Thats why your a bunch of extremists, and that is why I am through arguing with people who can make Kat and Blue look like Neo-Cons.

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Originally posted by Meagan87:
*still fails to see how the whole media issue relates to the topic of the thread*

I think it relates because speed and hydrok were arguing about I don't know what I can't remember and hydrok told speed that he was obviously biased coming from europe and then speed pointed out that the media in this country is extremely biased. or something like that. like that the news you get here about what's going on in israel would be different than what you'd see in certain countries in europe. don't quote me on this though because I'm not completely sure.

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*does not feel the need to defend her morals on this site*
That being said...use of illegal drugs is ILLEGAL. That means, that when you use these illegal drugs, you are knowingly breaking the law. I'm fairly certain that most people would agree that breaking the law does not equal "conformity to the rules of right conduct" (the definition of morality found on dictionary.com).

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you there. Morality does not equal following the law. The law can be wrong. I'd suggest you don't use the law to determine if something is right or wrong. Years ago it was LEGAL to own people/slaves, just because it was legal does not mean it was morally correct, far from it. I think the idea of morality is extremely relative to each person.

*still fails to see how the whole media issue relates to the topic of the thread*

*does not feel the need to defend her morals on this site*
That being said...use of illegal drugs is ILLEGAL. That means, that when you use these illegal drugs, you are knowingly breaking the law. I'm fairly certain that most people would agree that breaking the law does not equal "conformity to the rules of right conduct" (the definition of morality found on dictionary.com).

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The only thing that makes drugs bad is the use people make of them. Criminalizing an inert chemical composite is plain stupid, and is only an evasion mechanism used to avoid the responsability of the people that misuse them.

I really have to agree with speed here. Sorry.

Seeing you are an enlightened being would you please let me know what is morally correct and what isn't?

You SEE, from my point of view, hiding from drugs, demonizing them, and being intolerant on any isues regarding them is hypocritical when you are willing to claim that morality is your guideline. As I made rather clear in my post on the matter, drugs are simple chemical composites, chemical composites aren't bad, plastic isn't bad is it? if you burn it and inhale its fumes you'll get stoned though, but no one hates plastic regardless of it's capacity to mess up the human mind through it's incorrect use.
Demonizing drugs is the common attitude of those who have no comprehension on the matter.
As a whole, the drugs are bad attitude is just a product of media manipulation of the information that is accesible to the public.
Drugs are not bad, they're not good either, they simply are. just like plastic, cleaning fluids(on wich you could also get stones), glue, etc...
The only thing that makes drugs bad is the use people make of them. Criminalizing an inert chemical composite is plain stupid, and is only an evasion mechanism used to avoid the responsability of the people that misuse them.
Isn't that horrible on your precious moral scale? Not accepting responsability?

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That was horrible. Shame on you for making such a bad pun. ...I still laughed, though.

why bother make an inteligent response to a stupid remark? I don't feel the necessity of proving anything when confronted with a watermelon seed that rhyme's with speed


That was way off topic.


To get back on the subject though, I recomend reading War Made Easy by Norman Solomon. The book analize's the role played by the media in the current state of affairs. Before claiming bias, you should atleast try reading a chapter(you can download the book in PDF format on emule or any other p2p client) and refuting anything said in it. I've tried to criticize some points I don't agree with, but so far I've found most of the evidence and information to be extremely well sourced, and in most cases, irrefutable. A great read that helps put war and mid east issues into a better perspective for those that don't have acces to non US media.

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...and you can't replace inteligence with fruity remarks

That was horrible. Shame on you for making such a bad pun. ...I still laughed, though.

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You prove weakness when you aknowledge words, especially regarding drugs, are enough to provoke you.

No. I prove morality when I acknowledge that words are enough to make me lose all respect for someone.

meagan stfu, i allready made clear that my grammar issues derive from me being a US citizen living abroad, thus my knowledge of the language isn't as good as that held by the rest of you.
Regardless, you undoubtedly understood what I said anyway, but instead of responding to the content of my post you made a snide remark on my grammar.

Now, on the failure(of both of you) to find relevance to what I wrote.
What I posted was actually quite relevant to the debate, so far Hydrok has attempted to disqualify everything I have added to the argument by labelling biased and heavily influenced by anti-americanism in European culture. My response to this conveniently provided statisticall figures that give a pretty good idea of US media behaviour, thus rendering his sources useless, and consequently discrediting his claims of me being biased. I further mention his military affilitation, as it is rather shocking to me that no one questions his views based on this.

