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Registered: November 06, 2001
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I realize that the war is a very imporant issue but does anybody care about preserving the environment anymore. We only have one planet to live on and each day more of the rainforest is being eaten up, and more species are either on the verge of being extinct or going extinct. Then there's the environment in your local community. Do you recycle, throw your litter in the garbage can, and just do your own small part to save this planet we live on and depend completely on? We didnt' inherit the earth from our parents, we're borrowing it from our kids that are yet to come. Marlayna  |
Registered: December 06, 2005
Posts: 126
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quote: Originally posted by ampmaster:
Not really an all veggie diet is actually bad for you.
not in the sense that you'll keel over and die next week if you eat only veggies but in the sense that you'll lose vital amoino acids now you can make a few of them up in nuts and the like but several of them that are essential to a full function body are only found in meat so for the ultimate in preformance for your body your diet should contain lot's of fruit and veggie, carbs(bread and stuff) and lean meats, like fish and fowl, lean beef and pork are also good for you. Other meat animals that are very health is any wild game animal, deer tend to be healthier and leaner for you then any type of free range beef
Oh, ampmaster! I'm beginning to think that it would be a lifetime's work just to re-aquaint you with reality. The facts of the matter are that an all-vegatable diet is perfectly healthy - just ask www.mypyramid.gov. The amino acids needed to create a complete protein are provided by any combination of legume and whole grain or nut/seed and whole grain. The only nutrient missing from a vegan diet is vitamin B-12, and the amounts required by the body are so minute as to require ingestion of meat maybe once a year - in fact, the body can store enough b-12 to supply itself for years without replenishment. mac123: Dude! With selective quotation skills like that, I'd say you've got a great future at FoxNews. |
Registered: February 22, 2004
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that she's an omnivore like the rest of the sane?
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: March 16, 2006
Posts: 39
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quote: Originally posted by ducksworshipme89:
Lol, come on don't edit like that to make me sound crazy!
lol that is actually what you said.
but we know what you meant |
Registered: January 06, 2006
Posts: 48
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quote: Originally posted by mac123: quote: Originally posted by ducksworshipme89:
I am a vegatarian and while I understand your point of view I personally am not a vegatarian
Having a dual personality must be cool...
Lol, come on don't edit like that to make me sound crazy!
" If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other" -Mother Teresa
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Registered: March 06, 2006
Posts: 59
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My apologies for posting the wrong reply in the wrong forum!   .Well very little chance of saving the planet and the habitats now.... |
Registered: March 06, 2006
Posts: 59
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How about creating a city from scratch in thew desert regions of Africa?After all thats the region of our origins  (not to mention it could aid in the local development of that area  ) |
Registered: February 22, 2004
Posts: 13926
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Not really an all veggie diet is actually bad for you. not in the sense that you'll keel over and die next week if you eat only veggies but in the sense that you'll lose vital amoino acids now you can make a few of them up in nuts and the like but several of them that are essential to a full function body are only found in meat so for the ultimate in preformance for your body your diet should contain lot's of fruit and veggie, carbs(bread and stuff) and lean meats, like fish and fowl, lean beef and pork are also good for you. Other meat animals that are very health is any wild game animal, deer tend to be healthier and leaner for you then any type of free range beef
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: March 12, 2006
Posts: 6
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this whole veggie/vegan v.s. meateaters thing is confusing becuase veggie's have different reasons for beco,ing vegetarians. A lot fo people don't want to eat animals/hurt animals but i think that's kind of bs. I mean, lions eat antelopes or whatever naturally all the time. It's in the natural cycle of things. BUT, after talking to some people who are vegatarians for the energy perspective (there are stats about it.. one field feed one cow that feeds four people -bad example but whatever- or one field feed 100 people.) by not going through the cow, energy is concerved and we could be feeding a lot more people. In fact, if everyone went veggie, we would probably not have very many hungry out there, land and energy would be so well conserved...
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Registered: March 06, 2006
Posts: 59
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At a local level things arebeginning to move.But even those measures cannot complete against the largest polluters in the world...i.e.US, China, Japan etc |
Registered: August 20, 2003
Posts: 1689
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I love how countries such as Germany are fined if their household waste exceeds the weight limit.
