right now i dont think this is a time for war...but if anything else happens such as a terrorist attack or threats from iraq of afghanistan...then i can see that we need to defend ourselves with war.....but for now....i dont think it is quite the right time....

*sighs*i'll work on my english,thanks for telling me.and yeah that's what i meant.

a human being's first need is living(eat and drink safety and then human rights),the problem in africa is basic,as a world,now we can't even solve this,shame on us.
so many people are in need,we can't take good care of them,and now for saddam we are wasting more time and money on him,hanging over other people's lives.i hate it
the UN said,whether the war is going on or not,they'll overthrow saddam and his regime,so...what's the choice?

good day...weather changes all the time.

Hi CathayKid,

Good post. Afghanistan is not a "proposed" war. I think you need to look at the word and figure out what you really want to say in English. Maybe you just mean it is not yet ended.

True, it will take lots of time for a positive effect to be felt in that region. But we are glad we can help. The country of Afghanistan is like a fourth world country. Right now they need our help even more than Africa or India. Hard to have these priorities when you know people are dying, but we have to do what we feel is best at the time.

What is the time factor for building the pipeline from Iran through Afghanistan to China? It is important that the region be stable in order for that construction to happen.

Just so you know, I was not being totally sarcastic with respect to spoken languages. In may family we speak French, German, Spanish, Arabic, Russian and Serbian.

Have a good day - how's the weather?

i'm from the southeast

well this is a cycle.people think the UN is useless and don't pay it,and UN don't get any improvement.
logically if any country doesn't need the UN at all it could quit,but right now almost all the nations of the UN are still indebted at the same time interposing,whether they can afford or not.it's all good though,or this world just gets worse.but wait,it can't last long,or else this world still gets worse.
UN needs to get the ax right now seriously,they did do something in the history,but in the wars recently UN's been just a tool.

about iraq i have different view.as a person Saddam isn't worth anyone's life,i mentioned that wherever...
as a country iraq is absolutely "unlucky"
before the war between iran and iraq,their GDP or something like that was 5500 USD,even after that(or maybe the gulf war?),they still got over 4000 USD,way more than china right now.saddam has been there since 1979,before the country went down.he's not the only problem,though he's the biggest.no wonder the people in iraq hate foreigners so much,they must be thinking it's all the UN and the US government's fault.in their eyes it's not saddam who cut off the trade.
this war isn't just taking away saddam,almost all the people there are brainwhashed and supporting saddam,how evil,kill them all?where do they go when you bomb iraq?they leave iraq legally or die there.by the way the hiding terrorists can leave with the refugees.does anyone still accept the refugees any more?how do you know the young kids lost the parents in the earlier wars aren't future terrorists?in case they may become the new threat should they be killed before anything happens?

this war isn't the afghanistan one.the UN and the rest of the world supported that war,that is called a proposed war.the now only problem is that the war isn't done.the new government has got a long way to go to rebuild this country,i though it would be a break off,i thought they would finish this thing intently,but no,it's the begenning.i'm afraid the list of axis of evil ain't too short,so who's next?ever since your president started,much more following.we don't agree every time,war isn't right all the time either.

china is all messed up,in the last 50 years since P.R.China founded,about 3 more events happened,wasted us about over 20 years,and we need an amicable international environment to solve all the problems.we don't want war to become a trend.china is old and we are tired,our government is young and they can't handle this in a fighting world.we tend to be peaceable,the government is right now disarming our army,talking about economical issues in the national meeting.the meeting is our basic political system,making all our decisions.
besides,in my opinion,since we have so many problems which are much more serious,what are we doing?talking about humanity leaving the hugry people in africa,india,etc,is that humanistic at all?
but actually,the chinese government isn't doing much in this case.not as naive as i anyway,i care about the issues in chinese forums,but in this place i talk about the topic.

i'm interested in china as well,i know i don't know much of it,living in the southeast and i found i didn't understand the province right beside me at all.for a overweighted country like this i wish we could have peace for a while.

you are from china? cool, what part?

CathayKid,

Just so you know.

I might jab and probe, but don't feel slighted in the least, because I respect your opinion and I appreciate your posts.

