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Registered: November 01, 2002
Posts: 225
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You're right; Joey didn't write it. But he quite clearly agrees with it to at least some extent, or he would probably not have posted it, or likely even recieved it, since it looks to be a forward from someone else who thought he'd like it. I'd like to see an original source for this, to see if it was actually written by "Dr. A. Shorrosh" and not someone simply bent on building credibility for their prejudices.

And B2: Nativist is the term generally used for groups that fought to keep America "pure" from immigrants...though most of them were descended from immigrants. That's where the KKK originally came from. And the fact that a religion is not a race is irrelevant. I think her point was that the rhetoric is the same, just substituting a religion for a race.
Registered: May 04, 2003
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Yes, a very valid e-mail, indeed.

...which is exactly what it is, people! Joey didn't write it...a CONVERTED MUSLIM DID!!! So, don't go reaming him like he wrote this...he didn't!
Registered: May 06, 2003
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ok so maybe you've done reasearch on muslims and americans, but if you want Mad to be a religion then you can be it anyhere you want however you want, as you long as you have faith then the rest of everyone can stop Mad Eek being so racist and policitially wrong and free up and let people be what the want to be where they want to be how the want to be. Wink Big Grin
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Registered: March 08, 2003
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nativist groups like the KKK


umm, not trying to pick you out of a crowd, just have questions....Nativist? Is that what they call it now? I always called them Nationalists, the KKK and UK groups like the National Front, Nativists is a new one on me.

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racist arguments are still being used


again religion is not a race, there are many people who follow the teachings of the Koran, including but not limited to whites, blacks and arabs.

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This argument was used by nativist groups like the KKK during the 19th century against immigrants from, say, Ireland or Italy or Poland.


Errrm, but aren't these same people now what makes up large numbers of the KKK and other White Power groups??

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Registered: May 03, 2003
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that is fake

the koran doesn't condone beating women

you can pray to mecca from anywhere

muslims are not forbidden to make friends with christians or jews. alot of wonderful muslims in isreal are trying to keep their friendships with jews. i have had several family friends who were muslim, and my family is christian

most muslims don't want to destroy america, that's jest a very small sect and they certainly don't want to destroy isreal... why do you think they are fighting for it's land? west bank, gaza... read your bible

allah accepts other faiths as much as the christian god, sense it is the same god, not the moon god (it's not like a polytheism)

he can accept the constitution, it is based on philosophical principals that are common between most all men, despite race, religion, income, they are laws for common man

islam does alow freedom of choice, just a few corrupt leaders have kept the muslim community from it through opression

america isn't even a true democracy. qatar has elected officials and is very much like the US with women's rights, good economy, and great colleges

please be more careful with sources. ignorance breeds hatred.

reminds me of a stupid quote from a newspaper editorial that was recenly attacked "This is America, not islam." (The problem here is obvious as america is a country, islam is a faith)
Registered: May 04, 2003
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joey, i think the email is a great way to get a bunch of open-minded, intelligent people together to talk about the ingroences of the human race.

why are all of you angry at him? he posted the email HE RECEIVED because it has some very good points to talk about. you have no right to beat him down for it.

every religion has its good points and its bad points. devout christians are just as bad as devout muslims, and devout jews, and so on.

really, the only people who can be truely american, in the religious sence, are white protestants. this country started out racist and sexist. even the different religions didn't get along real well. but as time past, smart, open minded people appeared and raised the question, "why?" why do we hate each other? sure, our beleifs are different. our skin is different. men and women are built differently. but we're all capable of the same things.
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Registered: August 14, 2001
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One might as well say that Catholics cannot be American because their loyalty is to the Pope, and that they are against the American government because it allows women to have abortions (so far) and it was founded on Protestant Christian values (not entirely true). One could say the same thing about the Jews as well, or any other group that is not white Protestant Christian. This argument was used by nativist groups like the KKK during the 19th century against immigrants from, say, Ireland or Italy or Poland. It's interesting (and sad) that after one hundred years such xenophobic and racist arguments are still being used.
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Registered: December 13, 2002
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and this is the man running for school board...i'm gonna be sick if he actually wins.
Registered: November 01, 2002
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So which points do you feel are valid, specifically?
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...before i explode in anger at the fact that a person can actually question a muslim's motives to be american.



Hate the message, not the messenger; I'm not saying I believe one word of that e-mail, but I did say it raises valid points.

If anything, it's supposed to make you think.

Why is everybody mad? Because they've been going along with their set beliefs for so long without any "outside" views, and obviously, this is an outside viewpoint.

Before you people get on your soap boxes and shout me down, remember one thing: I posted the e-mail; I didn't send it.
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Registered: June 07, 2002
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this board topic is so ignorant and has such an obvious answer that i am going to leave before i explode in anger at the fact that a person can actually question a muslim's motives to be american.

ARg... Mad Mad
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Registered: November 07, 2002
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of course they can!...this topic is silly...end of conversation. Roll Eyes
Registered: January 12, 2003
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Wow! I must say, from previous posts I have seen from you, I never would have thought you would disagree with Joey!! Congradulations on your move towards being a Democrat!!
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Registered: February 22, 2002
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Grouping all members of a race into a group is racism. That is all this board is, racists propoganda, I encourage everyone to ignore this page.
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Registered: December 30, 2001
Posts: 325
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Hey Joey, are you against Jewish people as well? Cause religous Jewish people have to cover themselves up, too.
Registered: March 22, 2003
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last time i checked, america was a diverse place, welcoming all cultures and ethicities.

tell me again then, why we have muslims in america?
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Registered: December 19, 2002
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Joey, where exactly do you get this bogus crap


Yea joey, i have been wondering this also. Do you just make it up or do you have a source for bull****?
Registered: December 01, 2002
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I'm sorry, but that is one of the most ignorant posts I have read. Anyone can be an American, that is what America is for and why it was created.

"For the land of the free."
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Registered: August 17, 2001
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Bull.
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Registered: February 26, 2003
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What a load of crap, Joey.
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