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An unintelligent comment from an otherwise intelligent person

ok, thats a point. however, if you'd care to look at the second Jewish revolt, it clearly shows that a few extremists can easily turn moderates.

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Besides, one of the major reasons those extremists do hate America is their support of Israel.

that and that we stand for personal freedom which is alien to them.

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Originally posted by ampmaster:
How does israel depend on the US? in all reality they have one of toughest militaries on earth. Their Merkava tank rates as one of the best if not the best on earth and their new Tavor assualt rifle makes the M-16 look like a flintlock. The only thing they ever really needed from the US was aircraft and they now produce those under contract from Lockheed Martin and others as well as starting production on their own home grown fighter planes and bombers

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what they do to the palestinian population is despicable.

how about what the palestinians do? they slaughter little children as targets. At least the israelis try to hit things of strategic value.

They are already ahead of the US in the realm of Air to Air missiles.

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The Moslems hate America anyway, so why should they side with them?

An unintelligent comment from an otherwise intelligent person. The majority of Muslims do not hate America. If that was the case, than there would be no Muslims living in America. On the contrary, there are between 5 million and 8 million people who claim Islam as their faith living in America. Do not be fooled by the extremist minority.

Besides, one of the major reasons those extremists do hate America is their support of Israel. It would be in our best interests to leave Israel to its own devices.

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how about what the palestinians do? they slaughter little children as targets. At least the israelis try to hit things of strategic value.

thank you.

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How does israel depend on the US?

for one, Supplies. Israel may now have advanced weaponry, which is even sold to the US now. But they lack supplies. Without resupply from the US, they could never fight a long drawn out war.

BTW, my reply is being checked my MODS.

How does israel depend on the US? in all reality they have one of toughest militaries on earth. Their Merkava tank rates as one of the best if not the best on earth and their new Tavor assualt rifle makes the M-16 look like a flintlock. The only thing they ever really needed from the US was aircraft and they now produce those under contract from Lockheed Martin and others as well as starting production on their own home grown fighter planes and bombers

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what they do to the palestinian population is despicable.

how about what the palestinians do? they slaughter little children as targets. At least the israelis try to hit things of strategic value.

See Speed, you are exactly the type of person my signature refers to. You don't believe, you don't practice, but you are a hawk when it comes to defending the Palestinians, who ruined it for themselves by taking an Israeli soldier hostage and electing an extremist government. Honestly the Palestinians have no one to blame for their problems but themselves anymore. Israel was coming to the conclusion of peace, and they screwed it up.


Next, explain to me exactly HOW the Turks must depend on the US? We really don't get any significant quantities of oil from them, we use them as a staging area for our aircraft and ground troops. The Turks are also much too pre-occupied with killing Kurds to be worrying about silly Israel.

I also find it hard to believe that you find it difficult to criticize Israel, especially with your disgusting support of a terrorist based leadership of Hamas.

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turkey has the 2nd strongest army in NATO and very modern technology.

there wouldn't be a confrontation, both turkey and israel are US allies, there is no way they'll ever confront as long as they value their relationship with the US, on wich both depend, one for arms and technology, and the other for money.

yeah i know anti zionism isn't anti semitism, but nonetheless cultural issues make it harder for me to criticise israel, nonetheless, i do so anyway's cause what they do to the palestinian population is despicable.
I'm not a practicant, or a believer for that matter, but it is part of my heritage and i value it.

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the turkish military would probably lose in a direct confrontation with israel.

turkey has the 2nd strongest army in NATO and very modern technology.

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I'd like to point out this is even more difficult for me because I come form a jewish family

it shouldn;t be difficult, just remember Anti Zionism is not Anti-Semitism.

here are some more pictures of what Israel does to Palestinians:






these are all very unpleasan't but that's reality, enjoy it you zionist pig.
I'd like to point out this is even more difficult for me because I come form a jewish family, but that doesn't keep me from recognizing murder and state terrorism.

YN mods, please tolerate this, it is gruesome, but denying reality is worse. I think people deserve to see these pictures, as they clearly ilustrate the suffering of teh palestinian people. If you think these pictures do not belong here let me know, as I said earlier, I'll give external links to them, I'm more than willing to do so, but I think that they deserve a place here, regardless of their crudeness.
The word truth is rarely used in the right context when talking about the Israeli Palestinian conflict, and censorship is one of the main reasons. Thus I formaly request these images to be tolerated on the YN boards.

the turkish military would probably lose in a direct confrontation with israel.

Here's the picture i referred to earlier:



That bundle in his arms is a 1 year old baby that died in an Israeli bombing on wednesday, along with that baby 18 other people where killed, 7 of wich where children.

BTW, and refering to the topic of the thread, Iran has no nuclear weapons, whereas Israel is known to own warheads, in quantities probably ranging in the hundreds.

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It'd be much better for the US to side with the Jews, no matter how few they are. The Moslems hate America anyway, so why should they side with them? wheras the Jews love America still, despite how she harmed Israel during the recent Lebanon war.

i disagree, if america knows what is good for it then it should stay out of israeli, it is my belief world opinion is moving further and further against israel and america risks isolating itself even more.

Much of the hatred generated against america in the middle east relates to the jewish conflict.

I just hope any future israeli aggression is kept in check, whether that be via american diplomacy or region military strength, Turkey could easily throw its weight behind Palestine and could decimate the israeli military.

my post is waiting for approval because it contains images of dead palestinian children, if the admins don't pass it i'll post an external link with some nice pictures for you to look at.

For one, I care (I'm fighting for them next year), and Americans should too.

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They're the aggressors more often than not

I don't see Israel firing missiles into Lebanon and purposefuly targetting civilians, do you?

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I think it would be best for US interests to stay out of this completely

ha, what change would that be?

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and bad for US-Arab relations. Let Israel fend for itself

It'd be much better for the US to side with the Jews, no matter how few they are. The Moslems hate America anyway, so why should they side with them? wheras the Jews love America still, despite how she harmed Israel during the recent Lebanon war.

Why do we care? If Israel wants to get in more trouble, let it. They're the aggressors more often than not. I think it would be best for US interests to stay out of this completely. Our support for Israel is unneeded (heck, Israel has better weapons than we do) and bad for US-Arab relations. Let Israel fend for itself. All we need to do is keep it from spreading, and it's all good.

and why should they when Palestinians obviously NEVER had an interest in preserving Jewish lives. Besides, last I checked, Israel withdrew from Lebanon, as asked. and then Lebanon still fires missiles. How do you explain this kind of aggression. Israel is going back into gaza because Palestinians are firing missiles into Israel AGAIN. Thus, Israel is the victim as they try to live in peace while palestinians raise their children to hate.

you could be right, but if any aggression occurs it will be at the hand of the Israelis. Recent events have proven Israel cares little about the well being of Palestinian civilians with many being killed in the last month in Gaza.

We must also not forget the lessons of the 6-day war, deception and deceit, and pre-meditated israeli aggression against syria and egypt.

Please stop portraying Israel as the victim in this conflict.