hi. im a catholic and i believe in God. Someday, when i die i know i will be going some where. I have something to look forward to.. But i was just wondering, how are you all feeling? that you don't believe in any higher being..? ..that there's nothing more to look forward to after death?..how does it feel?
im feeling great! i do believe we are going somewhere, to a higher and more important life form, its a long and most probably boring theorie (im sorry im a crap speller) so i wont go into it now, but you dont need to believe in god to believe your gunna go anywhere after death
the children that you spit on as they try to change there worlds, are ammune to your conseltation were quite aware what were going through
Originally posted by zzyzx: I'm feeling fine, thanks for asking .
You're cool zzyzx... and I'd really like to hear the answer to riskbreaker's question, LoversAndFriends.
"I know of no safe repository of the ultimate power of society but the people. And if we think them not enlightened enough, the remedy is not to take power from them, but to inform them by education." Thomas Jefferson
Umm I'm Catholic/Lutheran...mom's one, dad's the other. However my best friend is Presbyterian and my bf is Baptist and those are the ppl I've been raised around so I'm pretty mixed in all of them but they're Christian and I'm Christian so we're all good. We pretty much believe that no matter how much you **** up, if you blieve in Jesus you're gonna go to heaven... ~Ser~
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One boy, one girl. Two hearts beatin wildly. To put it mildly it was love at first sight. He smiled,she smiled,they knew right away.These were the days they'd been waitin for all their lives.For a moment the whole world,revolved around one boy and one girl.
I tolerate others, and I don't believe in them going to Hell. As I've said before, as a Mormon, I believe that people are judged by their knowledge of right and wrong. Not someone elses. We also believe that people can progress in heaven forever into eternity.
Yet, this goes against many of the fundamental tenets of Christianity. Such a viewpoint isn't destructive, but it is an example of "picking and choosing" from an allegedly holy text, and I don't see how you can't begin doing so without rendering the whole thing meaningless.
And Mormonism (at least at its basic tenets), just like most other religions that believe in an afterlife, requires that you do certain objective things to advance when it comes to heaven.
It doesn't go against anything in the Bible. It only supports it.
Yes, there are certain objectives, but what is "advancing" without objectives. However, a very, very, very, very, very, very select few will actually go to "Hell". Hard to explain bits and peices of the Plan of Salvation, but it would take pages to explain the whole thing.
Just because nobody understands you, that doesn't mean you're artistic.
Originally posted by hubbabaloo: If you haven't ever truly believed in God, you wouldn't know this sweet feeling of knowing who God is.
I don't really believe that I can't extend my mind to attempt to a view a situation from the point of someone who believes in a Supreme Being. And that's what "knowing God is there" means--believing God is there. At the risk of getting too philisophical, it can be argued that our beliefs are really all we have, and that applies doubly for contested matters that can't be proved either way.
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I tolerate others, and I don't believe in them going to Hell. As I've said before, as a Mormon, I believe that people are judged by their knowledge of right and wrong. Not someone elses. We also believe that people can progress in heaven forever into eternity.
Yet, this goes against many of the fundamental tenets of Christianity. Such a viewpoint isn't destructive, but it is an example of "picking and choosing" from an allegedly holy text, and I don't see how you can't begin doing so without rendering the whole thing meaningless.
And Mormonism (at least at its basic tenets), just like most other religions that believe in an afterlife, requires that you do certain objective things to advance when it comes to heaven.
And then, as the books were told, Fina replied: "A can of worms, my dear friend? What has this to do with reason?"
if you dont believe me, go out in the street and pull your pants down, and people will scream and run away from your SIN CORRUPTED BODY, and also take your naked baby into the world people will say "oh how preety"
I really would rather not even validate that with a response....i think it speaks for itself. WHAT!?!? Society deems what is acceptable, it has and will change a million times over in teh future. Being topless is completely acceptable in some cultures and has nothing to do with sin.
What you believe, whether in the end it is right or wrong, is your own business and no one esles. I can only hope that God isnt sitting up there "laughing", as you said, at people who have it wrong. Oh and "mocking" people doesnt seem like a very angel-like quality, or a very smart-people like quality. That's right, I said it.