I have great interest in China and India. Someday I would like to visit Australia and Malaysia. Years ago, I saw beautiful pictures of Viet Nam too.

The way I look at these confrontations and international matters where eruptions occur is that they are "blips" on the map of the globe and the international community. If there is an eruption, I hope it is quick, decisive, and that then we can get back to creating something worthwhile for the good of humanity and for ourselves and the world.

Love and Peace,
ms

U.S. paid its fair share of tax when it was determined what it should be. U.S. was not paying tax because the citizens of the U.S. pretty much think the UN is a useless body that is ineffective.

Are we going to be proved right again?

As to the U.S. troops being at Iraq's border, it is Germany and France who is hiding behind that threat of force. There is no force at the moment, the U.S. military is standing and waiting the instructions of U.S. president. If we feel it is necessary, they will be sent into action.

You really believe that the brutal Saddam Hussein would actually do anything right now if it were not for our troops being at his border?

Just understand one other thing too. No one knew the total scope of Saddam Hussein's terrible extremes during the Persian Gulf War. We only found out about the testing on animals with the gasses and chemicals after that war was over.

We tried. We did not intrude and take out Saddam during the Persian Gulf War. We made a huge mistake. After that war, he had two daughters who married brothers. Those brothers left Iraq with their wives. Those brothers told horrific stories about the practices of Saddam. Saddam spoke with them, said all is forgiven. You come back to Iraq. They all returned. He instructed his daughters to divorce the men and then he killed the men.

I am astounded that you put this kind of person ahead in your mind. You put him ahead of the American people. The American people are the government.

Listen, in China, you have your own issues. Why don't you tackle some of those?

As to Afghanistan, we did not attack Afghanistan. We attacked an outlaw bunch who deserved nothing. The Afghan people are happy we are there. They are happy to be rid of the evil, bullying and killing of innocent people.

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Recently, however, I think a year or two ago, we paid our "tax." So that should make you very happy.

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yep
i remember that,like 0.3 billion out of the 1 billion tax you should've paid for the recently few years
and i remember when.
right after 9/11,willing to bomb Afghanistan,when you needed the voice.not paying to get it working,paying to buy the support.

uh huh yeah i agree,at least don't don't send their soldiers to get the oil in control.whatever their motivation is they are making contribution to peace.

well thanks for the sarcasm madsaddam.i was born in 1987 in the chinese way i can be 16 though,whatever,my english sucks.
i'd rather learn german and french but they don't give the lessons at my school~

CathayKid, are you really only 16 years old?

You have very good English. Do you speak German and French too? How about Russian? And what about Arabic?

U.S. had not paid its "tax" to UN for some time in the past. The UN was totally and rightfully viewed as an ineffectual body that did nothing. So we did not pay the "tax."

Recently, however, I think a year or two ago, we paid our "tax." So that should make you very happy.

My thinking about the so-called European view on the Iraq-US matter is that the Euros, namely France, Germany, and Russia are a bunch of wimps who do not want you to know the truth. These countries all have an interest in Iraq, monentary interests, and they have supplied materials to Iraq, most recently, and of course we had also, in the past - way before the Persian Gulf War.

So are they afraid that if US soldiers get killed it will actually be with stuff they supplied to Iraq?

it's ok tightcat
my mind sometimes goes too fast and my composing can't follow it which makes the whole post confusing.sorry about that.

basically,according to the reasons you go for the war,i was saying:
1,in this war the most victims will not be the terrorists,if you want to get rid of terrorism,this war isn't gonna work.plus destryong Iraq will leave you more problems in return.
2,Saddam is evil but the country itself is innocent.if saddam's death will cost anyone's life then you should find another way.UN(just for example,there are alot more international associations handling this kind of problems instead of a country) should take care of it.i agree that UN is weak or whatever,but if you don't mind,i suggest you to waste a little more time on my earlier posts,i explained why and how to solve.
3.iraq isn't as dangerous as you think(see what they've got and what they risk once they do something)/perhaps they are dangerous but this war can't make it "harmless".it may even give Saddam more reasons and the people more hatred to attack this world.
4,the bush saddam thing isn't making sense does it?it was immoderate and i apologize.but bush is hypocritical+militant anyway.i don't like his attitude,saying "i don't want this war either"(can't remmember clearly,i heard him mention this lately),and look at your soldiers they are prepared.he didn't even have the will to solve the problem without force.

i am not trying yo be rude here, but you need to slow down and try and make sense.. your posts are very hard to follow and many things make no sense at all.. i am not making fun of your writing , heck i am not the best writer but i truly can't follow the majority of what you say.. so next post, slow down and maybe try and proof read your posts.. maybe then i can answer some of your questions.

