NWH.. you have a lot of learning to do.. tha's a fact! most of what i was going to say has already been covered though... organic farming is not practical on a large scale.. so that idea is out.. everything else you have mentioned is nothing more than AR c r a p.... you people make me laugh.. when you want to know some facts let me know...
This one, while mostly focusing on genetics, notes that organic farming might be possible with gentic manipulation taking place of applied pesticides. But at this point large scale organic farming would be an enivronmental disaster.
Basically says that a vegan diet will kill more animals in the long run.
The rest is just common knowladge. I've been living and working in a farming community and taking courses and learnign about environmental issues and management since before I was going to school.
quote: So you go for taste over moronic ideology? Hmm, maybe your starting to see things in my way.
Eating organic food is not a moronic idea, and I'm just staing that I'm not perfact by saying that I don't eat ALL organic.
Why can't you people be nice like everyone on the forum that I go to? Atlest THEY are open to others oppinions and don't see trying to do a good thing moronic.
I'm beginning to think that you are just making it up as you go along, unless you can give me some verifyed proof of your resoning? I got mine from environmental sites, my parents, and a brochure about some natural food cerial brand that saves the rainforest with every purchase. I'd buy it, but I don't like cerial, so I'll just help it some other way.
quote: You know, thats only because not that many people do it. Is more people ate and manufactored organic food, there would be more of it to go around, since the land space that factory farms use would be used instead for organic food.
You don't know a whole lot about farming. It's not because not many people do it. It's because organic farming requires more effort, more money, and more crops to make up for those lost to pests, disease, and weeds. You also don't realize that pasture quality land is not the same as human-consumption quality land. The vast majority of land that we use to graze and grow feed crop for is not capable of producing crops fit for human consumption.
quote: The pesticides and other chemicals put into the factory farmed and non-organic foods are unhealthy for people to eat, especially for children who's bodys are still growing.
Only if you dont' wash them properly. All pesticides used are water soluable. Meaning, you wash them thouroughly, and the pesticide comes off.
quote: The factory farms also pullute the environment. The increasing air pullution has also caused many more people to get lung desieses, such as Athsma and Bronchitis. Pollution in the water can cause unsafe drinking water and the deaths of many aquatic animals like Dolphins or fish. Even still, pollutiion causes the deaths of land animals.
Check out what this "pollution" actually is. Nitrate runnoff and dust for the most part. Both factors that are still throughly present in organic farming methods.
quote:Organically grown food greatly recuces the anount of pollution due to food manufactoring.
It also drastically reduces the amount of FOOD, period.
quote: I don't really eat purely organic, though, but a lot of the food that my parents buy is organic, and I like that. Eggo waffles just taste so good, organic ones are kinda bland, but maybe I might find some that, you know, taste good
So you go for taste over moronic ideology? Hmm, maybe your starting to see things in my way.
quote: Organic farming is not nearly as efficient, and on a national, or global scale, it would simply be impossible to feed even a fraction of the people on this planet through purely organic farming
You know, thats only because not that many people do it. Is more people ate and manufactored organic food, there would be more of it to go around, since the land space that factory farms use would be used instead for organic food. The pesticides and other chemicals put into the factory farmed and non-organic foods are unhealthy for people to eat, especially for children who's bodys are still growing. The additives and pesticides can also be known to be a contributing factor to physical and mental difficulties. The factory farms also pullute the environment. The increasing air pullution has also caused many more people to get lung desieses, such as Athsma and Bronchitis. Pollution in the water can cause unsafe drinking water and the deaths of many aquatic animals like Dolphins or fish. Even still, pollutiion causes the deaths of land animals.
Organically grown food greatly recuces the anount of pollution due to food manufactoring. There are other things that pollute more than the industrys, by using organic food, we can probably reduce the amount of pollution.
Factories also dump their waste, and that leads to pollution and fills land that could otherwise be used for humans or animals homes.
