What good is that going to do? Who cares if you don't agree with his ways. He is our president and what is war accomplishing? A lot more than if we just sat back and let Iraqi's government kill there own people.
I'm not a Bush lover, but I am an American and if you've got a problem with the way this country is lead, at leat you have the right to your opinion because in other places you'd be dead for saying something like that. Honestly, if we just stood neutral in this thing, we would be destroying our dream of helping others achieve the freedom we have.
I think that the war is necessary.. thats a good question Hippie.. why cant we just get along?? Why cant we all act like intelligent people? that is a very good question. But the truth is, we cant just all get a long so thats why we need to use war, as much as people hate it. Sadaam Hussein is a nutcase, and if we didnt go to war, hed probably use his nuclear weapons on the U.S. And I think Sadaam Hussein is dead. I"m not sure. But i hope he is. Hes a horrible horrible man. And hippie I agree. But just dont tell anyone (I dont like George bush either ) SHH! lol I mean hes handling this war stuff ok. BUt i just dont like him. FOr other reasons. BUt i dont wanna say anymore! ~NIK~
I just find it interesting that those who are against the war are those who are losing their composure, and stating "war sux, George Bush is a loser". Is it too much to ask you people to articulate a rational thought?
Hey I know this is supposed to be on the impending war but I wanted to know what you guys thought on another subject and i can't find a noiseboard for it. I want to know if you think music (particularily Eminem) influences people. And if anyone knows where I can get more information on this please let me know.
An Iraqi refugee says stars who decry action against Hussein prolong the abuse of a people
By Esra Naama, Esra Naama of San Diego is a member of Women for a Free Iraq. Web site: www.womenforiraq.org. I am a refugee from Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
When Martin Sheen, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon and Barbra Streisand speak about the Iraqi people, they are not speaking about people like me, who are Shiite Muslims -- the largest religious group in Iraq that is nonetheless forced to live as second-class citizens under the Sunni regime of Hussein and his Baath Party.
When I was 10, I fled Iraq with my mother and four siblings after the failure of the 1991 uprising against Hussein. My father, a former Iraqi army colonel, was one of the leaders of the uprising and helped organize the resistance forces that fought against Hussein. As a pharmacist with knowledge of military bases in the southern part of Iraq, he took crates of medicine and supplies from army hospitals to the local civilian hospitals. And he attacked every vestige of Hussein's control in my hometown of Al-Diwaniya; he tore down posters of Hussein and restored the old names on the hospitals and public buildings that had been named for Hussein.
At that time, we believed that the coalition forces would come to our assistance. But within a few short days, Hussein brutally crushed us. In the months that followed, tens of thousands of my fellow Shiite Muslims were executed. Entire families were killed. Bodies were left to hang on trees and men were tortured in public. These are the scenes that I relive in my nightmares.
My father went into hiding to escape execution. My mother had no idea whether he was dead or alive. She knew that if Hussein's security forces could not find him, they would come after her children, and we would be imprisoned and tortured to lure my father out of hiding. When they took away my 18-year-old cousin, my mother decided we had to leave. We set off on a long journey, moving to new safe houses every night, until we finally reached the Rafha refugee camp in Saudi Arabia. The camp embodied all the indifference and cruelty with which Arab dictatorships treat their people. We stayed there for nearly two years. We were lucky.
Eventually, my father found his way to the same camp and we were blessed to receive refugee status in the United States on Sept. 17, 1992. My family celebrates this date as our new birthday, the day that we were able to begin our lives as full human beings, with dignity and hope. Growing up in the United States, I often thought about the people we left behind. We lost three relatives. My best friend's father, an army general, was executed for unknown reasons. I have friends who have lost 50 relatives.
Like many others, I am dedicated to ending the suffering of the Iraqi people. They are prisoners in their own land and they yearn for freedom and the simple things that we take for granted -- democracy, freedom of speech, the right to vote. America is their model for the future of Iraq, if only America and the world would help them build it.