The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mystical. It is the source of all true art and science. --Albert Einstein
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Registered: December 15, 2003
Posts: 168
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If every person did their own small part in cleaning up this planet such as recycling, picking up litter, using water saving shower heads, using SUVs only when needed such as farmes, ranchers, and others who need the space and ruggedness of SUVs, eliminating Hummers, following gov regulations that have to do with the environment and other similar things this planet would be a better place for everyone to live.
Smile cuz life is too short not to enjoy!
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Registered: January 12, 2005
Posts: 750
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quote: Originally posted by ducksworshipme89:
I am a vegatarian and while I understand your point of view I personally am not a vegatarian
Having a dual personality must be cool...
Indecision may or may not be my problem
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Registered: January 06, 2006
Posts: 48
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quote: Originally posted by NuShoesAgain:
This is precisely why, whenever I meet someone claiming to be vegetarian/vegan, the first thought that crosses my mind is, "oh great, someone else who's going to try to ram some b$ propaganda down my throat."
I admit that I am not an expert on farming and food production. What I DO know is that human beings (normal ones, that is) are meant to eat meat. That's why were are omnivores and not herbivores. If you don't like that fact, take it up with the chimps and orangutans.
I am a vegatarian and while I understand your point of view I personally am not a vegatarian because I feel that people shouldn't eat meat, but because of the way people treat the animals intended for slaughter. They live terrible lives filled with pain and suffering and have all of their natural rights as animals taken away. If this could change and they were treated with respect they deserve as living beings perhaps I would rethink my decision. Look up Friends of Animals if for info on these animals if you like.
" If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other" -Mother Teresa
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Registered: May 11, 2005
Posts: 4
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more animals, plants,people, and our environment die a little more everyday because of the shape our planet is in...no matter what anyone thinks there is plenty we can do to help save whats left of this world. For starters recycling, not using as much water by soending less time in the bathtub, not litering, picking up the liter thats already there, throwing out cigeretts, and walking to work and school more (because duh its good excerise and less air polution...
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Registered: October 22, 2002
Posts: 1068
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This is precisely why, whenever I meet someone claiming to be vegetarian/vegan, the first thought that crosses my mind is, "oh great, someone else who's going to try to ram some b$ propaganda down my throat."
I admit that I am not an expert on farming and food production. What I DO know is that human beings (normal ones, that is) are meant to eat meat. That's why were are omnivores and not herbivores. If you don't like that fact, take it up with the chimps and orangutans.
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Registered: December 19, 2002
Posts: 1704
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Did you know that pollution in North America was down last time they checked? (2001) lookie |
Registered: March 13, 2002
Posts: 3477
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quote:
Is it possible for you to get you head out of the conservative BS sand and believe that if we change our ways, good things CAN happen?
Is it possible for you to get your head out of the liberal BS sand and blieve that good things ARE happening? quote:
My point being that the land used up for meat production could be used instead for organic and free range farming.
Funny, because you're original post contained nothing but generalizations about the meat industry as a whole. Look: quote:
How exacly is this a lie when it is a known fact that the meat industry causes more water pollution the the US than any other industries combined because the animals raised for food produce 130 times more excreatement than the entire human poplaution and a typical pig factory farm generates enough raw waste to be equal to a city of 12,000 people. And of all the agricultural land in the US, 87% is used to raise animals for food, infact, TWENTY times more land is required to feed a meat eater than a vegetarian. The meat industry also consumes more than half of all the water used in the US, it takes 2,500 gallons of water to produce a pound of meat. Rainforests are also being distroyed in the meat industry, at the rate of 125,000 square miles per year to create space to raise animals for food. For every quarter pound hamburger made of rainforest beef, 55 square feet of ranforest is distroyed. And producing a single hamburger patty usues enough fossil fuel to drive a small car 20 miles and enough water for 17 showers.
But lets get back on track... quote:
ANY factory DOES contribute to the pollution of out earth, including meat factories AND GE food factories. It doesn't matter how poorly the factory is run, the fact remains that it DOES procuce pollution, and a great deal of it too.