I realize that by using organics, we are not eliminating all pollution, but we would be helping reduce some of it.
I don't really eat purely organic, though, but a lot of the food that my parents buy is organic, and I like that. Eggo waffles just taste so good, organic ones are kinda bland, but maybe I might find some that, you know, taste good
quote: but you can eat just about anything and be unhealthy if you don't do it properly.
That would be one of my many points.
quote: apparently you've never heard of organicly grown foods?
Organic farming is not nearly as efficient, and on a national, or global scale, it would simply be impossible to feed even a fraction of the people on this planet through purely organic farming.
quote: Ummm....I beleive that even in SCHOOL we learned that meat and meat products contain colesterol and fat, which can lead to heart desease and obeasity.
Just like excess carbohydrate intake CAN lead to diabetes. Your not proving anything if you use extremes. In fact, the more research that comes in, the more we find out that obesity is actually caused by excess carb intake, and not fat. It's all in a balanced diet.
quote: Yeah, it was also keeping the animal warm. People have other things (like cotton or synthetics) to keep warm with that didn't come off a cruelly treated animal.
Cotton and sythetics don't have the same properties as goose down or wool. Denim doesn't have the same durability as leather. Animal skins are much more useful in many applications than sythetics.
quote: You should realy know how horrible the animals are treated in the fur farms and leg hold traps.
I DO know because there are people around me who trap wild animals with the loop traps, and spring traps. It's common. It's not disgusting, maybe unpleasent for some.
quote: Besides, fur and leather are also usually more expensive than synthetics. You could probably buy 3 plyeather or fake fur jackets for the price it would take you to buy one made of animal skin.
That's because 1.) there is more of a demand for the real deal 2.) they're usually higher quality 3.) it does cost a bit more to trap or raise and skin an animal.
You do realize that these sythetics are made of petroleum, the environmental effects of which i'm sure your fully aware of (and ignoring in this case).
quote: No. But unlike in the testing labs, animals were not injured and treated inhumanely to make the mushrooms.
Oh, besides the manure that the mushrooms were grown in, which came from some "enslaved" farm animal.
quote: I find it repulsive that people are so selfish that they would kill and harm thousands of animals to have scented laundry or shiney hair.
You do know that virtually no beauty or toiletry products are tested on animals anymore don't you? And as for medical testing...I'd rather have a thousand rats die rather than a loved one, or even a non-loved one.
quote: but you can eat just about anything and be unhealthy if you don't do it properly.
That would be one of my many points.
quote: apparently you've never heard of organicly grown foods?
Organic farming is not nearly as efficient, and on a national, or global scale, it would simply be impossible to feed even a fraction of the people on this planet through purely organic farming.
quote: Ummm....I beleive that even in SCHOOL we learned that meat and meat products contain colesterol and fat, which can lead to heart desease and obeasity.
Just like excess carbohydrate intake CAN lead to diabetes. Your not proving anything if you use extremes. In fact, the more research that comes in, the more we find out that obesity is actually caused by excess carb intake, and not fat. It's all in a balanced diet.
quote: Yeah, it was also keeping the animal warm. People have other things (like cotton or synthetics) to keep warm with that didn't come off a cruelly treated animal.
Cotton and sythetics don't have the same properties as goose down or wool. Denim doesn't have the same durability as leather. Animal skins are much more useful in many applications than sythetics.
quote: You should realy know how horrible the animals are treated in the fur farms and leg hold traps.
I DO know because there are people around me who trap wild animals with the loop traps, and spring traps. It's common. It's not disgusting, maybe unpleasent for some.
quote: Besides, fur and leather are also usually more expensive than synthetics. You could probably buy 3 plyeather or fake fur jackets for the price it would take you to buy one made of animal skin.
That's because 1.) there is more of a demand for the real deal 2.) they're usually higher quality 3.) it does cost a bit more to trap or raise and skin an animal.
