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Picture of babbyangel67
Registered: January 06, 2003
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Ok well work with me, cause im half asleep right now. ok well, in the U.S. there are thousands of new immigrants admitted each day. And for them it is fairly easy to be accepted to come and live in the U.S. but sometimes i think that some of those immigrants are just taking advantage of the whole situation there. I mean here in the U.S. we have had to adapt to a lot of other cultures just because people from those places are bringing it over and they want it here.
But what about when we go over to their countries? I know first hand that to live over there like in Panama, Mexico, Chile, etc... you have to go through hell before you are permitted to come and live in their countries, and we are the ones who have to adapt to their cultures. I remember when i went to live in Chile we had to check in with immigration just about every other week. Maybe the U.S. should toughen up a little about the immigrants they let in to the U.S. and maybe they too should have to go through what we have to go through when we enter their countries, maybe not make them go through such hell, but through some what of what we have to go through.
And they should try and adapt to our culture (or whatever is left of it at this point).
So what do you think about this? Is the U.S. too easy on new incoming immigrants? Or is it just fine the way things are now?

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Registered: February 22, 2002
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What is the real reason immigrants come here? (both legal and illegal) There are three answers...

1 - Political Refugee
2 - Embrace a life their forefathers talked about
3 - Take complete advantage of our countries social welfar programs that cover someone from the cradle to the grave.

And guess where most immigrants fall into? #3. They rarely work and reap the benefits that your liberal congressman find so 'nessecary.'/
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Registered: January 06, 2003
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I personally know its not easy to become a citizen.My mom has been in this country for 17 years & she's still not a citizen.


Im not talking about becoming a citizen I know thats hard, I am talking about becoming a resident! Two very different things!
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Registered: August 14, 2003
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If I lived in another country, under constant attack, I would want to move to some place safer and right now the U.S. seems the most logical. When you think about all those poor people in the war who were innocent who just want to live a decent life an we won't let them, I just think it's not fair.. It's the same with Mexico. They are overcrowded as it is. I know welfare is high and all but it is the same in Mexico and they might just be able to live a better life here in America.
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Registered: July 15, 2003
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I personally know its not easy to become a citizen.My mom has been in this country for 17 years & she's still not a citizen.That's not fair b-cuz she has adapted to american ways & has NEVER done anything illegal like other people i know.Her father has been filing for her for 4 years now & nothings happened.Its ridiculus.
Registered: August 16, 2003
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I don't think the US is too easy on new immigrants. Do you guys know how long it takes to become one? Some of the people who were allowed to be American immigrants last year applied for it in the 70's.
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I think the US should have a policy somewhat like this. I think that you should let in a limited number of immigrants per year. I think that we should offer things like night school to teach English and basic living skills. If within a year, the immigrant cannot pass a basic English language test and/or have a job then they should be deported. If within 5 years, the immigrant cannot support his/her family and is living on Welfare or some other government program and is not paying taxes then they should be deported.
I think we should give immigrants a fair chance to survive in America. The language is tricky and it's expensive. I don't think we should allow immigrants to live off of our taxpayers money though.


