If everyone on this site needs to resort to childish name calling show that you have a 'lack' of facts to properly back your arguement, you are immature and you are simply ignorant.

If you people think we can somehow run this planet to the ground toyou are very ignorant. The goal of every nation is make money because with money comes strength. If a nation is not conserened with making money they get swalloed up by nations that are. Profit has and always will come at the expensive of nature.

The oceans do take up 2/3 of the surface of the earth, but what about their volume? You seem to have overlooked, strangelove, the fact that oceans have a far greater accesable volume than all of the land masses combined. If you are so concerned with beaty, stragnelove, than why aren't you for ocean dumping? Wouldn't you rather hav beatiful land than trash filled land mass? I would. You can't have it both ways strangleove (It seems that you want it both ways for everything. The enviroment, Communism, The Pledge Alligance and Racial Porfiling. Why is that?).

Anti pulloution laws are simply a way for the government ot make a profit off of succesful companies. That is sad. The government, and the crazy liberals, love to critize big buisness pollutiuion but they love all they money the government gets from it. The government forces 'polluters' to use pay taxes because the government is not smart enough to find other ways to make money. Anti Pollution laws SHOULD ALL be lifted.

All the money used for anti pollution should go to a military build up. Once we are built up we can invade third world countries and use them as land fills. Why not? You seem to be infavor of land dumping strangelove, how could you disagree with that?

If he's worried about making money then he's going about it in a complety backwards manner. If I can use an analogy, what marine16 is suggesting is akin to welding the hood of your car shut and running it into the ground. Matinence and moderation is the key. The planet is finite, and ecsystems VITAL TO PROFITABLITY would be destroyed if we were to "rape this planet all we want".

Oceans: They make up about 2/3 of the earths surface, not mass. You cannot just dump waste into them and expect it to go away. People will die, industries will be destroyed, countries will fall. Why? Because even though the oceans are big, they aren't that big. Pollution spreads much farther in water than it does in soil. I live in New Jearsy and remember what our beaches looked like while New York was dumping it's trash and sewage straight into the ocean. you could not swim in the water without getting horribe rashes and diseases, and the beaches were covered in trash, diapers, broken glass, and tires. This is a direct result of what you propose.
We have tried that, and it causes death and disease. And while we're on it, why not just stop using sewer systems all together and just defecate right on the streets like we used to. No more pesky upkeep there eh?
I don't know, maybe I am too much of a romantic, but the goal of humanity is not profit or production, but cultural acheivement and scientific discovery. My veiw leads to better quality of life for the long term, yours leads to the dystopia described by Upton Sinclair, or George Orwell.

Your childish lack of knowladge calls for childish name calling. Your pseudo-evidence is almost completely bunk, and if you believe in it, you really, truely are an ignorant idiot. Not childish name calling, but the facts.

I agree with Strangelove: Marine16 is a moron. Come on. Do you really believe what you are saying, Marine16? Sure, the Earth will be standing hundreds of years from now. But will the ozone layer be intact? What kind of an earth will it be? One where everyone dies from breathing in the dirt pollution from industries.

Rainforests. I am guessing that you are not an animal person. Do you know how many species live in the rainforest? Millions!!! What would happen to them??? Where would oxygen come from???

If we destroy habitats, our whole ecosystem will eventually collapse. We will all be living miserably in a dirty world where everybody is sick.

I used to live in Southern CA. Every day, you can see the smog around the mountains. It's hard to breathe there from the pollution. You really want that to happen to the whole world? (Sorry, I love CA, I'm not trying to bash it!)

Oceans, I still don't understand your logic. That
would pollute the beaches, kill animals, and then the oceans, the most diverse place in the world, you be dead. Can you honestly say you don't care about our natural wonders?

Do you only care about $$$? It was the basis of your weak tobacco argument, and now for why we should kill the earth. You need to rearrange your priorities.

My tip to those who want to conserve the planet: RECYCLE!!! It's one of the best ways to save!!! Recycle everything possible. Thanks.

