I think that this is wrong to allow illegal immigrants to work in the u.s. even when we can't have enough jobs to support our population.
Ithink that illegal immigrants should be severly punished if they get in to the country.

WHAT IS THIS MADNESS?!?!?! People should have a right to do whatever they can to have a good life in a good situation. If you dont have any money, and you live in the city dump, what are you supposed to do!??!? Now, you hear of this wonderful land called "America" where you can get a good life. What do you do for your family??? Im sorry but if you dont want illegal immigrants why dont you send a donation to the countries they come from???? You wouldnt would you? THINK ABOUT IT...

shut your trap. who the hell do you think does all the dirty work?! imagine you lived in pond scum filthy country and all you want to do is support your family. so you work 14 hours a day for zip money while all the pretty boys lounge around their bed eating cherries. Imagine ur just thirteen! and WHO IN THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE! HAVE SOME CONSIDERATION FOR OTHER PEOPLE"S SITUATION! hate to break it to you but, you dont OWN THE WORLD.

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Daveman, go back and read the ******* thread. Then maybe your painfully stupid whimperings won't be quite as stupid.

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How was that whimmpering? I wasn't ****ing talking to you

His comment seemed fine, and he was probably responding to the very first post. Maybe you should re read the post.

Daveman, go back and read the ******* thread. Then maybe your painfully stupid whimperings won't be quite as stupid.

And all of you who hate immigration better hate abortion too.

Actually, under Bush's plan, most immigrants would stay working in the U.S. for a much, much shorter time than many do, and then they would be deported. So it's actually simply an immigrant trap.

is it the illegal immigrants you don't like or is it just bush? he's doing something right by letting those mexicons into the land of the free. let me ask you this would you like them better if they had a greencard? you see when the americans come over from britin. they didn't have greencards. so should we have had to gone back because of it? no because we wanted to make a better life for ourselfs. just like the mexicons.

"The Africans" weren't intelligent enough to create a "true government?" What about the trading empire of Timbuktu, which formed without predominant white influence? If white are superior, why did American democracy influenced by the Iroqouis League? Why did the Iroquoius Leage SUGGEST a united government to the European settlers instead of the other way around?

Your racial supremacy relies on zero understanding of WHY history occured the way it did, zero understanding of class, and zero understanding of the effects of rascism in America.

Don't make this into a racist issue, it's really not. Any illegal immigrant, no matter where they're from, should be kicked out.

Don't get me wrong, i think immigration is good... LEGAL immigration is good. If we bring hard working, educated people in our country, it benefits everyone. But these illegal immigrants are neither hard working nor educated... if they were, they wouldn't be illegal.

This law is absolutely rediculous. Basically, if you can swim over the Rio Grande you have a much better chance of becoming a US citizen than someone well educated who came LEGALLY for work. It's rediculous. Bush should get impeached for it.

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Where do you think the government derives from? The people create it. The original Europeans created America's government. The Africans weren't intelligent enough to create a true government.

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Then I must say, the people are poorly represented.

Yes, Africa is 'really hot', and there would have been drought to contend with. It's like arguing that the Sahara Desert demands more ingenuity for survival than Antarctica. Face it. This argument is completely groundless. Survival would have been tough anywhere.

In fact, archaeological evidence suggests that intelligent human beings first evolved in Africa. In all likelihood, the ancestors of the entire human race were black. It doesn't matter how long you rail about 'racial purity'. It doesn't exist.

When I said 'prove it' I meant prove your source, which djmagnusa has just called into question.

Africans are capable of forming government, for example in South Africa after Apartheid was ended.

You assume that your race is superior. You do not know this.

Would you say that any given white man is more intelligent than any given black man? Would you say that all white men are superior to all black men?

This is where you assume too much.

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Oh, really? Prove it. I'm afraid you are incorrect. We can rationally assume differences when it comes to the brain on little pieces of evidence, not to mention scientific research. Things like SAT scores, IQ tests, etc. All of which reflect the same constant truth I have been suggesting. Racial differences exist. Not just on a physical level, but on a biological one as well. Don't tell me that this is due to poverty and circumstance, because that is bullsh*t. Asians, for example, are an even smaller minority than blacks, yet their average IQ is higher than the average White IQ. This is genetic, it's inherent. It has little to do with the envioronment. It has to do with evolution and undeniable racial differences.

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You are undoubtedly referring to the bell curve that was published back mid 90's. The bell curve has continually been questioned by most major academic institutions such as Oxford, Princeton, Yale and the list goes on. The bell curve has been highly questionable since the day it came out. The simple fact is on a biological level race does NOT exist. Save your pseudo-science for your dumb *** Aryan nation friends.

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Not necessarily.