I agree
ByE bYe
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I know when my dad was in the military and we lived in Panama, El Salvador, Honduras, and Bolivia it wasn't that hard to get visas or to live there. Maybe it was because we were military. Also, I thought it was really neat getting to know their culture. Amazingly, every citizen wanted to know about America and how it was from us. I think the other countries might be harder on immigrants since they are poorer and can't afford quite as much.
I think the US should have a policy somewhat like this. I think that you should let in a limited number of immigrants per year. I think that we should offer things like night school to teach English and basic living skills. If within a year, the immigrant cannot pass a basic English language test and/or have a job then they should be deported. If within 5 years, the immigrant cannot support his/her family and is living on Welfare or some other government program and is not paying taxes then they should be deported.
I think we should give immigrants a fair chance to survive in America. The language is tricky and it's expensive. I don't think we should allow immigrants to live off of our taxpayers money though. We have enough citizens doing that already.
Registered: July 21, 2003
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i think it's fine how it is
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I know what you are saying, I don't think people understand what political assylum, greencards, school passes and work passes are. But yes everyone...it is pretty easy to get over here, and in some cases it maybe only a limited time, but obviously from 9/11 we have learned it is time enough. How many of you know one or two of the bombers was here on a School Pass? Not once did he/they even show up for class and no one ever questioned. Why didn't he show up for class? Possibly because he/they were pinning down the final details of the destruction of the Twin Towers. We'll never really know...but why didn't anybody bother to find out where these guys were and what they were doing? We gave them the privilage to be here and go to our schools, I think we should know why they don't show up for class. If any of us skipped on school people would be all over looking for us.
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Registered: January 06, 2003
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Besides, it's not like everyone coming in to the U.S. is trying to blow Americans up.




But why take the chance? And I think that some people arent understanding what im saying. Im not talking about becoming a citizen, I'm talking about becoming a resident of the U.S two very different things.

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Plenty of the screw-ups were born here...


Yes many are born here, but why do we want any more?

ByE bYe
Registered: July 11, 2003
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I think things are fine as they are. Americans are just a mix of many many nationalities, do we realli just have one culture~? Anyways, many a trifling minority of people are not people we would want in our country, but there has got to be plenty of great people that also immigrate. Plenty of the screw-ups were born here... anyways, I agree with logos, its not like everyone comin over is trying to kill us~
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Registered: July 01, 2003
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Just look at the terrorists from 9/11. They came here for what they probably of called "opportunity" and they came in legally.

**** happens. All the time. We're just pretty pampered here in the U.S., despite the news broadcasts throwing stories of murder, rape, etc. at us. Besides, it's not like everyone coming in to the U.S. is trying to blow Americans up.

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The U.S. is the land of opportunity to many. As long as they get in legally, I think it is alright.




Even if they do get in legally we could still be getting some of the worst of people. Just look at the terrorists from 9/11. They came here for what they probably of called "opportunity" and they came in legally.
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But when we go to their countries, how come everything is so much complicated for us? Shouldnt it be the same?

The U.S. is the land of opportunity to many. As long as they get in legally, I think it is alright.

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I saw that some of you said something about becoming citizens being hard, but thats not what I meant, I know that is hard.
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Maybe if you switched places with the immigrants, you would think it was too difficult.




And I have been in there shoes, and it was a lot harder. When I went to live in Chile and Panama, besides the fact about having to go to immigration every other week, it was a lot harder before we even got permission to stay. One of the things that they check out before they give you the "okay" to stay is how much money you have, and what your income is. And if you dont meet their standards they can reject you, because they dont want to have burdens from other countries living in theirs.
But in the U.S an immigrant could have about two dollars and be allowed to stay here. But when we go to their countries, how come everything is so much complicated for us? Shouldnt it be the same?
ByE bYe
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Registered: May 06, 2003
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It depends on when...getting into the country = easy, getting citizenship = hard.

My uncle is trying to become a citizen (from New Zealand!) and he has to memorize all this stuff that my cousins and i (11th and 9th grade) don't know about our government!!!
Then my friend's dad is an immigration lawyer and when he talked to our class (2 years ago) i dont remember much except it takes a long, LONG time.
But then again, you know the terrorist attacks on 9-11?? Those guys didnt have completed immigration information....net even greencards or anything! So yeah, we should def. tighten up!

-rito
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Registered: July 01, 2003
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If it makes you feel better, Bush is not exactly big on immigration. *shrug*
I personally don't think it's very easy to come into the US. Illegally, well... I don't know. We have a lot of those here.
Maybe if you switched places with the immigrants, you would think it was too difficult.

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Registered: February 24, 2003
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honestly it ain't that easy Wink
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