quote:Look, Megz. I don't know what country you're from, but what if I stood in front of you and started waving a burning flag of your country in your face yelling,"It's just a stupid piece of fabric! It means nothing to me!" How would you feel? I don't know about you, but if I were you I would tackle myself down to the ground and knock his lights out for saying that to my country.
ok...this proves a bit of ignorance...i hope you really wouldnt do that..because if you are, your proving that you have the innability to solve certain problems, and so you resort to pysical force..can you not use your head? why not say: "hey, thats my countries flag, i dont appreciate you doing that, do you know what that represents? blah blah and all of that other patriot b/s" see thats alot more of an intelligent solution right? saves some pain trouble and energy... again...the flag is a peice of fabric, who cares what it represents. yes i love living in america, and the freedoms that comes with it, but i do not agree with my government, especially at a time like this, the flag is a government icon, sure you can make up what ever else you want for it, but its really just a piece of fabric that says for wherever it is that it supports the u.s. governemt, whether it be on a house, a car, or mcdonalds, so by me burning this flag, im saying,i support my country, i do not support the government and its desiscions...and beleive me...what we are doing right now is terrible..we made a humungous foreign policy mistake...and the only reason we did do it is because we can blow up anyone who wants do disagree with force...now we have come to a time where the most powerful country is the country with the most powerful distructive forces...the u.n. doesnt matter anymore... we proved that a few months ago... we are losing stability in this world...hopefully our next president, after bush gets re-elected, which he will considering he stole the office the last time, will be a little wiser...but i fear for the worst...because the president will most likely be human...and humans feed off of power...whatever im just ranting and raving now sorry good bye -mike
First of all, burning the flag is usually not intended an act of rejecting the constitution (and in matters like these it's the thought that counts), but a way of protesting what this country, or the leaders of this country, are doing. either way, though, the first amendment gives us the unalienable right to express are opinions and make them heard in ways non-harmful to others, be it burning the flag to protest an unneccesary war, egging cardboard cutouts of the president in your backyard (I have never done that, but only because I have no cardboard cutouts of Bush), or posting things on this site. And there is a reason the first amendment is first. On the other hand, though, the only argument for illegalizing flag burning is "It's just not right." Anti-flagburners, the constitution is not on your side.
Personally, though, I think it silly to buy a flag just to burn it (and flags probably don't burn very cleanly), but it is even sillier to tell people they can't. And if it ever becomes illegal again, I feel it would be my duty as an american to burn a flag, if only to take a case to the Supreme Court and get the law overruled.
PS: And also what Mark Twain said (see post below)
Mark Twin was a great guy and he said lots of interesting things. I heard this at an Ani Difranco Concert. This is Mr.Twin and myself's respose.
"You see my kind of loyalty was loyalty to one's country, not to its institutions, or its office holders. The country is the real thing, the substantial thing, the eternal thing; it is the thing to watch over, and care for, and be loyal to; institutions are extraneous, they are its mere clothing, and clothing can wear out, become ragged, cease to be comfortable, cease to protect the body from winter, disease, and death. To be loyal to rags, to shout for rags, to worship rags, to die for rags--this is loyalty to unreason, it is pure animal; it belongs to monarchy, was invented by monarchy; let monarchy keep it." - Mark Twain
you're assuming that all of us equate the flag with the historical and constitutional aspects of the united states. however, some people burn the flag in protest of the current government's actions. some people believe that it is the government that has betrayed the ideas behind the constitution.
protesters burn flags, not copies of our constitution. i think that this is significant.
quote: Even though I am not from the states, I still very strong on this subject. I think that people should be allowed to burn the flag. While some see it as an act of disrespect, others see it as merely burning some fabric. I can understand how people can be upset over it but really, all it is is a piece of fabric. It is the same as when women burned their bras over women's rights I think it was. It didn't really accomplish anything and they only ended up with one less bra. But the same idea is there. By burning the flag, it doens't harm anyone, it just means that the nation has to make another flag. Big deal!
Look, Megz. I don't know what country you're from, but what if I stood in front of you and started waving a burning flag of your country in your face yelling,"It's just a stupid piece of fabric! It means nothing to me!" How would you feel? I don't know about you, but if I were you I would tackle myself down to the ground and knock his lights out for saying that to my country.
For the people who all think it's okay to burn the flag: Why do we have the flag in the first place? Do we just keep it there for decoration? Or do we just have it to show that we know how to make stuff out of fabric? I don't think so. Every part of the flag represents something to the country. -The 13 stripes: the 13 colonies that united against the British. -The stars: the 50 states that were created after the fight for independence. -the color red: signifies the valor and bravery of the people who fought for the independence of our country. -the color white: signifies purity and innocence -the color blue: signifies vigilance, perserverance, and justice
So when you burn the flag, you're saying,"I don't care about the 13 colonies that united together for independence. I don't care for any of the states, even the state I live in. I don't care about how brave the men were who fought for independence. They just wasted their lives fighting because it was a useless cause. The innocence and purity of our country when it was first made was nothing. It's just a piece of land where we stand on. I don't want justice. I don't care that my country provides justice for all, including me. I don't care that people around me work hard to do what is right for our country. I hate it. I don't care that my country is watching out over us. I don't care about my country at all. Most of all I don't care that my country allows me the right to free speech." But what you are literally doing is saying that you have no right to free speech and all those other rights you get in the Constitution. When you burn the flag, you take away your rights, your own freedom, something I know you truly enjoy. So why burn the flag? You want your rights but by burning the flag, you're just saying you don't want your rights at all. So why burn the flag? You may say that it's your right to free speech. Yeah, right, saying you have the right to free speech still when you burn the flag. You're giving the impression that you don't want your rights, when you burn the flag. (Sorry if I was repetitive).
quote: This is my debut on Youth Noise. Anyway, hell yeah I think people should be allowed to burn the american flag. By burning the flag, its not hurting anybody else.
