Kg is correct, look into the Supreme Court ruling that says burning the flag is a right protected by the constitution and any law that says otherwise is an infringement against the right to free-speech. So by your logic you are the anti-American and you’re the one, to quote the goss stepping far right, that should get the hell out. Also I find it very funny how people bash Berkley, which I went to for a Quarter, yet have completely no idea what the school is like. There is a very good amount of conservative students who go to Berkeley but the media only shows the Radical Liberal side because we all know that they make for better entertainment.
since burning the flag is (currently) my constitutional right, and you desire to take it away, then it is you who is the traitor to america.
burning the flag does not mean that the person hates the freedoms that america supposedly stands for. it means that the person hates what america is doing or has done - which is often contradictory to the ideal of freedom. stop confusing loyalty to the current government with loyalty to american ideals. that's a simple-minded mistake and just shows how easily you're able to be manipulated.
billy - evidently you have a problem with berkeley's liberal history which includes some of the best speeches and actions for the civil rights movement. stop throwing a tantrum and argue your side. but if you insist on taking such a simplistic stance, then it really is you who should leave since you evidently have lost faith in our constitution and would prefer a society that universally believes and fights for whatever the government tells you to.
i can't stand you orwellian goose-steppers. you bring nothing to the table except hypocrisy and an overly-simplistic mind-set.
quote: My rights go as until they infringe on anothers. If you dont agree with anything i believe that is your RIGHT, but dont for one ******* second tell me to leave because i used my freedom of speech.
ok, can I tell you to leave because you are a stupid piece of ****??? FU!! Go live in Afgahnistan like that other clown from Berkley(where else), and become a traitor, so that we can come get you to. Have a nice day....and try not to let the big bad man get you. loser
As long as it's your own flag that you bought and paid for, and you're not lighting people on fire or something, it shouldn't matter if the flag is burned. I think it looks sorta cool to see a flaming, ripped and tattered flag still standing tall, even though that's not really the point the protestors are trying to make. I think it just shows that we've all been through fire and hell, but we still survived.
Maybe Caerat3 your the one who should leave if you do not believe in what the US supposedly stands for. I can say **** bush, **** America, **** you all day because it is my right. My rights go as until they infringe on anothers. If you dont agree with anything i believe that is your RIGHT, but dont for one ******* second tell me to leave because i used my freedom of speech.
Emperor I'd give you the finger for saying that if i didn't know better. that's Bull and if you feel that way then leave the U.S. now and don't come back.
And LadyMetalhead, It's not like we tried to kill civilians. War is not pretty, and the death of innocent people is unavoidable, being the Armies of both sides mostly innocents.
So many of you think y'all are doing something good bye dissing your country but you are too ignorant to realize how lucky you arew to be here. So if you're gonna keep being babies and saying 'I hate you' to America go live in a different country. We don't need you.
They use the flag to control us Brainwash us to be their patrotic slaves Programs our minds by controlling what we learn The only difference from the nazis is that Someone tried to stop them RED WHITE AND BRAINWASHED RED WHITE AND BRAINWASHED RED WHITE AND BRAINWASHED RED WHITE AND BRAINWASHED The government says they're working for us Just as long as we increase their pay But the minute they get into office we're a has-been A yesterday RED WHITE AND BRAINWASHED RED WHITE AND BRAINWASHED RED WHITE AND BRAINWASHED RED WHITE AND BRAINWASHED The red stands for the blood of all the people We've slain The white for this racist, bigoted foundation The blue for your arayan eyes -- all empty Empty because you're taught to bow down to the man "Fly that flag, that flag of freedom" "Do what you can for your country" Go and fight their wars for them "They're not following in our footsteps, KILL THEM!" RED WHITE AND BRAINWASHED RED WHITE AND BRAINWASHED RED WHITE AND BRAINWASHED RED WHITE AND BRAINWASHED They call that being a patriot I just call it ignorant If you don't fight to make things better Then you're the one betraying the country RED WHITE AND BRAINWASHED RED WHITE AND BRAINWASHED RED WHITE AND BRAINWASHED RED WHITE AND BRAINWASHED RED WHITE AND BRAINWASHED RED WHITE AND BRAINWASHED RED WHITE AND BRAINWASHED RED WHITE AND BRAINWASHED RED WHITE AND BRAINWASHED RED WHITE AND BRAINWASHED
Burning the flag should be legal, and there should be no question about the legality. Why? After the killing of an estimated 3,240 Iraqi civilians, this country's flag should be burned.
