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Picture of clpo13
Registered: November 05, 2004
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Arent the Panzers the best divisions?


Indeed. And they're what the Soviets fought. Haven't you ever played Call of Duty?


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Registered: June 04, 2004
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actually we should give it up for russias performance in WW2. Hitler sent the majority of his crack divisions to the east, because that was where his casualties were pouring in from. Hitlers best armored divisions and stormtroopers were all deployed on the eastern front.


Arent the Panzers the best divisions?

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russians also fought a massively bloody battle to capture Berlin.


Yea only later to achieve the very thing that hitler wanted to achive: the conquest of Europe.

The enivronmental devastation is due mostly to their own communistic ideas.


Honorable Senate Majority Leader (R-WI) "Liberals have gone stark-raving mad, yes,"- Euterpe
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where were the Americans until 1944? we went to war because Poland was attacked, Hitler wanted us as an ally yet we enterered the war after every diplomatic tool was exhausted, why are the Yanks so desperate to get involved in wars now? why did you wait so long when it was obvious so many peoples freedoms were at stake?

WE were not attacked in WW2 before we entered, we entered when poland was invaded, YOU did not enter until directly attacked. so shut your mouth you ignorant fool.


I am not saying our coutnry is perfect. We were trying to stay out of other countries' affairs. Isn't that what you are telling us we should do now? concerning Iraq?

I am an ignorant fool? This is insulting not only tom yintelligence but your credibility. Heed YNMod 4's reasoning.
I didnt disrepect your country, nor have I ever poor mouthed Britian. I probably never will.

Simply because I say Clinton was a horrible leader doesnt mean I am saying America is a horrible country.

Do you get my point?


Honorable Senate Majority Leader (R-WI) "Liberals have gone stark-raving mad, yes,"- Euterpe
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So you're saying the appeasement only whetted Hitler's taste for other countries?


What I am saying is, Chamberlain tried to appease him while Europe was falling. While he was showing a clear cut case for aggression, Chamberlain was trying to talk with him. Thats my point. He sacrficed other countries. No one with such traits should be allowed to lead.


Honorable Senate Majority Leader (R-WI) "Liberals have gone stark-raving mad, yes,"- Euterpe
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Registered: June 20, 2005
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riskbreaker is right.

britain was key in WW2

but no more key than america....... or for that matter Russia who fought the majority of Hitlers men on the eastern front.

actually we should give it up for russias performance in WW2. Hitler sent the majority of his crack divisions to the east, because that was where his casualties were pouring in from. Hitlers best armored divisions and stormtroopers were all deployed on the eastern front.

a lot of small offensives on the western front and points of unusually strong resistance were actually orchestrated by hitler to buy time on the east. an example being the staunch resistance in the argonne forest.

the soviet army killed and capturesd more enemy troops and territory than the rest of the allies did. they lost more soldiers, and their homeland was more devestated (these things are partially their fault though).

russians also fought a massively bloody battle to capture Berlin.

Although the soviet union was not necessarillly the best government in many ways, the russian people and country deserves a serious hand as well as britain and the us. no france......definately no france....mayb french resistance, but then again partisan/resistance/underground activity was way way higher in the eastern european slavic countries.
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Registered: April 24, 2005
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not when said person is insulting my Nation, by claiming we are respobsible for failing to stop hitler taking over much of europe. I happen to be very proud of british achievment in ww2 and will not have us belittled after all the blood we sweated fighting the fascists.


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Registered: July 14, 2005
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Well unless the ignorant fool in question is in his late 70's I highly doubt that saud ignorant fool had much to do with it at all... Lets try attacking the issue and not the person... is that reasonable?


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Registered: April 24, 2005
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Because of his appeasement, half of Europe fell.


where were the Americans until 1944? we went to war because Poland was attacked, Hitler wanted us as an ally yet we enterered the war after every diplomatic tool was exhausted, why are the Yanks so desperate to get involved in wars now? why did you wait so long when it was obvious so many peoples freedoms were at stake?

