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Picture of yogore
Registered: February 02, 2004
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America is totally and without comparism spoilt


We are not spoilt. Spoiled maybe. And were you going for "comparison"? And if you were, that makes no sense. Without comparison no one is spoiled because there is no standard for unspoiled.

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we have a government which doesn't kill members of its own country and which runs on a democratic system.


I don't think that's called being spoiled.

And spoiled isn't having things that are necessary. I'm not spoiled because I have a text book at school, I am spoiled because my parents pay for me to play in a local orchestra and because I own a $4000 french horn.

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whose very foundation was established on God have to champion all known Anti-Christ activities,like Abortion,gay marriages,homosexuality and other vices


And being spoiled has nothing to do with moral justifications. you can be spoiled in a contry whose principles were not built on god. Homosexuality isn't a sign of being spoiled. Please tell me how that makes sense at all.


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Registered: September 19, 2004
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To tell the gospel truth,America is totally and without comparism spoilt. Tell me what moral justification does a country whose very foundation was established on God have to champion all known Anti-Christ activities,like Abortion,gay marriages,homosexuality and other vices?Infact the Americans are overemphasising and abusing this issue of human right.I think it is high time we propagated God right,because to do His will is the only reason why we are created and not to eat fat,**** and urinate.
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Registered: September 19, 2004
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to tell you the truth, I will say that we are spoiled.

we have a government which doesn't kill members of its own country and which runs on a democratic system.

we are considered a world power. we have a good economy.

we have food on our plate. some of our cares are gas prices and who we want to elect.

we are spoiled, but it's not necessarily bad. this country has struggled for a long time, to get where we are. there are countries who are *not* well off, and we are much more priviledged than they are. since we aren't in a bad situation, we need to help them.

it doesn't help whining about being spoiled. Canada, Europe, Japan, America we're all spoiled countries. some more so than others.

I will say that I am spoiled. I learned how to drive a stickshift car, so I could be more fuel efficient. I go to a private school, and I play water polo, wasting water that could be used. it's not like it's only the people sitting in their corporate penthouses sipping martinis are the only spoiled ones. we're all spoiled. get over it.
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Registered: December 11, 2003
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Yes gemini, but at least your country has something others don't, that chance to get help. Outside the US, in a lot of countries, you loose your job, whatever because no one is helping you.


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Registered: July 07, 2004
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geminiangel521:

Look, I respect what you're saying, but I'm an American andIbelieve that we're spoiled.

I have a pen-pal in Mali, Africa (long story, please don't ask) who barely has paper to write to me, let alone money.

I've seen pictures of her school, and it's scary. No one has shoes, they each get about one piece of paper to write on each week, they share desks and books and everything.

And they're LUCKY. Most of the schools around them don't even get that much. Only a few people in the school have a telephone. Just about everyone in America has at least a phone AND cell-phone not to mention a television, a car, a computer (obviously, other wise we wouldn't be typing this) and more food in their pantry and fridge than these people eat in a couple months.

I've even BEEN to Kenya and there are people in one of the richest, biggest cities in the country living in cardboard boxes stacked together to house over two families. I've seen it with my two eyes. They don't have homes and shelters like we do in America.

Whether you like to admit it or not, that's extremly spoiled compared to those people. And that's only in one country. I haven't even BEGUN to mention the rest of Africa, Asia and South America.

iamastar:

That's a REALLY GOOD QUESTION. Let's say you and I discuss it, shall we? (lol)

But, seriously, I'm not sure. Maybe if we made a thread or something and eveyrone on that thread donated just a little to the organization of our choice, like once a month or something, that would help. At least it would get us started on brainstorming. IDK.


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Registered: July 07, 2004
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No offense to Americans, including myself, but we ARE spoiled.

We're not only spoiled, but BULLIES about it too!

We want to be top country, and we ARE. So please tell me why we are rubbing it in the face of the world? The French are very blunt in telling us "Yes, we all know you're at the top. Now, either be the leader or a team player. You can't be both. And don't expect that we'll all LIKE listening to what you say. You can't please everyone and still be the head country."

And they are absolutely right! We either have to be the leaders of the world or be a good TEAM player. You can't be both in politics.

Also, did you know that France, that is about the size of TEXAS, gives more charity and money to help third world countries such as Africa than we do? By millions of dollars. Little France that isn't even a FITH of America.

Isn't that just sad?


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Registered: March 29, 2003
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thanks lord iceland got it right..when most of us in the 3rd world country tell u american ppl to show more gratitude toward what u have u ppl just fret its more to make u ppl reliase how lucky u are than to make u feel guilty,...

i dont understand why ppl take it in the wrong sense....