I am an American now, and I have been educated to respect the right to free expression by any citizen, a right no member of my family enjoyed when we lived in Iraq. I know from personal experience that the Hollywood actors who decry action against Hussein are really opposing the liberation of the Iraqi people. I wish they would praise the American troops in the field or just stay silent.
There is only one measure of comfort to be found in their statements: When Iraq is finally liberated, these actors will learn that they have never spoken for the people of Iraq.
since bush is our president and he is making the decision on the possible war...i think you should all just stop complaining to eachother and start praying and hoping and having faith that bush will do the right thing (whatever that right thing is for you)
especially since we can't all get along because of people like saddam and bin laden
i am not agaist the war (but i dont like wars either)
I hear people saying we don't need this war I say there's some things worth fighting for What about our freedom and this piece of ground? We didn't get to keep 'em by backing down They say we don't realize the mess we're getting in Before you start preaching Let me ask you this my friend
CHORUS 1 Have you forgotten how it felt that day To see your homeland under fire And her people blown away? Have you forgotten when those towers fell? We had neighbors still inside Going through a living hell And you say we shouldn't worry 'bout Bin Laden Have you forgotten?
They took all the footage off my T.V. Said it's too disturbing for you and me It'll just breed anger that's what the experts say If it was up to me I'd show it every day Some say this country's just out looking for a fight After 9/11 man I'd have to say that's right
CHORUS 1 Have you forgotten how it felt that day To see your homeland under fire And her people blown away? Have you forgotten when those towers fell? We had neighbors still inside Going through a living hell And you say we shouldn't worry 'bout Bin Laden Have you forgotten?
I've been there with the soldiers Who've gone away to war And you can bet they remember Just what they're fighting for
CHORUS 2 Have you forgotten all the people killed? Some went down like heroes in that Pennsylvania field Have you forgotten about our Pentagon? All the loved ones that we lost And those left to carry on Don't you tell me not to worry about Bin Laden Have you forgotten?
Have you forgotten? Have you forgotten?
yeah you all say saddam has nothing to do with bin laden and he does not like the al quida but do you think he has good intentions???? at all??
people with good not violent intentions do not build missles for 10 years that are agaist the regulations set by the UN
STOP YOUR HYPOCRICY! STOP THE WAR DAM IT! DONT B AFRAID 2 DO WHATS RITE. ****. I have no regret nor sorrow or pitty 4 that matter 4 a LOSER like george w bush. I dont like the flag, & i dont like him, & i dont like how he twists religion around 2 hes own munipulation. BAd Boyz 4 Life, BIGG D.
[This message was edited by YNLissa on March 07, 2003 at 07:00 AM.]
Sup ppl? Now heres a debate we can all talk bout! Rite! George W. Bush President of the United States who just got elect'd what like yr. ago. does a **** poor job of taking care of the country. He has "Brainwash'd those n2 war. Meaning those that wood die n pride r dieing bcuz of Munipulation frum the p.u.s.a. george sucs a fat "****" & im sorry 4 those that blieve n war. N my blief im a Lover not a fighter. Ill dfend myself butt i "will not" throw a punch under any circumstances. Y cant we all just get along & communicate w/1 another. its not that hard 2 do. Ya no i'v seen ppl throw anti-groups 2gether that r against the idea of war. I have a better plan. Most ppl wood b afraid 2 step nfront of lines 2 get their word across butt just standing around talking bout the whole thing reelly doesnt do much 4 anybody. Im not sure if u ppl read what george said from the past bout war- he said "You'r either w/us or your just another terrist" or sumthing like that. As much as i want 2 H8 george rite now just saying H8 will caus probs. 4 everybody. George is n dnial 4 alot of things hes done the past yr. All he is is a major a-s-s "power trip" 2wards ppl of the states. I dont blieve n george or what hes doing 4 the country. Him 7 hes ideas r a bad 'nfluence' on america. Hes a 'hypocrtical human bing'. Thats y when i c a flag fling around outside ill salute it w/my mid. finger until theres a President that cares alot bout america & wants only 'Peace' not war. War only teaches Hypocricy 2 others around us. Man, the future is sumwhat like the past only its gott'n worse over the yrs. Ther police force of any kind sucs ***. Dam what happen 2 the world? O thats rite ppl n w/power trips dont giv a rats a-s-s bout others n the world. If ppl n general dont like war then stand nfront of what u blief n & stop war frum happening. Saying does sumthing butt not a whole lot. What wood b cool is if 1/2 of sum of the states were 2 form a large group & put their ft. down 4 peace & nstead of george ignoring the ppl actually opens hhes eyes & relize that the ppl dont want war. They just want peace.This is it 4 now. Bad Boyz 4 Life, BIGG D.