You do realize that these sythetics are made of petroleum, the environmental effects of which i'm sure your fully aware of (and ignoring in this case).
quote: No. But unlike in the testing labs, animals were not injured and treated inhumanely to make the mushrooms.
Oh, besides the manure that the mushrooms were grown in, which came from some "enslaved" farm animal.
Ya know, I don't HATE meat eaters, I just wish they they would concider who they are eating. True, you can be vegetarian and unhealthy, but you can eat just about anything and be unhealthy if you don't do it properly.
quote: Oh, because apparently crops don't take up land anymore. And apparently the THOUSANDS OF TONS OF FERTALIZER, HERBICIDES, AND PESTICIDES don't cause pollution anymore.
apparently you've never heard of organicly grown foods?
quote: Lies. You provide no proof, and most major "studies" used as evdience are either horribly biased or so no direct correlations.
Ummm....I beleive that even in SCHOOL we learned that meat and meat products contain colesterol and fat, which can lead to heart desease and obeasity.
quote: I buy fur because it keeps me toasty warm.
Yeah, it was also keeping the animal warm. People have other things (like cotton or synthetics) to keep warm with that didn't come off a cruelly treated animal. You should realy know how horrible the animals are treated in the fur farms and leg hold traps. Besides, fur and leather are also usually more expensive than synthetics. You could probably buy 3 plyeather or fake fur jackets for the price it would take you to buy one made of animal skin.
quote: I think that the idea of eating a fungus is disgusting. Does that mean we should ban mushrooms?
No. But unlike in the testing labs, animals were not injured and treated inhumanely to make the mushrooms. I find it repulsive that people are so selfish that they would kill and harm thousands of animals to have scented laundry or shiney hair.
hey NWH.... umm you do know that a vegetarian diet is directly responsible for the deaths and torture of millions of animals per year.. and there is not even an attempt to make their deaths humane, unlike most animals killed for meat ...
i really think you have been reading way to much PETA BS... you need to catch up with the rest of us in the real world...
quote: How can people be so cruel that they would do this to someone living?
It's called Logic.
quote: How can people be so cruel that they would do this to someone living?
Why? Or less bluntly, support your opinion with some rational thought.
quote: Being vegetarian is also MUCH healthyer for most peaople if you do it properly.
Untrue, you face just as many health problems with improper vegitarian diets as you do with proper ones. And a proper omnivorious diet doesn't come with the added danger of anemia.
quote: Meat causes things like Heart Desiese, Cancer, Food Poisoning, Mad Cow, Obeasity, ect.
Lies. You provide no proof, and most major "studies" used as evdience are either horribly biased or so no direct correlations.
quote: Since I became vegetarian, I've also gotten thinner and prettyer.
Does that mean your healthier? Didn't think so. I've gotten thinner and "prettyer" on a diet that includes several servings of fish and chicken on a regular basis.
quote: If you are vegetarian you are also saveing the environment as well, since factory farms pollute the environment and take up land space.
Oh, because apparently crops don't take up land anymore. And apparently the THOUSANDS OF TONS OF FERTALIZER, HERBICIDES, AND PESTICIDES don't cause pollution anymore.
quote: There is no need to kill animals just for fasion.
I buy fur because it keeps me toasty warm.
quote: The next time you buy something that was tested on animals, think of the poor bunnies that were blinded so you could have shiney hair. Its disgusting.
I think that the idea of eating a fungus is disgusting. Does that mean we should ban mushrooms?
Your full of propaganda. I dare you to provide any logical, SUPPORTED reasons for your habits.
I'm a vegetarian. I care deeply about the animals and do not beleive that they should have to suffer cruel lives and brutal deaths when most of us can very easily live without eating meat. I hear about how cruel the animals are treated, and I just think "how can I eat a poor, innocent animals?". How can people be so cruel that they would do this to someone living? Even if the animals aren't raised in Factory Farms, they still diserve to not be killed and to be allowed to live a long, happy life.
