actually correct? Or do you just believe in opinions?