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Picture of conservakid
Registered: September 06, 2003
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I have heard several of the religious persuasion say that sins can be forgiven by god.

So here's my question...if Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler, Osama Bin Laden, and "Uncle Joe" Stalin all decided to head over to the National Cathedral and pray for forgiveness, would they be forgiven?

And who decides whether or not this person is forgiven? I killed a guy (only once, back in college), but prayed to god I wouldn't get caught, and didn't. So did God forgive me?

The parameters of holy forgiveness (much like everything else in the bible) is unclear.

And don't preach to me a biblical account of "what Jesus said to Moses" (or whatever). I hate when people do that. Please only allude to the bible as a LITERARY reference.
Registered: July 04, 2003
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If you ask for forgiveness, truly and with honesty, then God forgives you, because he loves you, it doesn't matter if you killed a huy back in college, HE FORGIVES YOU, if you want him to!

I'm not telling you to kill again, 'cause that's not good, but if you asked for forgiveness and really trully meant it, THEN you are safe, 'because if you were able to ask for forgivnes, it means you were able to believe thata there IS a god and that HE saved you, by turning into a sacrifice! Big Grin Wink Smile
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Registered: June 27, 2003
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God does forgive if you ask for his forgiveness, but that doesn't mean you are going to heaven. The only way to do that is by asking God into your life and asking him to be your Savior. Saddam and Osama yeah they doen't believe in God anyways.
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Registered: November 27, 2002
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Even Omar Shiekh. But I'm not ready for forgive him.Not yet.I know I'm supposed to but I don't care. I won't say it until I can do it
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Registered: August 09, 2003
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It basically says whatever you do, whether it is positive or negative, will eventually come back to you times three.


So not amount of remorse or wrongs forgiven is going to stop that?

And you people talk about the evils of Christianity.
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Registered: August 09, 2003
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Let's also remember Jesus said we should first seek forgiveness from the one's we've wrong on earth first. This is best done by trying to help the one's you've hurt.

Also in order to be forgiven you must make an effort to repent, or to turn away from the sins you have commetted.

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The parameters of holy forgiveness (much like everything else in the bible) is unclear.


Umm, no. It is infact quite clear.
You (much like everyone else) just don't seem to know where to look.

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And don't preach to me a biblical account of "what Jesus said to Moses" (or whatever). I hate when people do that. Please only allude to the bible as a LITERARY reference.


*No longer wonders why he didn't know about the previous statement*
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...but prayed to god I wouldn't get caught, and didn't. So did God forgive me?


No, if you killed someone, and were not specifically instructed by God Himself to do so (i.e., his Holy Spirit leading you to the gun or knife store, telling you precisely what to do), then no, God did not forgive you; in fact, God does not hear the voice of prayers from people who would ask a priest to forgive them, and I'm guessing - correct me if I'm wrong, though - that's what the National Cathedral is.

You cannot selectively pick and choose what to believe when it comes to the Bible. It's either all or nothing.

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if Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler, Osama Bin Laden, and "Uncle Joe" Stalin all decided to head over to the National Cathedral and pray for forgiveness, would they be forgiven?


Depends on which God they serve(d). If Saddam were to convert from Islam over to Christianity, be fully transformed by God's Holy Spirit, then yes, he would be forgiven.

Same goes/went for Stalin and Hitler. The effects of your decisions, acts, thoughts, etc. are still there possibly, but in the Bible, God says he forgets the sin.

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The parameters of holy forgiveness (much like everything else in the bible) is unclear.


No they're not. The Bible specifically states what you must do to be saved and forgiven; if you cannot understand that, then you are being led by the devil, which is probably an explanation for this:

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And don't preach to me a biblical account of "what Jesus said to Moses" (or whatever). I hate when people do that. Please only allude to the bible as a LITERARY reference.
Registered: December 23, 2003
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Well, I am not Christian, so I can't give you an answer based on Jesus or anything.

Though I can tell you this: the Wiccan practice follows a general rule. It's called the Threefold Law. It basically says whatever you do, whether it is positive or negative, will eventually come back to you times three. So, if what you said was true about killing the guy, well... I'd be expecting something pretty lousy to happen to you in the future... And as for Saddam? Try multiplying genocide by three...
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