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Registered: January 11, 2003
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i think america has to right to go to war, due to the horrendous act on 9/11, but the president has to think of his own people and all the innocents that are going to perish shall war really commence. i read this article about how the egyptions are against the war because it's going to draw away all of the tourists, (the main source of income for a majority of people). Bush has to consider all of those little things. they may seem insignificant, but the consequences will be hard for them. People are going to die in wars, innocents and civlians especially. is it really worth it? a few days, on 60 Minutes, there was this interview of this person(can't recall name) who was tortured by Saddam because he wouldn't help Iraq create atomic bombs. According to him, Saddam has hidden tunnels where he hides all the weapons and another special atomic-bomb-proof underground tunnel where he will hide shall the americans launch one. Saddam doesn't care if every single person in his country dies, as long as he lives, he wins. if all of that is true...then what's the point of war when all we have to kill is one person? if the queen bee dies then the workers will have no leader to lead them on...
Registered: October 30, 2002
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First of all, I think the majority (but not all) of you anti-war people are making lies and excuses for why we shouldn't go to war with Iraq. The UN Security Council said "serious consequences" would occur if Saddam failed to comply. The United States backed this up, knowing full well that this could lead to a costly war. Now, after Saddam has refused to destroy his Al Samoud missiles (which exceed his allowed range) and has not accounted for all weapons despite previous bombing and international pressure, the UN will not act against a tyrannical madman. Why are France and Russia so opposed to war? You know why? Because they have oil deals in Iraq that are many times more then our own, deals which they will ether lose or will have a greatly reduced profit from because of the increase in oil and fall in prices (something which will cause oil companies to make much less money, contrary to what some activists say). Both countries continue to have the threat of terrorism, so they fear a terror attack occurring from their growing Muslim population. Also, I suspect some anti-Semitism is involved since Iraq and France have historically been against the Israeli state. Not only that, but France has done everything from voluntarily comply with Nazis genocide during occupation (when no other occupied states did this), to failing to act against hate crimes. Chirac has had a history of corruption as well, so getting the French to lead an "anti-war" (re: appeasement for selfish reasons) effort to counteract the United States is something he can use to distract people.

Want the REAL story about a war effort? Then I'll have to parody a parody:

>THE PRO-WAR VERSION OF "BOMB IRAQ"
>written by John Robbin (spammed through the World Wide Web, as irrational propaganda)
>
>If you know they're hiding terrorists, bomb Iraq!
>If the French have oil money, bomb Iraq!
>If Saddam is too risky,
>If the French are being shifty,
>And the terrorists are being tricky
>Bomb Iraq.
>If we have east Europe with us, bomb Iraq.
>If we know they have serious weapons, bomb Iraq.
>So to hell with more ultimatums,
>The Iraqi government isn't listening,
>The peaceniks are just screaming,
>Bomb Iraq.
>Kurds dying from Saddam, bomb Iraq.
> Has Blix says the have no credibility, bomb Iraq.
> They've got weapons we do see,
>And that's our proof Europe that does not see,
>If there not there, why do they pop up so convienently?
>Bomb Iraq!
>If you know that inspections aren’t working, bomb Iraq.
> If you’re tired of non-compliance, bomb Iraq.
> If you think Saddam's gone mad,
>With the fascist government he has,
>You should really...
>Bomb Iraq!
>If your critics are delirious, bomb Iraq.
>If you have the hard left complaining, bomb Iraq.
> If people are uneasy,
>And Chirac is really sleazy,
>And he attacks America when it’s easy,
>Bomb Iraq!
> Eastern Europe knows what you’re dealing with, bomb Iraq.
>Minorities being shot there, bomb Iraq.
>Peaceniks aren’t using reason, bomb Iraq.
> "Let's roll" this season,
>Because we have a reason,
> Bomb Iraq!