I could go on all day about this guys post, but I won't. I have a life to get on with. Believe in what feels right to you, as an individual. Find what fits your lifestyle and improves your quality of living. Be a good person and the rest will sort itself out, whether you are an athiest, agnostic, Jew, Christian, Muslim, or Buddhist.
Whoever wrote that first response, I have a scripture for you. James 1:5 "If any of ye lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not."
Take notice of the last phrase. What does that mean to you? "And upbraideth not."
Just because nobody understands you, that doesn't mean you're artistic.
Originally posted by Aguagon: But with all due respect, hubbabaloo, if you "believe" something simply because it's nice to believe it, is it possible to really believe it? I mean, I'd like to believe I was dating a supermodel, and I can entertain the thought for a while, but that's all I'm doing: entertaining the thought. Same with an afterlife: I'd really like to believe in it, but my desire to believe in it alone does not allow me to believe in it.
I suppose where religion differs is that society reinforces the beliefs, making them easier to believe. If I was entertaining the thought that I was dating a supermodel and people also kept telling me I was dating a supermodel, maybe I could come to briefly believe it with time. So to me, belief in an afterlife just seems like massive willful self-delusion.
One could argue that massive willful self-delusion presents no problem if it's harmless, but in this case it clearly isn't harmless. If a person really believes in heaven and hell, and really believes that he must do certain things to get to heaven, I don't see how he can tolerate his friends and family not doing those things. Of course, once he starts forcing his loved ones to adhere to certain rules and guidelines that are counter-intuitive for them to adhere to, he has become a destructive force in their lives.
Well, you see, notice I said that "knowing God is there" not "believing in God." The comfort that the thought of the after-world brings when I'm challenged is just an added bonus. If you haven't ever truly believed in God, you wouldn't know this sweet feeling of knowing who God is.
I tolerate others, and I don't believe in them going to Hell. As I've said before, as a Mormon, I believe that people are judged by their knowledge of right and wrong. Not someone elses. We also believe that people can progress in heaven forever into eternity. So, though I do share my beliefs in case they are ready to hear the truth, I don't want to be intolerant of other's beliefs. Yes, I think I'm right, otherwise why would I bother defending my beliefs, but I don't want to seem intolerant of others.
Just because nobody understands you, that doesn't mean you're artistic.
This is how I see it, I'm going to live life the way its dished out to me. Ive been doing some thinking, if I ever get cancer I'm not going to fight it. We were never ment to live passed 50, women were never suppose to get menopause, but now that we can live longer we run into wayyy more health problems.
Have you ever looked at a 90 year old guy or women? Do you want to be like that? I sure as hell don't.
I'd like to keep my dignity.
Even though I'm not religious, I'd rather not play God like trying to keep myself alive with crazy medicines and tubes.
If I were an atheist, which I'm not, I wouldn't be worrying about when I'm going to die. Heck, I don't even think about it now. I'm 16. I hopefully have 70-80 years left. Why be dwelling on what happens after I die? I'll worry about that when I'm dead. For now, I'll live my life out without worrying if I'm going to be burning in hell, blissfully enjoying heaven, or floating in infinite nothingness.
I'm an atheist, for those of you who don't know. There for I don't believe in any higher power, life after death, etc. When you die you die,you're brain ceases to function and you're gone, end of story. I'm not scared of dying and I intend to live my life to the fullest. In my opinion the only "life after death" is the memories and legacy you leave behind. That's all I need.
And yes, I hate it when people inform you that you're "going to hell" or some other stupid thing just because you don't believe in their religion. It annoys the heck out of me.
"I know of no safe repository of the ultimate power of society but the people. And if we think them not enlightened enough, the remedy is not to take power from them, but to inform them by education." Thomas Jefferson
The devil is manifested as ALchahol, drugs and television and I believe the internet now.. these things are all designed for one purpose, to stop you THINKING, because THINKING is doungerous for the devil, if you are thinking you will seek your creator and seek the mystery that wears your face!..
Do you know what stops people from thinking? Religion. When you have a particular set of beliefs forced down your throat from day one...that is what prevents people from thinking on their own. What is there to think about when your beliefs have been neatly handed to you on a nicle little platter. No reason to think outside your small little box when you already know that you have a guaranteed spot in heaven. So who is it here thats failing to think? Delusions lay with the masses, my friend. You want to discuss ignorance? Look the word up first, and then tell me what you know about any number of other religions, and why yours reigns supreme over those others. If the devil is so tricky that those being led by him dont even know it, then who knows, maybe you, ACGUY, have been misled and failed to realize it.