And our Earth can sustain a good amount of pollution. It's not like I'm for indescriminant dumping. That's opposite the truth. I'm just for rationality. We can pollute some, and things will be fine. We have to look at the overall impact on our quality of life and prosperity. quote:
AND GE food factories
GE food factories?!?!?Genetically engineered crops are grown just like any other. They're just enhanced breeds. There is NO factory involved. Where the hell did you get that idea? quote:
And I suppose that it takes a pound of wheat a hundred years to grow?
My point was lost on you. I know it takes more water to produce beef. My point was that your statistics are screwed up and misleading. quote:
No, not in our current state we cannot feed an entire population on purely organic food, but if we start making changes now, in the future we can.
Maybe if we were 3 billion people lighter and a lot more organized. All we'd do now by trying to change is cause massive depression and famine. |
Registered: December 20, 2002
Posts: 236
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Is it possible for you to get you head out of the conservative BS sand and believe that if we change our ways, good things CAN happen? My point being that the land used up for meat production could be used instead for organic and free range farming. ANY factory DOES contribute to the pollution of out earth, including meat factories AND GE food factories. It doesn't matter how poorly the factory is run, the fact remains that it DOES procuce pollution, and a great deal of it too. Again WHERE THE HELL did I state I was trying to push Veganism? In case you don't know, vegan is different from vegetarian. quote:
It takes 25 gallons of water PER SEASON to make one pound of wheat. It takes 2.5k gallons spread over several years for the same amount of beef.
And I suppose that it takes a pound of wheat a hundred years to grow? quote:
We can't feed our world population on organic food. Notice how there are only a few stores and sections that sell organic, and that it is signifigantly higher in price.
Widespread organic farming would be disasterous to our environment.
No, not in our current state we cannot feed an entire population on purely organic food, but if we start making changes now, in the future we can. |
Registered: March 13, 2002
Posts: 3477
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Why don't you stop pushing your anti-envoroment anti-animal rights ways?
I've only repsonded to your constant theme promoting extremist animal rights. quote:
And no, AR people AREN'T the only people who know that the meat industry is murder on the environment, just go to any envoronmentalist
Politically, AR and extremist enviormental orgranizations have been collaborating, and in many areas are the SAME organization. Go to real institutions that don't have an agenda and you'll see very little suggesting the abolition of the meat industry. quote:
where are YOUR facts coming from?
http://www.usda.govquote:
and it will state just how bad that factory farms are for the environment. Factory farms have just as much influence on the pollution of our planet as other issues such as logging, "other" factory pollution, car pollution, littering/garbage, toxic waste, ect.
So then logically, you SHOULD have stated that poorly run factory farms are a major source of pollution. Instead you generalized the entire meat industry because you're really trying to push a vegan agenda. quote:
yes, I do know just how much water goes into makeing a pound of wheat, 25 gallons, as opposed to 2,500 gallond for a pound of meat.
Ah, and now we see a flaw in your method of statistics. It takes 25 gallons of water PER SEASON to make one pound of wheat. It takes 2.5k gallons spread over several years for the same amount of beef. This discrepency shows how your statisitcs are manipulated, misleading, and flawed, and basically calls the whole thing into question. I want a source for this. quote:
hello? when did I ever mention using chemical fertalizer and herbicides on the plants? there IS something called oragnic, and there are several stores, not to mention sections of the grocery store, that carry naturally grown plants (and free range dairy and meat products) which are grown without the harmfull chemical pesticides and fertalizers and genetically engeneering that are murder on the environment and on our health.
Ah good I routed you into going for the organic BS. What does truely organic farming require? Millions of beasts of burden, and millions if not billions of tons of animal-produced fertilizer. This means not only do we have millions of animals still taking up feed and water and sh1tting all over the place, but we also working at a slower pace. We can't feed our world population on organic food. Notice how there are only a few stores and sections that sell organic, and that it is signifigantly higher in price. Widespread organic farming would be disasterous to our environment. quote:
genetically engeneering that are murder on the environment and on our health.
Gentically engineered plants have saved billions of people from starvation. If you're going to want to feed the world with minimal manufactured chemicals, then you're going to have to rely on new plants. Check out these sites: http://www.greenspirit.com/index.cfmhttp://www.lomborg.com/http://www.cato.org/research/nat-studies/index.html |
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