Being vegetarian is also MUCH healthyer for most peaople if you do it properly. Meat causes things like Heart Desiese, Cancer, Food Poisoning, Mad Cow, Obeasity, ect. Since I became vegetarian, I've also gotten thinner and prettyer.
If you are vegetarian you are also saveing the environment as well, since factory farms pollute the environment and take up land space.
Please, go veg. Do it for the animals, or even for yourself. Unless you think eating a dead carcase sound appitizing or having heart desiese and mad cow looks like fun, you should go veg.
I'm also against buying leather and fur, and animal testing. There is no need to kill animals just for fasion. The next time you buy something that was tested on animals, think of the poor bunnies that were blinded so you could have shiney hair. Its disgusting. Are we that selfish that we have to take the lives of other creatures just to have out fur coats, leather jackets, and perfact hair?
I have been a vegetarian for about 3 years now, and while I gave up Jello and Altoids becauses they aren't vegetarian, I was not aware that I couldn't eat Skittles and Starburst too. D*MN!
im a vegetarian and i have been for the past year. its just...whenever i ate a yummy cheeseburger, i would look at it and i would think, mmmmmm its so good!and then i would think in my head, this burger made out of cow, dead, rotting, OMG! i think im gonna be sick! now i wouldnt dare eat a cheeseburger, i havent eaten a hotdog since 2 years ago, and i ate only one that year. i only ate it cuz i was STARVING! at times my parents would make me eat chicken, but lately i havent eaten any meat, and i dont eat starburst or skittles anymore. also, i have never liked jello. it just makes me sick to no that im eating a rotting corpse of a poor cow or chicken. i couldnt take it anymore so i decided to go veggie. i am thinking about becoming a vegan. but i wouldnt dare tell my parents! they would think i would die because im not getting enough protein n ****. that makes me mad because its not like i ate healthy before so why start now? lol but i dont drink milk anyways because its icky. but i like cheese, and i love chocolate! and i use margarine, i dont use butter.
My advice to your friend is to slow down. As far I can tell (but this is NOT based on actual medical evidence, as far as I know) when first becoming a vegetarian, the body (for lack of a better word) craves meat as much as it would anything anything else you're trying to wean yourself off of. I know you wrote that your friend is "on her way to" becoming a vegan, but I say she should take her time...
It may not be healthy unless you go slow. Just a word of caution.
Quoting prettyinpunk016 on 5 December 2003:
"My friend became a vegetarian this week, and is on her way to being a vegan. There's so many things she can't eat anymore. She can't even have jelly. Or Skittles.
My friend became a vegetarian this week, and is on her way to being a vegan. There's so many things she can't eat anymore. She can't even have jelly. Or Skittles.
my aunts a vegetarian and heres why vegetarianism is about being humane....sometimes...my aunt has been saving every stay she finds well mostly turtles + one shocked seagull....lol thats a funny story....but she eats veggies and seafood and only 'cause it was a new years goal to eat seafood..she can't even stand to cook the turkey on thanksgiving and christmas...but besides that shes a sweet rich woman who is like the vice pres of the humane socity,she was a member of the year once...go aunt shar!(I went off topic agian)
"It's a control thing, even an attention thing, for a lot of them. Maybe most of them."
Maybe it is a control thing, but I haven't seen any evidence of this in any of the vegetarians I know. Of my friends who are vegetarians, a couple have parents who are also vegatarian, so the rearranging of habits to them doesn't apply. And for my friends who have parents who eat meat, they don't go out of their way to have anything out of the ordinary made for the vegetarian in the family. In fact, if the vegetarian wants a balanced diet, they have to make whatever they lack from a "normal" meal for themselves. And they do.
Many vegetarians are such for animal rights, true. I don't know if it's just me, but even though this may be true of my friends, they know that most of THEIR friends DO eat meat... and they don't make a big deal out it. If they did, they might not have friends for long, right? Or at least, very annoyed ones.
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