[This message was edited by YNLissa on March 07, 2003 at 06:59 AM.]
How can we say we need to go to war to gain peace? I mean, do we say "I stab myself in the heart to get rid of heart disease" or "I eat non-stop 24/7 to get thin"? President Bush says that war is needed so a democratic government can be implemented in Iraq and Palestine. Who died and gave him the right to simply get rid of someone in ANOTHER country and mess with THEIR politics. Why are trillions spent on going to war when in reality, the US is living in deficit economically and its people are also suffering from unemployment and such? Why mess with other people's business when you can't even take care of your own?
Furthermore, there has to be a legitimate reason for the whole world population to not want a war to happen irregardless of location of reason. The people who are insisting to go to war won't be the ones who actually have to fight in the war. They won't have to see the sufferings they inflict through their war nor will they ever experience the pain and the destruction of the victims be it physically, mentally or emotionally. These people merely sits in their protected offices and give orders. At the end of the day, they go back home to their family and sleep soundly. Where's the justice in that? As said by the Malaysian Prime Minister, war today is more uncivilised and barbaric than those in the StoneAge days. At least, then, the war was fought by the warriors and ruler. Women and children did not get to suffer as much as that of the ones today.
For instance, in Palestine, there is never a day where you could walk in the streets without the threat of being gunned down, humiliated or harrassed by the Israelian troops. Everyday is lived without assurance that you will still be alive to see tomorrow or if you'll still be able to see your family, friends or neighbours a second time. Will there still be a home for you to return to when you come back form work/school? Will there still be a school to go to? Wounded Palestinians in ambulances are left to die at checkpoints by the Israelian armies before they give clearance to pass.
Are the seeds of hatred and injustice what we want to plant for the future generation? Is this what the world is really about? Why is Bush trying to police the world? Must all nations practice democracy to have peace? Or is this merely a conquest to dominate the world and its resources despite the cost? We, the younger generation and future leaders must speak up and have our stand heard. War affects women and children the most. We know what it feels like to be free. Why are victims of war deprieved of their right to be free because of conflicts between their leaders? Is this the basis of world justice?
Iraq is now in the process of destroying its supposed "weapons of mass destruction", the Al-Samoud 2 under UN supervision and yet the US is still not satisfied and is still keen on waging a war against Iraq? Isn't it rather odd and contradicting? What hypocratic game is taking place here?
We are the leaders of tommorrow. If war is waged, what will be left for us to lead? We can now think for ourselves and weigh the matter logically. Isn't it obvious that war is never the solution to problems? Isn't it clear that war was a barbaric form of problem-solving used during the uncivilized days in the Medieval era? Is war a part of what is called "democracy"? How can we call ourselves modern, advanced, civilized and boast about the growth of technology when we still have the mentality of those during the StoneAge time? Where are the leaders and the people who have for so long preached about peaceful resolutions? What happened to the taechings of negotiation, sharing, compromy and humanity emphasized to the people since childhood?
We know what should and should not be done. We have to stand with what's right and in war we all know there is no justice. Since when could killing and slaughtering people be considered right? How is it war justifies these killings of billions or innocent civilians?
P/S: I would like to apologize if my opinion offends any parties and would truly appreciate it if you would please not condemn me for what I've said.
