I believe that Israel is on its way to a renewed war with Lebanon and Syria due to the weakness they showed during the 2006 war. Olmert and Rice are idiots if they do not see this coming. The signs are visible, the rising tensions, Hamas re-affirming its mission to destroy Israel (peaceful? I think not), Syrian armies training, as well as Hezbollah, and the most important, Nuclear weapons in Iran.

why they want a war?.. are they crazy... LOL

where the war starts?... answer me please..

how true....I should change my sig, "proud not to be a sheep"

It's all about the media. The big sheep sings-the others follow!

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That's great! 2 months later you reply

yea.....I've been busy so I haven't had the time...or the effort to come back; college stuff, scholarship stuff, etc. but anyway, on to the main topic:

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If you want to criticize palestinian culture I suggest you first put things into the correct context.

let me ask you; do you believe the media has a dire effect on what people believe and is an impact as to what is the "truth?" If so, you must realize that those kinds of cartoons are being broadcasted all throughout the palestinian as well as Arabic media. Thus, people are going to see Israeli's and Americans as infidels and people to be killed. As well as textbooks that openly announce that Jews and Christians are pigs. I do not see American and Israeli TV (yes, I've watched Israeli TV) glorifying suicide bombings and the death of Palestinians. I'm not saying that all arab and palestinian people are bad, just that the stuff they watch and learn influences their opinion, especially if it is a one sided report. Of course you have extremists...but hey, who doesn't?

and your signiture amuses me.

That's great! 2 months later you reply

Palestinian culture has undergone 60 years of constant attack and represion. Glorification of the opressor's suffering is a normal reaction and can't be criminalized in these circumstances. Have a look at American culture, there is a generalized cult to violence and strength, this is due to both historical factors(like WWII), and isolationism.
Cultural criticism and analisis isn't possible without considering these factors.
If you want to criticize palestinian culture I suggest you first put things into the correct context.

although you must know, the Jews that did the bombings were shunned by the greater nation that believed that peace was the way to an independent Israel. The palestinians however, are broadcasting television shows that glorify bombings and killings of Jews and Americans. that my friend is the difference.

Notice that Israelis carried out similar terrorist attacks in the 30's and 40's against the Palestinians and English and it resulted in them progresively gaining more influence, and finally taking over what is currently Israel. I don't see how you can criticize Palestinian behaviour towards Israel when Israel came to be through the exact same means. I'd call that short sighted hypocrisy.

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Originally posted by riskbreaker86:
Palestinians have the moral right inherent in natural law and international law….by and measure…and any means at their disposal to rise up in violence against the occupation.

So you're saying that city buses and discotequecs are "tools of occupation"?

This is the difference between terrorism and resistance. If the Palastinians were attacking Israeli military targets or police forces, that would be one thing. Instead they're blowing up lots of women and children, althought the suicide bombings seem to have gone down there since the Iraq situation has continued to fester.

Palestinians have the moral right inherent in natural law and international law….by and measure…and any means at their disposal to rise up in violence against the occupation.

Back on topic?

I think the Palestinian counter attacks on Israeli forces are only natural. They respond to the logic of a state of warfare, when facing superior forces you do not confront them directly.
As you said this eventually plays out against the palestinians, but I believe their reaction is more than justified.

not offended in the slightest...

I'm not offended at all
Hydrok are you offended?

I wasn't aware that we were insulting each other

Just preemptively making sure, because I know these things tend to go. And it's not usually well.

I'm requesting it be kept civil, that's all.

Chill out 7... I'm not offended, I hope speed isn't offended, so lets just keep this one open.

Please tone down on the personal insults.

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Speed, what do you think about recent developments with Israel pulling out of Gaza only to be shot at again?

I think you purposefully take things out of context to favor your side of the argument.
I think you do not point out that Israel pulls out of Gaza after indiscriminately attacking civilians, bombing their homes with artillery and mortar fire, demolishing these same homes with tanks, and establishing curfew wich keeps people locked in their houses for days at a time, always hoping the next shell or mortar isn't going to fall on them.
You see, I believe it quite anguishing to be locked up anywhere. Now think of the added factor of possible bombing.
You can't leave your home because they'll shoot you, but if you stay inside a mortar shell might fall on your house and kill you.

I think that them firing a few pot shots at armored tanks with outdated ak47's, when they retreat is a natural reaction that everyone should take for granted.

Perspective... you utterly lack it.

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I never said only casualty's in bagdad.

ah my bad I misread your post