I find it hard to believe that somebody would burn their nation's flag, but I have heard that it has happend before. If you live in a nation, which there are many around the world, you should be proud to be a part of that nation and live by that nation's law. Of course we don't see that all the time, and it could cause some serious punishment. I live in America, but I was born in South Korea. I love both of my countries, nevertheless, I'd never burn either flag (which I have). yes, the generation before us have failed us. It is usthat has to confront themand tell them that what they are doing to our nation, our livesis wrong. We have to take the stand and voice our oppinion appropriatly, and at appropriate times.
quote:If listening to you includes beating your ***, then I guess your point gets made. Nice try with all the symbolism, but you fall pretty short. I don't care if the flag has 13 stars in a circle or a picture of a duck on it, it represents this country, and it represents the things many in this world do not have. It represents my family who believed in this country, who were part of building it and defending it.
If you burn our flag, then basically you get no respect from me, I don't care what you are trying to prove! In short you suck!
again, please light yourselves on fire!
In the words of my grandfather, who fought for America during World War 2(over Bush I supporting the anti-flag burning Amendment)"Its nothing but a symbol. If you burn that symbol, what it stands for still remains. Now I fought for that flag, and God da** it, I can burn it if I da** well please!"
If we ban flag burning, then we should follow the guidelines of a book all about flag etiquette. That means, no more bloody flags on cars, shirts, ties, pins, etc. since the American flag is only supposed to fly free.
For those uneducated, look up the Supreme Court case, Texas v. Johnson. A lot of the flag burning controversy can be found in that case.
the first two freedoms might (or might not be) true but you can't promise people freedom from hate and fear. That is something that people have to overcome themselves. It's not something controlled by laws, rather chemicles and genes and maybe our souls.
what were the founding fathers drinking?
just look @ us, we might be better off than some, but we still fear war and a corrupt gov. and economicle prob.s and we hate just as much as people anywhere else (it might seem like more because we have the freedom to express it).
The American Flag represents our country. It represents our founding fathers and what they did to make America great. It represents the four freedoms all Americans, that are born, are born into, the freedom of religion, the freedom of speech, the freedom from hate and the freedom from fear. When people Pledge to the Flag, they are pledging to an ideal. A great society, a society founded upon the rights and the freedoms of people and of their lives.
And on those rights, all Americans know that their rights and their freedoms will never be cut off or even shortended. That's why, if the flag burning law takes affect and it becomes illegal to burn the flag [which is a right/freedom every American has] it will be a sad day for America and all its citizens. It'll be the day when our rights/freedoms are shortened, so instead of doing what we want to get our opinoin and our ideas heard we will now have to follow a law, and not be able to protest, say what you say, use your god given freedoms and rights the way you want to use them, then that is no longer America. We will only become as good as our enemies, who take all the power away from the citizens, think Hitler. And we're better than them.
I just want to say one last thing: Is there a rash of flag burning going on in the United States that nobody knows about?
I said that these people should move to Canada in a satirical manner I know they won't leave, because they'd have to give up there freedoms as an American.
i don't think they'll do it. it's that whole freedom of expression deal. i don't think it's a cool thing to do, i love america, though i don't always like what we do or represent
i don't say the pledge because i have a problem with pledging my alligence to anything but myself. and it's not so easy as moving to canada, but i get what you mean. all countries have sirious problems... all.
i want to know what the big deal is about the flag touching the ground... why is that still around? that's so cliche...
If you feel the need to burn the American flag, you obviously have discrepancies with the government and/or people living in the country. In this case, you have the full liberty of leaving the country. If you dislike it, move to Canada.
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that's Bull and if you feel that way then leave the U.S. now and don't come back.
I know they won't leave, because they'd have to give up there freedoms as an American.
