this is one in many articles I have been finding as "human shields" are returning from Iraq.
Please do not post how brave you think these people are or any other thing before you read this article!!!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2003/03/23/do2305.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2003/03/23/ixop.html

I suggest anyone who truly believes in "peace" try this, you might find some truth as this human shield did.

I already know the answer to this question, but are you saying that the UN Declaration of Human Rights is meaningless?

On another note, are you also trying to say that the US constitution is the sole granter of rights in this world? That no other countries' claims to those rights are valid? That's certainly how the comment, "your rights to freedom of speech, religion, assembly and of the press stop once you step foot off of U.S. land" comes off.

Oh, and I didn't say "all," TJ did.

No, Tricky.

Our Constitution does not mean a thing to Canadians.

Our Constitution does not mean a thing to the Chinese.

For you to say "all" would be suggesting or implying, maybe both, that there's some sort of "world government" and at the head of it is the United States.

No, our founding fathers created the United States of America, not the United States of the Earth.

So therefore, your rights to freedom of speech, religion, assembly and of the press stop once you step foot off of U.S. land.

Wow. Joey, one would think you of all people could quote the line correctly:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

You see that little word there? It says, "all." Not just Americans. Everybody.

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Perhaps. But perhaps the people who marched in the Civil Rights movement in the 1950's and '60's were aware of the danger as well, who were attacked by firehoses and police dogs.

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First off, you're right about three things: Americans were born with unalienable rights: Life, liberty, property.

But that's in AMERICA.

Your rights do not "follow" you to other countries; get that straight.

Remember the pansy who went to Singapore and spray painted a bunch of cars??? The punishment in Singapore is a good paddle with bamboo canes (wet ones, too).

Because this idiot went over to another country and did that, he thus fell under an entire set of laws -- NOT American laws.

Can I go over to Germany and expect to pay my water bill?

No, I can't; why? Because I'm in GERMANY.


Listen, if you want to be a human shield, sacrifice your life for whatever you believe in, go right ahead.

But don't start talking about freedoms and liberty that you have if you're doing it in another country.

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...if an American is visiting a country but not looking to move there permanently, he or she is no longer an American, and therefore the authorities of that country can do whatever they wish to that person.

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Um, no, that's not what I said.

Once you step off of our Land, you are not under our Law, and if you are not under our Law, then you are not an American - you are a foreigner.

You can be from America, but to another country, you're a foreigner.

For example: The Dixie Chicks - they spouted off in England - I don't have a problem with them saying something like that, but it wasn't even under our Law granting them the Right to speak like that.

Whats next deer shields? If you are old enough to go over to who knows where then you are old enough to accept the consequences! I just think it is rediculous for someone to have such a strong feeling of negativity towards our nation but yet when there butt is in a sling they want help for the nation they are against.

i wonder how brave the iraqi was to complain about saddam to a foreign human shield randomly.....

had to respond to this, no my idea of a perfect world is where everyone elses thoughts aren't forced upon me or disruptive to my life. My idea of a perfect world is where there are no radicals who throw themselves in front of bulldozers or try to stop tanks only to be chased out by the citizens living in that area, but my world will never be perfect....because somewhere...somehow....there's somebody who has a problem with everything. Someone who feels they have the right to be in my face, stopping my car, throwing stuff, burning stuff.....in short, the right to be an idiot.

I stand corrected, it isn't fake, but the pictures in that Palestinian paper are fake, trust me when I say, that is not what you would look like after being hit by a bulldozer.

But I can't doubt the rest of the credible sources on that page....

First of all, let me get this straight: if an American is visiting a country but not looking to move there permanently, he or she is no longer an American, and therefore the authorities of that country can do whatever they wish to that person. Even if that includes raping them, shooting them, or running over them with a tank. Remind me never to leave the country then.

However, as an admirer of the great men who founded this country, you must be aware of the concept that every human being is endowed by birth with "certain uninalienable rights: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (or property)." There is nothing that says that this only applies to Americans that remain within the country. Not to mention that running over people with tanks is a form of mass murder or genocide, and thus the nation in question may be tried for war crimes under the laws outlined in the Geneva convention.

And about the girl who was crushed by the bulldozer in Israel: try telling that she was an idiot and a coward to her family and her friends. Better yet, visit her memorial website: www.rachelcorrie.com
Perhaps she did know what she was getting in to. Perhaps. But perhaps the people who marched in the Civil Rights movement in the 1950's and '60's were aware of the danger as well, who were attacked by firehoses and police dogs. Perhaps so too did those who participated in Gandhi's nonviolent movement to free India from British rule know that they were putting themselves at risk, those whose heads were bashed in by British clubs. Would it have been more sensible if these people had shut up and stayed at home? Or perhaps you may think it would have been more logical had they taken up arms and used violent force against those who opposed them, as expressed by Malcolm X and Elijah Muhammed of the black radical movement.

And how, may I ask, is dying for one's belief in his or her country as a soldier in a war any better than dying for one's beliefs in a nonviolent protest??

But yet this still doesn't quite address the sick wish expressed by JoeyDauben and others on these boards to have those expressing liberal beliefs commit a form of mass suicide (or be slaughtered by soldiers, depending on the angle one may view it). Don't give me this crap about believing in freedom and liberty, or claiming that you disagree completely with what I say but you will fight to the death for my right to say it. Because when it all comes down to it, your idea of a perfect world is one in which everyone has only one opinion: yours.

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So the second you start mouthing off, or put yourself in front of a bulldozer

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I don't know if this is the same thing, but I saw an article about an activist in Isreal getting hit by a bulldozer, if that is the one you are refering to...it is fake!! I saw the pictures and they are completly fake, and whoever did the make up should be ashamed...I could have done a better job.

I'm not gonna' go into detail, but I have seen enough people hit by stuff to know that if you got hit by a bulldozer, it wouldn't look anything like what I saw....

Remember, you don't have U.S. Constitutional rights when you decide to become a human shield in another country.

You have no rights to freedom of speech or of assembly in another country.

So the second you start mouthing off, or put yourself in front of a bulldozer -- in another country - well, that's when you no longer are an American - you're a foreigner.


Liberty is doing whatever the heck you want to do, just as long as you aren't violating the rights of others while you're doing it.

Well, remember what I said; the second you step foot off of our Land, you're not an American.

And therefore, you don't have the rights.

AHEM!

:: partially sarcastic:: ...Yes, and if all the conservative nationalists went out to practice what they preached by marching out into the desert and spilling their blood for their country, we'd all be better off. Hmph.
You know, for people who claim to be all for freedom and liberty, you sound frighteningly totalitarian.

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Heck, if all the liberals did that, we'd be better off.

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I totally agree. But, you know, most of the liberals are all talk.

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Heck, if all the liberals did that, we'd be better off.

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Tsk, tsk, Joey. You're deciding the fate/deaths of others? That's not very Christian-like. I'm telling Jesus!

If someone is that stupid to go and put themselves in harm's way during a war, they deserve all of the bulldozers crushing them and all the bullets filling them as possible.

This does nothing to help any cause whatsoever; it really shows just how incredibly stupid people are, and have become.


I have no sympathy for "human shields" who deliberately go over there to put themselves in harm's way.

Heck, if all the liberals did that, we'd be better off.

it makes me so happy to see those dip****s get chased out of Iraq. They should have done their homework before throwing themeselves on the wrong side of a war.

watch the TV and watch as the citizens of Baghdad chased out the Human Sheilds with signs that said "GO HOME HUMAN SHIELDS"

or did you miss that one?

The link is down, so I can't read it. However, if it's "one in many," can you provide any others?