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Where do you think the government derives from? The people create it. The original Europeans created America's government. The Africans weren't intelligent enough to create a true government.

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Oh really? Prove it.

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I already have if you have nothing to refute my statement, which you obviously don't.

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Is it more reasonable to understand, then judge, or merely to judge? What you say is 'there is nothing to understand.'

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I understand it quite well. There is no justification for crime. I have no sympathy for criminals, I don't care how poor they are.

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You simplify everything in an attempt to be 'logical', but you assume too much.

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You say this, but what am I "assuming"? Blacks commit a ridiculous amount of crime in this country, and our country is being flooded with millions of Mexicans. It's as simple as that. I can't break it down any more for you.

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Great. Seeing as you find blistering temperatures and arid conditions so inconsequential, the desert should make an agreeable home for you.

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Africa is not one big desert. It's really hot, but it's not one big desert.

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Africa is also a very warm place. Europeans had to deal with extremely cold weather to survive. Climate conditions are said to be the main reason race exists. Which makes sense. The European had to be very intelligent to survive long winters and icy environments.

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Great. Seeing as you find blistering temperatures and arid conditions so inconsequential, the desert should make an agreeable home for you.

Bex

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Oh, really? Prove it. I'm afraid you are incorrect.

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Oh really? Prove it.

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the present crime rates exist. You can blame them on whatever you would like, it doesn't justify them.

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No, it does not justify, but it does explain them. Circumstance is everything. Why do you dismiss it so hastily? Is it more reasonable to understand, then judge, or merely to judge? What you say is 'there is nothing to understand.' You are too proud to step down off your pedestal and actually learn anything about the human beings you are sharing this planet with.

Part of the reason why you are unable to convince me is that you see the world so completely in black and white (oh the irony) and that is not reality. You simplify everything in an attempt to be 'logical', but you assume too much.

Just to take one example, that genetics are so much more influential than environment. I think this is wrong. Genes are merely a starting point. It is experience that builds a human being.

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Why are the blacks and mexicans unable to successfully survive in our society?

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I think they are 'surviving' just fine. Many black people and Mexicans are successful and intelligent, and statistics are futile against them. What's more, I don't think they are doing you any harm. I think you are railing against a multicultural society while simultaneously enjoying all the advantages it offers. If you find it so repugnant, go dig a hole in the desert and live there.

Bex

Who's more important?: The Goverment helping its own people and their job situations?...or allowing immigrants to cross over into the U.S. because they'll take the jobs of 5cent an hour?

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The Goverment(George) needs to get his/their priorities straight!

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The people are the government

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Not necessarily.

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here's some logic: There is no biological difference between a black person's brain and a white person's brain.

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Oh, really? Prove it. I'm afraid you are incorrect. We can rationally assume differences when it comes to the brain on little pieces of evidence, not to mention scientific research. Things like SAT scores, IQ tests, etc. All of which reflect the same constant truth I have been suggesting. Racial differences exist. Not just on a physical level, but on a biological one as well. Don't tell me that this is due to poverty and circumstance, because that is bullsh*t. Asians, for example, are an even smaller minority than blacks, yet their average IQ is higher than the average White IQ. This is genetic, it's inherent. It has little to do with the envioronment. It has to do with evolution and undeniable racial differences.

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they are more likely a product of social inequality and the black/Mexican population being generally poorer.

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This is not true, and even if it were, your point would still be irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that the present crime rates exist. You can blame them on whatever you would like, it doesn't justify them. Assuming that this absurd suggestion up there is correct, why do you think that blacks and mexicans are poor? It certainly isn't due to "racism" or lack of opportunity. They have more opportunities than Whites do. Jews aren't poor, most of them are successful people. They are still "discriminated" against. Asians are in the exact same shoes. Why are the blacks and mexicans unable to successfully survive in our society?

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BoundForGlory was condemning ALL non-white immigration, rather than merely illegal immigration.

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I have less of a problem with legal immigration, but it still shouldn't be as frequent as it is. Our population is deliberately being polluted, and Americans are either too blind, or too stupid to see the truth of the matter. They will see though, and they will be sorry in 20 or 30 years.

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It's not the fault of the people that government is unstable and unable to make living in that certain country easier.

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The people are the government. The point was that these people have not been capable of building a successful civilization. Do you think it was easy for the Europeans to do? I don't care where you are, you have to improvise and use your resources wisely. I think you are assuming things and talking out of you ***. Africa probably has more resources than any other continent. The primitive, native people who reside in Africa aren't smart enough to utilize their resources. Africa is also a very warm place. Europeans had to deal with extremely cold weather to survive. Climate conditions are said to be the main reason race exists. Which makes sense. The European had to be very intelligent to survive long winters and icy environments.