Iran seems semicowardly right now using young fools with bombs to act their.. I mean Allah's agenda but they'll hit the war path as soon as the Ayatollahs can find an upperhand *cough* nukes *cough*
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
Originally posted by YoungWorld: Somewhere in the near future I see Iran as a problem not only to Isreali security, but also to the stability of the middle-east as a whole. They(Iran) may not act out on their transgressions at the moment but eventually there will be some type of Iranian attack. The question is what should be done to prevent such from ever occuring?
Iran is definitely begining to pose a serious threat to the stability of the Middle East, and instability in the Middle East could throw the globe into a WW3 easily, I think. The problem is that there really is no solution that will make every one happy. Giving back the occupied territiories (West Bank, Gaza Strip, and all that) would make the Arabs happy but Israel won't give them back. Doing anything that makes Israel happy pisses the Arabs off.
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The funny thing about that is the 72 virgins bit is a mistranslation when the Koran was translated in to arabic the orgional text read something along the lines of "72 white raisisns"
Oh that reminds me of a joke I heard... how'd it go... something like, Bin Laden dies and goes to Heaven where he is met by George Washington. Washington is really mad about all the stuff Bin Laden's done to the U.S. and starts beating him up. Pretty soon he's joined by 71 other Americans, all of them beating the snot out of Bin Laden. After they leave this angel comes over to Bin Laden, who says, "This is not what I was promised!". The angel replies, "Come on Bin Laden, I told you there would be 72 Virginians waiting for you in Heaven."
"I know of no safe repository of the ultimate power of society but the people. And if we think them not enlightened enough, the remedy is not to take power from them, but to inform them by education." Thomas Jefferson
Somewhere in the near future I see Iran as a problem not only to Isreali security, but also to the stability of the middle-east as a whole. They(Iran) may not act out on their transgressions at the moment but eventually there will be some type of Iranian attack. The question is what should be done to prevent such from ever occuring?
fanatical suicide bombers who think they're getting seventy-two virgins after they've blown everything in the general vicinity to tiny bits.
The funny thing about that is the 72 virgins bit is a mistranslation when the Koran was translated in to arabic the orgional text read something along the lines of "72 white raisisns"
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
If we're going to start saying that land belongs to the people "who were there first," the whole world had better get ready to pack up and move. If such is the case, America belongs to the Native Americans, Britain belongs to the Britons, Celts, and Picts, most of Africa belongs to the Zulus, and Mexico, Latin America, and a large part of South America belong to the Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas.
Of course, rearranging all the worlds' people to their ancestral homes would be a logistical nightmare, not to mention slightly annoying to the people who have moved in since.
That being said, land belongs to those who can best protect it. I suppose in a more civilized world, land would belong to those to whom it was given, or those who bought it, but if we're talking about the Middle East, a UN partition almost sixty years old isn't liable to be honored. The Israelis are going to have to fight to keep their country safe. It's too late now to force them to move out simply because people don't like their parties being crashed by fanatical suicide bombers who think they're getting seventy-two virgins after they've blown everything in the general vicinity to tiny bits.
Boo-hoo, the Arabs are whining about the Israelis again. No surprise there. But do you realize that the so-called "Occupied Territories" are the direct result of Arab agression when Israel was first created? The UN plan in 1948 divided the soon-to-be nation of Israel into the Arab state and the Israeli state, with Jerusalem being international and open to people of all countries and faiths (especially important considering it is one of the holiest sites in three separate religions). So, Israel/Palestine is formed as such. Immediately following the departure of the last British soldier from the country, nearly all of the Middle East attacks, led by Egypt.
And what happens? Israel fights back. And wins. During the fighting in that war and in later wars (especially the Six Day War of 1967), Israel "occupies" the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights. Spoils of war, if you will. But such would have never happened had the Arab world not attacked Israel right off the bat.
Major oops right there, isn't it?
Iran, of course, isn't helping at all. Before this insistence that a Jewish state be formed in Europe, the Iranian president called for Israel "to be wiped off the face of the Earth." Nice guy, huh? But he's not going to do anything rash so long as the United States stands behind Israel. And that allegiance may not be such a wise idea after all. Israel has a tendency to do things their way, which is usually very much contrary to the way the international community does things. Most of the Arab world, in witnessing an American-made Israeli jet bomb a Lebanese town, see only that the plane was made by America. Thus, by osmosis, it is America who is bombing Lebanon.
It is (misguided) guilt by association, and it's not helping our cause in the Middle East much.
Ah, that was a refreshing rant of sorts. I'm done.
Originally posted by YoungWorld: But they are the best army in the middle-east
No, you think?
That's what YW was saying, amp. That the Jews where there first so they've got a right to that land.
"I know of no safe repository of the ultimate power of society but the people. And if we think them not enlightened enough, the remedy is not to take power from them, but to inform them by education." Thomas Jefferson
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
Not he strongest army in the world Sho thats the US but Israel is easily the best motivated
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
That goes to any and all native people who were displaced from their lands.
If you want to get technical the jews were there first then they were scattered across the globe
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
But like I said, telling the Jews "Oh well we changed out mind, you'll all have to leave." isn't going to help at this point. Now pretty much all we can hope for is that all the killing is going to stop; I think complete peace and tolerance is rather too much to hope for, sadly.
It's a sad day when peace and tolerance is an understatement, it's just too much going on in a rapidly changing world.
But like I said, telling the Jews "Oh well we changed out mind, you'll all have to leave." isn't going to help at this point. Now pretty much all we can hope for is that all the killing is going to stop; I think complete peace and tolerance is rather too much to hope for, sadly.
"I know of no safe repository of the ultimate power of society but the people. And if we think them not enlightened enough, the remedy is not to take power from them, but to inform them by education." Thomas Jefferson
YW, you brought up that this area is the "true home" of the Jews; however, if we follow that line of thinking then we really should give the U.S. back to the Native Americans. After all, they were here first. The same would go for other countries, especially in North and South America.
I'm not trying to fight or anything, just bring up a different perspective. I mean, how would Americans feel if Europe suddenly decided that the Native Americans should have Californa back?
I see what you're saying...The Arabs were there and both claim the land as their Holy Land. This is why there is the presence of violence in the first place as well as the reason that the arabs were displaced in sorts. But they will have to learn how to shair the land that is between them...And the Europeans did take the americas away from the native american, I'm sure they would love to have their rightful land back as well.
That goes to any and all native people who were displaced from their lands.
Alright, I have to admit that giving the Jews this land does bother me. No think about it, Jews hadn't lived there in any significant numbers for ages. Then all of a sudden the rest of the world decides that they can take the land from the Arabs who have been living there... I can see why the Arab community is so upset. However I am NOT saying that the terrorism is right, or that Israel should now be moved. I think it's too late for something like that.
YW, you brought up that this area is the "true home" of the Jews; however, if we follow that line of thinking then we really should give the U.S. back to the Native Americans. After all, they were here first. The same would go for other countries, especially in North and South America.
I'm not trying to fight or anything, just bring up a different perspective. I mean, how would Americans feel if Europe suddenly decided that the Native Americans should have Californa back?
"I know of no safe repository of the ultimate power of society but the people. And if we think them not enlightened enough, the remedy is not to take power from them, but to inform them by education." Thomas Jefferson
Such a call from such, is unhuman not to mention a thought prevoking assessment that this Iranian state should be kept under close eye of all free nations of the world. Let history remind us that the lands of which Isreal and Palestine occupy are the true home of the Jew in the first place. Throughout history we've learned of how numerous empires and regiems removed the jew from the land that they are so desperately trying to hold to which that is theirs in the first place.
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