You cannot claim that there is a God any more than anyone else can claim that there isnt one, or two, or fifty of them. After all, you don't have the "wisdom to create life" either or whatever it was you said while talking out of your ***. Ridiculous.
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if you dont believe me, go out in the street and pull your pants down, and people will scream and run away from your SIN CORRUPTED BODY, and also take your naked baby into the world people will say "oh how preety"
I really would rather not even validate that with a response....i think it speaks for itself. WHAT!?!? Society deems what is acceptable, it has and will change a million times over in teh future. Being topless is completely acceptable in some cultures and has nothing to do with sin.
What you believe, whether in the end it is right or wrong, is your own business and no one esles. I can only hope that God isnt sitting up there "laughing", as you said, at people who have it wrong. Oh and "mocking" people doesnt seem like a very angel-like quality, or a very smart-people like quality. That's right, I said it.
I could go on all day about this guys post, but I won't. I have a life to get on with. Believe in what feels right to you, as an individual. Find what fits your lifestyle and improves your quality of living. Be a good person and the rest will sort itself out, whether you are an athiest, agnostic, Jew, Christian, Muslim, or Buddhist.
But with all due respect, hubbabaloo, if you "believe" something simply because it's nice to believe it, is it possible to really believe it? I mean, I'd like to believe I was dating a supermodel, and I can entertain the thought for a while, but that's all I'm doing: entertaining the thought. Same with an afterlife: I'd really like to believe in it, but my desire to believe in it alone does not allow me to believe in it.
I suppose where religion differs is that society reinforces the beliefs, making them easier to believe. If I was entertaining the thought that I was dating a supermodel and people also kept telling me I was dating a supermodel, maybe I could come to briefly believe it with time. So to me, belief in an afterlife just seems like massive willful self-delusion.
One could argue that massive willful self-delusion presents no problem if it's harmless, but in this case it clearly isn't harmless. If a person really believes in heaven and hell, and really believes that he must do certain things to get to heaven, I don't see how he can tolerate his friends and family not doing those things. Of course, once he starts forcing his loved ones to adhere to certain rules and guidelines that are counter-intuitive for them to adhere to, he has become a destructive force in their lives.
And then, as the books were told, Fina replied: "A can of worms, my dear friend? What has this to do with reason?"
I really believe heaven is there, it's just I can't imagine the thought of there not being something after life. I think it would just seem like I had no purpose, and that there's nothing to look forward to at the end of the rainbow. That there's no end to enduring. That I do good for no reason. It's nice to know that there's a God above.
Just because nobody understands you, that doesn't mean you're artistic.
Not believing in an afterlife compells me to live this life to the fullest. If you get only one chance and eternal nothingness afterwards, you might as well enjoy what you have.
If I'm right and there is nothing, I get to be smug about being right (even though I won't be able to be smug as I'll be dead), and if I'm wrong, I get the surprise of still being able to think. I don't care if I end up eternally damned, at least I get to philosophise on it.
Originally posted by hubbabaloo: just what's it like to believe that there's nothing after life. Isn't that...well, scary? Depressing?
See, this kind of thinking reveals the fact that many believe in an afterlife simply because it would be unpleasant not to. I kind of suspect that deep down, such people do not really believe in an afterlife, but place the concept of an afterlife at the front of their thoughts to dispel the unpleasant feeling we all sometimes get when we remember death is inevitable.
As an Agnostic, I try to dispel the unpleasant feeling by quickly turning to something that will consume my attention and alter my pattern of thought. It is interesting to note that nobody (outside of those with true psychological diseases) is rendered dysfunctional by a fear of death, whether they are Atheists or not. It seems to me that human nature is to fear death enough to try to avoid it but not enough to become paralyzed with fear. And going against human nature is clearly very difficult, which is why you don't see many Atheists curled up in bed crying over the thought of their eventual demise or many Christians jumping in front of buses to get to heaven sooner.
And then, as the books were told, Fina replied: "A can of worms, my dear friend? What has this to do with reason?"
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