To say we could destroy the earth is just plain ignorant and proof that there are ill educated people. Are you people some how suggesting that we could somehow turn this planet into and inhabbitual gas mass like mars? Are you people suggesting we could somehow turn this planet into an inhabbitaul solid rock mass like the moon? Are you people suggesting we could somehow create inhabbitual tempatures? (Don't say we can ruin the ozone because we allready in some parts and those people are doing fine. They're just a little hot. And even if the ice bergs did melt nothing wof signifigance would happen because they are currently displacing water.) Are you people suggesting that somehow we could fill up 70% of the earth with garbage, despite decomposition? Are you people suggesting that we could somehow run out of oxygen despite the fact that is impossible and we can create it? Are you people suggesting that eventually the earth will become one large garbage dump, despite the fact that that is outrageoues and unrealaistic?

im afraid i must agree with strangelove, marine16 is an idiot, anyone who cannot see the importance of preserving the inviorment is an idiot. (no offence to anyone this is merely my opinion) sorry ive gone astray as well but im outraged by the idea of destroying the earth.

I apologize to Marylan for straying but...

Strangelove, it is intersting that you refer to me as the idiot? I am not the idiot that resorts to using correlations to 'prove' my nonexistant arguement. I am not the idiot that wants to waste billions of dollars on saving a planet that you and I both know will be standing in 200 years. I am not the idiot that resorts to saying 'quite simply wrong' as the basis of one of my 'arguments'. I am not the idiot that resorts to using childish name callings to get my 'point' across. I am not the idiot that argues waste should be put on land instead of in water which constitutes more than 70% (My numbers could be off) of the Earths mass. I am not the idiot that is still caught in the Romantic era saying that a rain forest has a better purpose as a 'beauty' and 'wonder' than serving the world's industrial needs. No, Stranglelove, I believe you are the idiot; the 'idiot, idiot, idiot' (it is sad that I have to stoop to your level and call you names but I simply think you lack the intelligence to understand anything else.)

Let's talk for a minute about the first amendment. I hope that never in your life you have advocated it because if you did you are a hypocrite. You told everyone to 'ignore' my opinion. You tried to muffle my first ammendment right. If you must resort to muffling my first ammendment to 'prove' your 'arguement' than you are a sad and pathetic individual who obviously lacks integrity.

I apologize for straying from this site but I was personally attacked and I have a right to rebute what Strangelove said.

Marine16, your either a moron, or purposely trying to post inflammatory falsehoods.

1.) Most anti-polution laws regulate emissions and toxic waste. Laws on the books as far as landfills go are only there to keep the quite toxic runoff from tainting water supplies. Trash goes somewhere.
2.) Idiot, Idiot, Idiot. What's different from land and water? Put simply land is solid, water is liquid. Dumping trash and toxic waste into the ocean pollutes a much larger area than if on land. Sanitary landfilling to create more landmass, such as in Boston, or part of Ellis Island isn't as bad, but still not a good idea. The oceans are big, but our waste production is bigger. Waste produces vast fluctuations in the chemical makeup of water, destroying ecosystems, fish stocks, and beachs. Do you realize how much money would be lost if the beach industry of the Eastern Seaboard and Carribean were destroyed?
3.) That can be argued with some sense, but the real point is usefulness over beauty and wonder. Would you fill in the Grand Canyon so a mall or farmland could be built over it?
4.)Ah yes, lets go back to the days of slavery, because that's much much more profitable than paying wages. Your argument lacks any common sense.
5.)Quite simply wrong.

Hopefully your not serious about any of the "arguments" you posted. And if you are, be warned that no person with any inkling of intelligence will take you seriously.

Well, Aimee, I am glad you asked. I think the government should lift anti-pollution laws for several reasons:

1) Trash has to go somewhere.
2) The Ocean is much larger than all our land masses combined. Garbage and waste should go into the ocean. Finding fresh drinking water will never be a problem. I would much rather have a dirty ocean than a dirty backyard.
3) Chopped down, the rainforest has much more use for us than it does standing.
4) The companies we associated as 'heavy' polluters are the biggest money makers. The government shouldn't make them spend their own money to prevent pollution. It is like the government is punishing them for making money.
5) We can rape this planet all we want and, let's be honest, our children will still have a place to grow up.

Would you like to tell us why you feel the government should lift all anti-pollution laws?

The government should lift all anti-pollution laws.