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You cant grow peaches with a watermelon seed. Speed.

...and you can't replace inteligence with fruity remarks

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For example, when people attempt to argue about the war on the supporting our troops thread, and discussing which illegal drugs they would and would not recommend trying.

thats reality for you, if you enjoy your bubble I suggest stay inside it and let others decide what suits them best. You prove weakness when you aknowledge words, especially regarding drugs, are enough to provoke you.

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Originally posted by Maya:

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Too late, I am really wondering who the real elitist here is.

yeah I guess I'm a hypocrite.

the reason I said I wasn't going to bother arguing with you though is because I knew you'd get all annoyed and it wouldn't get either of us anywhere but whatever.

Admission is the first step to rehabilitation.

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Too late, I am really wondering who the real elitist here is.

yeah I guess I'm a hypocrite.

the reason I said I wasn't going to bother arguing with you though is because I knew you'd get all annoyed and it wouldn't get either of us anywhere but whatever.

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Originally posted by Maya:
riiiight hydrok...you seriously need to RELAX, stop getting so pissy and take a chill pill or something! I'm not gonna' bother arguing with you because, well, there's no point and I know you'll just get all nasty so...

Too late, I am really wondering who the real elitist here is.

riiiight hydrok...you seriously need to RELAX, stop getting so pissy and take a chill pill or something! I'm not gonna' bother arguing with you because, well, there's no point and I know you'll just get all nasty so...

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Originally posted by Maya:
sorry meagan, calm down I'm not trying to pin anything on you. I just find it kind of annoying that instead of commenting on anything speed actually said people just made remarks that were completely unrelated.I don't find his mistake to be such a big deal but hey that's just my opinion. (so sorry for bitching at you it was more of a general statement towards your and hydrok's response)


what led me to post that comment is the fact that no one has actually made a sole comment on what speed was pointing out

Well gee, how about this? What did Speed say that was even worth my time to comment on?

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Originally posted by Maya:

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Originally posted by Meagan87:
WERE!!!

You WERE using a word incorrectly throughout your entire rambling. It's WERE, not WHERE.

(Not actually seeing any relevancy to the rest of the post, I will leave my comments at the above.)

just what I was pointing out in my thread in randomosity...

Stop being an attention whore!

sorry meagan, calm down I'm not trying to pin anything on you. I just find it kind of annoying that instead of commenting on anything speed actually said people just made remarks that were completely unrelated.I don't find his mistake to be such a big deal but hey that's just my opinion. (so sorry for bitching at you it was more of a general statement towards your and hydrok's response)


what led me to post that comment is the fact that no one has actually made a sole comment on what speed was pointing out

Oh noes, I mispeled sum werds in my setnences! Whut evr will i do? Sumone sav me frum my horible grammer and speling!

Granted, that's pretty bad, but I think we can deal with homophones (or quasi-homophones in the case of "where" and "were") if we can take the meaning from the context it's used in. We're all educated teens; that shouldn't be too hard to do.

But really, you need only jump on someone's back if they're using leet-speak or something. Leave it alone if their only offense is using "there" instead of "they're", or something similar. No one likes a nitpicker.

It is not fair to pin that on me, and you know it.

There are very few instances where I have ever yelled at a newbie, and I have been justified in pretty much all of them. (For example, when people attempt to argue about the war on the supporting our troops thread, and discussing which illegal drugs they would and would not recommend trying.)

In this situation, I found that he had made the same wrong word choice a total of eleven times and I felt compelled to point it out. (If for his knowledge if nothing else.) I then included the fact that I didn't see where his post did anything to forward his argument.

Finally, I did not direct any of my comments towards Speed on the sole basis that he is a new member. If anyone else on the site had made the same error over and over again, I would have been one of the first to point it out. I'm sure many of the regular members would agree with this assertion.

Next time, look at who you are directing YOUR comments towards.

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just what I was pointing out in my thread in randomosity...

She was commenting about his grammar. Not because he is a 'newb'

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Originally posted by Meagan87:
WERE!!!

You WERE using a word incorrectly throughout your entire rambling. It's WERE, not WHERE.

(Not actually seeing any relevancy to the rest of the post, I will leave my comments at the above.)

just what I was pointing out in my thread in randomosity...

WERE!!!

You WERE using a word incorrectly throughout your entire rambling. It's WERE, not WHERE.

(Not actually seeing any relevancy to the rest of the post, I will leave my comments at the above.)