Even though I am not from the states, I still very strong on this subject. I think that people should be allowed to burn the flag. While some see it as an act of disrespect, others see it as merely burning some fabric. I can understand how people can be upset over it but really, all it is is a piece of fabric. It is the same as when women burned their bras over women's rights I think it was. It didn't really accomplish anything and they only ended up with one less bra. But the same idea is there. By burning the flag, it doens't harm anyone, it just means that the nation has to make another flag. Big deal!
this is interesting...personally i think its funny...but the one thing thats true is humans are disgusting..and silly..why get so worked up over a piece of fabric? who cares what it stands for? this country was built because people wanted to break away from an evil empire...and now what are we? kind of ironic...and now we sit at the top of the world... we have the strongest weapons and the strongest army..no one will mess with us...sure nothing bad has come of it so far, but its when you hand keys to weapons of mass destruction to a rootin tootin cowboy who thinks he's john wayne(idea for that last sentence was taken from jello biafra...) its when things start to get bad...all great nations fall eventually... i dont see why people have so much pride in this country? i guess its because the media only portraits us as the good guys...its just a flag...if i burn it, and you dont like watching me burn it, i will laugh at your ignorance if you get worked up about it, its not like you matter to me, i would love a good laugh so please e-mail me saying your going to hurt me, because of my lack of support for this country...
If you burn it properly ( i think its something like stripe by stripe and star by star?? ) and because it has holes or is torn or something, yeah, it's respectful then. But if you burn it for the fun of burning something, no. Go burn paper. Or the dead leaves in your back yard!
Yo, what up. This is my debut on Youth Noise. Anyway, hell yeah I think people should be allowed to burn the american flag. By burning the flag, its not hurting anybody else. As far as loyalty to the country goes, who said anyone had to be loyal to their country. I didn't ask to be born in this country. Hell this world is so cruel,corrupt, and full of so much apathy, I didn't even ask to be born in this world. There's alot of corruption in the american government. They are tyrants. And when they do something that the people don't approve of, there's not much we can do about it individually. But if the people unite, oh we can definitely make an impact. But that's not likely to happen because not too many people have the balls to stand up to authority. So flag burning is a perfect way to rebel against the evil american government.
burning the flag is like spiting on your contry [metaforicly speeking] it shouldent be illegal but y would u wana burn it ne way? burning the flag is like saying u dont want your rites is that wat thous ppl want?
I really don't see why anyone would want to burn a flag. Stupid. Last year when I was really pissed about the Patriot Act I considered burning my flag but I just looked at it and couldn't bear the thought. None of the government's outrages thus far would morally justify burning that lovely flag. There is only one crime which would justify flagburning: a law against it. The moment that happens, the USA is no more. Fortunately, most of Congress isn't dumb enough for it to pass, so there's a good chance my flag and my lighter will never have to be in the same room.
It's not really a literal thing, 'cause if you burn the flag, then it may get some people annoyed, but it really is when stuff like 9/11 happens that people get but mainly because the realise that other people have no respect for the countr they love and when you burn the American flag it is like saying " I hate America and this is all they derserve"
I still think one of the best things about living in our country is that you still have the right to burn the flag. The flag stands for the right of you to burn it. While I personally would never burn a flag I don't think it is one of the worst things you can do. If you don't agree with the government and if that's what you think would make some difference go ahead. I'm going to respect my flag and country but I don't care if you don't.
Symbol or no, it's still just a flag. It's not like they are burning the constitution or something. It's a viable way to call media attention to a demonstration that would most likely go unnoticed.
In addition, once you start banning things like this, what's next? I sure as hell know. First a few more bans, then a few more, then a whole lot. And then, BAMF!, we're living in tyranny. Course, it'll probably happen anyway, but I'm hoping not in my lifetime.
Why would anyone with any maturity level let alone a brain even want to burn the flag. So, you don't agree with something the government has done SPEAK out don't disrespect while doing it.
Is it so difficult for some of you to understand that making flag-burning illegal is much worse for America than the burning of flags? Soldiers don't go off and fight in defense of a literal flag. Soldiers fight and die in defense of this country. Would it really be worth it to risk death to defend a country that you must blindly obey and never disagree with? That's stupid. In essence, what the flag stands for is the right to burn the flag. Making it illegal to burn the flag would make what the flag symbolizes considerably less valuable.
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burning the flag is like saying u dont want your rites is that wat thous ppl want? 
then it may get some people annoyed, 
but it really is when stuff like 9/11 happens that people get 
because the realise that other people 
have no respect for the countr they love 