I appreciate that someone still reads it anyway...Same old arguement.

A fair war is about "fight and fight back",this one is gonna be about "kill and be killed".It just brings this world more problems.They have gas and terrorists all over the world no matter you destroy the country or not.Terrorism doesn't have nationality,THEY DON'T NEED IT.This war isn't even gonna work.Do you really think you have to kill the hostages just to get Saddam?!You are already in his trap,the "smart" people.Saddam loves you.Whatever.
They are fighting with Saddam but they bomb the country,wth?!It isn't even a legal govenrment.
Saddam is a threat to this world,terrorism is a threat to this world,a war can be a threat to this world as well,how is Iraq also a threat to this world?This country is out of this world,the so-called "missile" can reach at least several kilometres away from the target,when the US government can counts in centimetres.They don't have schools,don't even have enough food,their men died in the earlier wars,the women and kids r dying as well.Even if they try to spread the virus,according to their
hygienical apparatus they may get infected before they get out of Iraq.
Well I'm not afraid of Saddam,he doesn't have a place to hide.I'm afraid of Bush.At least nobody would label Saddam as "justice",he wouldn't get ready to set off at the same time acting decent discussing in UN,he does what he wants and we know what he'll do.UN can take off the government,but once we say no to the US government we get bashed.
I see many people cuss on European saying they should die or whatever,just because they disagree.See how fair some people can be.We are fair to you anyway.We even vote and discuss about it as a matter,and what do you do?You think we shouldn't care,now we do so we are idiots.You don't pay UN the tax even though you can afford,now you blame them for not "working",saying "UN is useless".another excuse uh huh?

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Have you been paying ANY attention at ALL to ANYTHING? I have NEVER heard ANYONE say anything about Iraq attacking, or attempting to attack the US directly. The reason that Saddam is a threat is because he helps fund, train, and equip terrorists who WILL attack the US directly. Also he is a threat to many of his neighboring countries as well as the people in his own country. Screw all you damn hippies.

Let the UN inspectors work more. Saddam has started to destroy his weapons. Anyway, he would never be stupid enough to make the first move. The only way Saddam will attack us is if we attack first. We will see his retaliation; Saddam does not have enough support to start a war against the USA.

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Killing others to keep yourselves safe isn't justice.

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WHAT!?!!! I wish that all the people who are opposed to the war wouldnt be protected by it. Its a shame that our soilders have to defend such an ungrateful bunch of whiny *******s.

I hate saying people are selfish because everyone is,but the 57% Americans said "yes" in the whatever vote are just that selfish.
Look,this is the "Global Community",have a global view,have the least sympathy for the rest of the world.
When you can defend yourself you are still finding reasons to hurt others saying you "have to" without making sure you'll get Saddam.Killing others to keep yourselves safe isn't justice.
I guess Bin Laden was thinking in the same way,he wasn't just killing,he was killing to do something.Like take over this world or any rediculous goal.He must be thinking "I'm not killing you people,you just have to die or I can't get what I want."
Actually Saddam still thinks the US government will not bomb Iraq,that's why he still acts so tough.But this time he's wrong the US government doesn't care about the hostages waiting for death that much.

You want to wait? For what your nightly bath and then boom! Come on the guy is a nut job and he is the one we want, we dont want to hurt innocent people but sometimes it happenes and I cant say i like it but that is just the way it works.

In the spirit of "Marine" and Bush Supporter, I agree. It is already clear that we have no other options, believe me, I think that war isn't a great thing either, but that is how this has to resolved. I am yet to read anything that is against war, but has any alternative solution. Gee, is that because there isn't one?