WE were not attacked in WW2 before we entered, we entered when poland was invaded, YOU did not enter until directly attacked. so shut your mouth you ignorant fool.


'it's better to have your ministers inside the tent pissing out than outside, pissing in'
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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So you're saying the appeasement only whetted Hitler's taste for other countries? The man would have undoubtedly taken over all of Europe whether Neville Chamberlain had given him Czechoslovakia or not. Of course, this is all in the past. Nothing we say or do now can change that. With Bush, however, there's still a chance to stop him before things get too much out of hand.


The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: June 04, 2004
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lol. the British people demanded his head for his appeasment. its not that he wanted to avoid war, its because he wouldnt go to war. PERIOD. Because of his appeasement, half of Europe fell.


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Registered: November 05, 2004
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Those Dominicans...they're pure evil. Just kidding. I hope no one in here is a Dominican.

Red, in another life, you must have been a warrior. Attack first, ask questions later. That's what you're always saying (just in different, more complex terms). Appeasement in the years immediately prior to World War II was a good idea. It was only too bad that Hitler and Mussolinni were too greedy to live with what they were given. Thus, it wasn't Chamberlain's fault. He did what he could given the circumstances.


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Registered: December 11, 2003
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Take in mind half the time I'm sarcastic.

But yes, in some ways I admire Hitler. In some ways I wish he never existed.


"Regardless, I have always, and will always, succeed."
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Yes. For his persuasive and charismatic reasons, because I'm a control freak like that and I crave power. And he was a genius, evil, but genius. It has nothing to do with his racial hate reasons as I only dislike one ethnic group (or nationality), Dominicans.


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Are you a hitler supporter Celtic?


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Seeing as how Nazism is no longer a great threat, I might also try to reinstate the Bellamy Salute (the fascists stole it and we stopped using it in 1942). It was started by a man named Bellamy (based it off the Roman Salute) for the US Department of Education, and it is the proper way to salute the American flag.
For those of you in Rio Linda, the Bellamy Salute consists of two movements:
1. Raise the right arm so that your upper arm is parallel with the ground at shoulder height and your lower arm is bent 90 degrees to the right, hand outstretched touching the heart.
2. Snap the lower right arm and hand forward so that it forms a straight line with the upper arm. Fingers outstretched and entire arm slanted slightly upwards from the shoulder.

I got my patrol at camp to do it in unison... sweetest thing you've ever seen.


Admit it dear, you support Hitler. You're not the only one. I have a few Hitler posters in my room.

But still, if you're going to do the Heil Hitler thing, mean it, don't change its original meaning. But I should use my own advice as I also have those little Soviet communist symbol-things in my room yet I hate communism.

Don't burn things. Really, its effects don't last and you'll stench of smoke later on, although that's really good in warding off mosquitoes.


"Regardless, I have always, and will always, succeed."
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Registered: June 04, 2004
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can people burn a picture of george bush? or would it be slandering idiocy as we know it?


can people burn a picture of neville chamberlain? or would it be slandering cowardice as we know it?


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Registered: December 14, 2004
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Well didnt nazis burn american flags? I think that flag burrning should be ileagal. Its pretty much slandering democracy as we know it.


How is it "slandering" democracy? Flag burning is a protest. It is a way of utilizing the freedom of speech.

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can people burn a picture of george bush? or would it be slandering idiocy as we know it?


Nice, risk.


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Registered: April 24, 2005
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can people burn a picture of george bush? or would it be slandering idiocy as we know it?


'it's better to have your ministers inside the tent pissing out than outside, pissing in'
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Registered: July 31, 2005
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Well didnt nazis burn american flags? I think that flag burrning should be ileagal. Its pretty much slandering democracy as we know it.


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With Nazi horros fresh in my mind after watching a documentary, i have to agree that" heil hitler" salute should not be brought back. Especially since it is such a sensitive subject.


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