I think that we should take all the nessecary precautions but I do not think that we should go to war . I think that If we do all thats going to happen is were going to cause more problems for our self and the world .I don't know about any one else but I want to live to graduate from school next year an I don't want any of my friends to get shipped of to war right when there lives are just getting started. And I do understand that some people want to go to war but what is the war really going to prove? Nothing really, what If they really do have those weapons??? Then how long do you think there going to play fair and not use them???? Also everybody knows that they that theyare famous for suicide bombers. So that could mean that at any time during the war there can be a repeat of September 11th 2001. And also I think that the whole thing is George W.Bush's fault.. Say no to war so we can all live alot more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The reason we don't simply bomb the country is that we are not like them. When the Twin Towers were destroyed, many nations over there rejoiced, the killed upwards of 2,000 CIVILIANS, however we only want to destroy their MILITARY. If we bomb the country we kill innocent people, that is why we send in troops, because bombs don't know the difference between Saddam Hussein and a 5 month-old baby.
okay, i know i can't say anything but damn you people have no life. anyway...if everyone has such a problem with war, why don't you speak out? it's not like anyone's gonna hear you on here. i know war doesn't make any sense but neither does sitting on our *** and taking it. i'm not totally sure what this whole war is about, but i do know that it's dumb. bomb the whole damn country and voila...no more problems with the towelheads (no offense to anyone). its just a simple solution to a simple problem...men.
Wait a minute - you think Iraq was involved in September 11th? Get your facts straight! The idea that Saddam Hussein is linked in any way to Osama Bin Laden is a myth with, so far, no evidence to back it up.
The U.S wants to attack Iraq because they suspect they have weapons of mass destruction, not because of September 11th, although if people believe Saddam is linked to terrorism too, well, all the better for the pro-war stance. Which is why the government might just want to encourage the American public to believe he is. Where did you get the impression that this is a war against terrorists? Iraq did NOT start a war with the U.S. or threaten them with death, unless you mean by failing to disarm.
Al'Quaeda (sp?) did both those things, by attacking the twin towers, which is why the U.S invaded Afghanistan.
Attacking Iraq is a whole different war, however much the government might want you to think differently. Don't believe everything propaganda throws at you.
i have so many beliefs on the war that it's hard to make a decision on whether we should be going or not. It's just the fact that we aren't the people who attempted to start the war that makes me think that it may just be necessary. I don't want to wake up one morning and find out that someone busted out another september 11th on us. I just want to protect my people the best way I can- I don't give a F*** about whether other people agree with me or not. I don't like war, i don't like us sending our young men out in the battlefields to die for a cause such as this- but if they threaten us with death, then we just might as well get some of them in the process.
Most people are opposed to war, because it seems peace can't be a result. This is true, except for the fact that in this point of view it is assuming that peace is affected by war. I have to disagree with that though. Peace is something that can't be reckoned with. It can't be understood. One thing that peace and war have in common is that neither is understood. We like peace, not because we understand it, but because it's a unversial desire. We don't like war, not because we don't understand it, but because we're afraid of it. The reason why some people support this war and still want peace, is because they already have a certain part of peace.
Oh, and about the age-old question, "Why can't we just get along?" That's never gonna happen. In order to do so, we have to compromise, meaning we'd have to give up something we believe in, and in so doing, we're limiting our freedom. And freedom is worth fighting for, worth dying for. We'd also have to understand where everyone is coming from and why they do what they do. We're too eager to help ourselves, help our cause, protect our families, that we're only interested in "how's it gonna benefit me." And if you can sit here and say "o I'm not selfish; I do things for other people" with all due respect, you're lying. Because there is no such thing as a selfless deed; You do it because it satisfies yourself to know you've helped someone else. And again, with all due respect, for those of you who think our president doesn't live up to your standards, you're not trying to understand where he comes from and therefore are apart of war yourself, because there are many ways to kill a man, one being the insults you throw at him.
One last thing, war is a tool. It creates economic growth, and creativity. Plus, I'm sure you have someone related to you, or know someone who has been related to someone who has faught in a war. It's in your blood. Ask someone who's been in a war, what's it like? It's a horrible thing, but without it where would we be today?
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