Okay, childish songs and slogans aside, the anti-war movement is a formidible one that will make a war very difficult for the US and its multiple allies of East Europe, Britain, Spain, and Italy to wage a war with UN approval.
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Registered: February 24, 2003
Posts: 492
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War can't help you with this...
If the war goes they'll get more reasons to attack you because of hate.
And it's not the country trying to attack you,it's the terrorists in that place...Why should that place and innocent people get killed?!
Without the war they can go around mess up the rich countries,with the war going on in their country they CAN still do so---and they can leave farther and make it worse,as the refugees
Because they don't need the land and peace to hurt this world,they didn't depend on that in the first place at all.
All right...let it be,we'll regret anyway
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Registered: January 06, 2003
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i agree with you NewWorldHippie, bush is a m&^on, and why cant their be peace. if they attack and we go and do it chances are they do something again. so this is like a game of tag. there has to be some other way to solve our problems without having to kill so many inocent people, someway that dosent include weapons, or bombs
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Registered: February 25, 2003
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grnfrogz00 ur so stupid hitler killed millions osmma bin laden and the alqueda network killed a couple thousand americans and a few others who were citizens for other countries , we took care of osma and afganistan but iraq has not been linked to osma. so go shove ur head in a meat grinder.

respecfully,

me
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Registered: August 17, 2001
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That's a cute song
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Registered: October 05, 2002
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I got this in an email. I thought it was funny:

To be sung to the tune "if you're happy and you know it!"
>BOMB IRAQ
>by John Robbin (sent freely over the Worldweb)
>
>If you cannot find Osama, bomb Iraq!
>If the markets are a drama, bomb Iraq!
>If the terrorists are frisky,
>Pakistan is looking shifty,
>North Korea is too risky,
>Bomb Iraq.
>If we have no allies with us, bomb Iraq.
>If we think that someone's dissed us, bomb Iraq.
>So to hell with the inspections,
>Let's look tough for the elections,
> Close your mind & take directions,
>Bomb Iraq.
>It's pre-emptive non-aggression, bomb Iraq.
> To prevent this mass destruction, bomb Iraq.
> They've got weapons we can't see,
>And that's all the proof we need,
>If they're not there, they must be there,
>Bomb Iraq!
>If you never were elected, bomb Iraq.
> If your mood is quite dejected, bomb Iraq.
> If you think Saddam's gone mad,
>With the weapons that he had,
>And he tried to kill your dad,
>Bomb Iraq!
>If corporate fraud is growin', bomb Iraq.
>If your ties to it are showin', bomb Iraq.
> If your politics are sleazy,
>And hiding that ain't easy,
>And your manhood's getting queasy,
>Bomb Iraq!
> Fall in line and follow orders, bomb Iraq.
>For our might knows not our borders, bomb Iraq.
>Disagree? We'll call it treason,
> Let's make war not love this season,
>Even if we have no reason,
> Bomb Iraq!

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Registered: October 10, 2002
Posts: 260
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if it was so simple as to everyone "just getting along" then there wouldn't be wars.
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Registered: August 06, 2002
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What does war acieve? If we wanna get rid of the terrorist threat throug war, we're gonna have to kill a large part of the Arabic nations. Is that the way to go? HEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLL NO
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Registered: August 06, 2002
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here's my antiwar essay, here goes nothin:


As National Security Advisor, how would I prevent war with Iraq?