While CO2 may (and i stress MAY, there is by no means a consensus on the global warming issue) be a problem it is extremely difficult to eliminate it from power plant emmissions. If you've ever taken high school chemistry you know that it's one of the primary biproducts of buring petroleum.
Therefore Bush really hasn't caused major damage, to the global warming problem. What you guys should be worried about are particulates (ie. soot, which happens to be more effective as a greenhouse agent than CO2), sulfur dioxide, and CFCs. Those can be taken out effectivly and reletively cheaply.

As for the rainforest, they're worth saving only for beuty and diverity. While they in themselves are wonderful ecosystems, they are in no way essential to life on Earth. And definetly are not "the lungs of the world". If your looking for that it's nice, unphotogenic algae.

It all comes down to the fact that we're going to run out of petroleum some time, and it's going to be unprofitable long before that. Profit drives industry, something will break before we're dead.

Funding for Fusion power.

i thought no one talks about that here haha you're awesome marlayna! we should keep our earth green no matter what. and i mean NO MATTER WHAT. destroy those paper plants! lol um i'm no terrorist k? i just thought we need less papers and more trees.

I so totally agree! We seem to care more about everything else then what is really important-our planet, earth. your completely right! We didn't inherit this from our parents were borrowing it from our kids. I mean geese come on! I so think the enviroment deserves a better reconization then its getting. We have to keep things runing smoothly or one day we won't have anything to keep runing. We'll live in a smog polluted dirty water where theres no plants, animals or anything. People have got to start doing there part. its not right that we sit by and watch it happen.

I think that we need a lot more legislation and attention toward the environment (maybe when we get a new president will have some). It really makes me mad that Bush says CO2 doesnt hurt the environment. He as too much of an affiliation with the oil companies.
Some people want to complain about the environment and then do nothing to help or want to spend a penny on it!
I plan on going into environmental Engineering and then into Environmental Law so I ahve my plan.

I agree with you greenpartyman! Bush needs to do more to protect the environment. So does the Canadian government (I live in Canada). Most governments seem not to care about the damage that is being done to the planet. We need leaders that do care about Earth!

Bush really sucks in this department, clinton established several orders in so as to protect the enviorment, and Bush has gotten rid of all of them ,for example, clinton had a plan to phase snowmobiles out of Yellowstone park, Bush has gotten rid of that, these vehicles are stupid, they're ineffecent, highly polluntant, loud, and obnoxious, there are snow coaches, which are much better, basicly they're simply vans with treads instead of wheels, they carry more people make less noise, and polute less, George Bush is too short sited to see this,:mad: also he now wants to start drilling in the artic, which will destroy huge amounts of land, all for very little oil, the real motivation here isn't idependence from the middle east, its giving the oil companies exactly what they want. Well that's I'll I have to say

I'm afraid it will take a huge natural disaster to get us off our collective behinds and stop being so wasteful...
Do you guys remember the early '90's, when environmental causes were a big trend? I do (although I was just a little kid). Why have we ignored it? These problems haven't gone away! I remember a conversation I had once with a friend of mine. I said that I thought that environmental causes were actually more pressing issues than human issues, because if the earth becomes unliveable, we'll ALL DIE, no matter who we are or what our life is like. He disagreed and said it's much more important to help people above all things. I know it sounds really controversial, because I know we're all about helping people here (and so am I), but the environment affects EVERYONE.
The biggest problem with helping clean up the earth is that it practically can take a change of lifestyle. I know it's hard for me; I waste a lot of water every day, and I use paper products way more than I should. But if environmental issues were more important in our society, more people like me would remember to cut back on waste. (Gotta remember... ;P)

I did a project on the o-zone layer in third grade, and until today I haven't really thought about trying harder to help my earth, thanks guys.

We do need to do something, each one of us, to clean up the Earth and its sickened environments. If all of us would pitch in a little, many hands could do in less time what it would take years to do with one person. The sacrifices of the many benefit the many and the few.

I care Marlayna!
People are so caught up in other issues that they often don't realize that we're destroying the earth we live on, and soon won't even have other issues to care about! The rain forests are constantly being destroyed, huge holes in the atmosphere are being created, species becoming extinct, and 100s of acres of forest being swept away everyday. Recycle please!