Albert Einstein once said, “Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved through understanding.” As the National Security Advisor, I would emphasize the positive consequences of exploring humane alternatives to war with Iraq. Ending the economically subverting sanctions that America still supports, would be the first piece of anti-terrorism policy that I’d help push through Congress. Relieving the Iraqi people of these economic sanctions, would definitely ameliorate the anti-American sentiments in Iraq, because it would help improve the dire economy that the Iraqi’s have endured for the past decade. The economy would develop by opening the country for many job opportunities. With the increase of available jobs, Iraqis may feel that America is taking the initiative to understanding their struggle. Thus, a people who notice that their feelings are being taken into consideration, are less likely to desire violent change through terrorist acts.
Another method to reducing global tension and the likelihood for additional terrorist attacks is by deliberating American disarmament. If we expect other countries to destroy their weapons of mass destruction, we have to assure them with evidence that we are willing to practice our preachings. Though a controversial matter, I would inundate the President with evidence of the enormous health and environmental
threat that our nuclear weapons pose to the public, and future generations. Just by storing the weapons, the nuclear waste that our dormant weapons produce, send a myriad of different toxins into the air! President Bush would surely consider alternatives to his present war hawk agenda.
Our unyielding support of the Israelis in the middle-eastern crisis definitely contributed to our victimization during the 9-11 attacks. For this reason, I’d implore the President to take a more objective stance in dealing with the problem. Favoritism in regards to foreign policy is never a constructive behavior. The Arabic and Palestinian people clearly see this prejudice, in the policies of America and feel that they are being excluded from America’s political circle of “compassion”. This isolation shoves them into the belief that they must radicalize their ideas in hopes to defend their culture and livelihood. Exclusion from America’s humanitarian policies also force the Palestinians to become intractable when it comes to peace talks, and possible reconciliations. By the President being more understanding of the struggle that the Israelis and the Palestinians undergo, Palestinians would likely acquire less abhorrent feelings for the US, and the probability for future terrorist attacks on American soil would decrease.
Though Iraq and various Arabic nations pose a threat to America, President Bush needs to realize that these aren’t the only countries that have anti-American sentiments. Limiting our anti-terrorist efforts to these countries blinds us of the threat that other nations pose, thus making America an easy target. As National Security Advisor, I’d gather evidence that reflects the worldwide opposition to America.

By showing him that there are more countries to than just Iraq and Afghanistan to be alarmed about, he’d undoubtedly globalize his anti-terrorist efforts. This would help secure America from future terrorist attacks by allowing us to investigate more governments regarding their feelings toward America; and their possession of nuclear weapons.
In conclusion, my suggestions to the President, as the National Security Advisor would emphasize peaceful and compassionate alternatives to war with Iraq and other countries. There are many alternatives to violent occupation that have not been explored by the Bush administration. Though an army can destroy a “dictatorial regime”, it is quite likely that it will be unable to placate the feelings of the people, or gain their trust. An anonymous philosopher once articulated, “War doesn’t show who’s right, just who’s left.” Unfortunately, the only thing that will be left after war with Iraq, are the remains of civilians.
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Registered: November 09, 2002
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Just for your information grnfrogz00, 9/11 happened because of terrorist from Afganistan, not the Iraqi goverment, but I agree that sometimes other countries make war necessary, not right, but still necessary.
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Registered: October 15, 2001
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unfortunately, we need war. it is something that must be done. A good friend of mine said it takes a lifetime of war to acheive a moment of peace. You would be surprised to know that many of the students at military academies one goal is world peace. I am one of the most peace loving people i know, and i can't help but agree to this war. Sure, President Bush may not be doing it the right way, but atleast he is taking action. Even though we need war, there is a limit.
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Registered: April 18, 2002
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i also think that bush is a moron. but you could have the smartest person alive as our president and war would still exist. war should be a last option. but it will always be an option.
Registered: January 29, 2003
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nobody wants war..but you need it. Without war we would still be a part of Britain, there would still be slavery, Hitler...stop trying to a freeloving hippie and read a little history. Do you think its ok that they killed so many on sept 11th, and we just sit here as we attacked? almost everyday you hear of terrorist bombs in isreal...they need to be stopped! Mad
Registered: January 30, 2002
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I tell you why we have wars! Its because some people cant spell. For instance right now I want to sucka punch you right in the eye. J/K How can you spell suck wrong? Big Grin
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Registered: March 13, 2002
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It's pretty to think so isn't it?
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