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Registered: July 28, 2003
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We are a very industrious people, we work a lot, but we're still spoiled. Many kids don't know how they have the things they do...they just assume it's how everyone else lives, when many others live with a lot less, more efficiently.


"To see the world in a grain of sand, and heaven in a wild flower. Hold infinity in the palm of your hand, and eternity in an hour..." -William Blake
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Registered: September 11, 2004
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Look howYOUdoin, I am an American myself. And I STILL consider us all to be shameful.!


"Drop out of school before your mind rots from our mediocre educational system" Frank Zappa
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Registered: February 06, 2004
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There's always that same discrimination against Americans. But we work just as hard, if not harder, for what we want and need.


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Registered: June 22, 2004
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Yes, I do think that America is spoiled but from what I've read in this thread so does everyone else for the same reasons but my question is what are somethings we can do about it to change that image? I mean we are the "next generation" so instead of standing here and saying our counrty is spoiled (which it is) why don't we try to do something about it?


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Registered: September 16, 2004
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Fat , stupid AND spoiled.....deffintely...
I mean , there are hundreds of thousands of people and children starving to death , but you don't give a damn!! For gods sake, you have McDonadls every 100 meters and you earn more than you can possibly spend!!
You say if you help them , you'll become like them.. You will not become like them , but your "life-style" may change a bit, but at least the needy will be better!!
In general , you say(excuse profanity) "**** everyone , I care only about myself and i wanna eat burgers!!"

So yea...america IS spoiled.
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Registered: September 11, 2004
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I am going to be as blunt as possible...americans are a bunch of energy guzzling swines!!


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Registered: August 17, 2001
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Now in the U.S. you loose a job or something and its cool because you get stuff like welfare and medical insurance and whatever so its nothing to die about. In other words, you wont starve.


If you lose a job in the United States, you're eligible for unemployment grants, which are only given to you for one to six months. If you have children and have no job, you're eligible for welfare. Now, when I say "eligible," I mean that you're not GUARANTEED to get that money. Also, the money doesn't just "pop-up." The working American taxpayers pay for that. Though it's a socialist government program, it helps many people, but not all of them.

Also, there are hundreds of thousands of Americans without medical insurance. The government doesn't "give" you insurance. Again, you may be eligible for Medicaid, but only if your income is substantially low. Insurance is not free, because medical expenses are not regulated by the American government.

Lastly, there are thousands of Americans without homes, who rely on soup kitchens and charities to feed and house them daily. It's not just a third-world problem, and you all seem to be ignoring that.

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Some people in third world countries work just as hard as we do to make a living, but don't get the priviledges that we do


To rephrase what you just said, America is spoiled because the governments of third-world countries are unable to financially take care of the needs of their citizens? Yes; this makes sense.

We have what we do because we work for it; and, in our economic system (which is capitalism, for any of you without much a clue), you cannot better yourselves or the economy without hard work.

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Some people in third world countries work just as hard as we do to make a living, but don't get the priviledges that we do.

Africa has no stable governments. Look at the revolts and civil wars going on there. It's not America's fault that their chosen system of government does not work. Ours does, therefore our standard of living is much better. It's not simply how hard you work; it's also how you're able to benefit from that hard work.

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America is spoiled. How can you not be when you have access to anything you want from stores to jobs to having the ability of being able to speak your opinion.

We work for everything we have; we earned it. Americans work to earn money and, very simply, are able to spend that money on their wants. No one is given iPods by the government. People who work have money to purchase them. Understand?
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They are fat but dont worry about it because it is considered a disability now and the government will take care of their terrible eating behavoirs.

That was intelligent... therefore:
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Americans have opinions without justification and usualy they only have them because they heard someone speaking about them and they dont bother to think of the possible damage it will do to themselves or others

... your opinion does not matter. If you want to live in a society where everyone must be thin, un-opinionated drones, move to China.
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If a grocery store is not near by and takes more than 10 minutes to drive to , it is most likely that theywill complain or just live with it because a few understand that they do not live in city.


What are you talking about?
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Americans simply put are ungreatful spoiled idiots ( generalization so there will always be anexception). So spoiled that they JOKE about curruption in their government and EVERYONE knows about it but only a few actualy try to do something about it and are usualy looked down upon when they try.

Where do you live? Honestly, you need to wake up. Reality isn't always picture-perfect, like whatever world you're living in, but it's generally accepted over mindless jabberwocky.

I feel like a broken record, but here I go:

a) When you are given something without deserving it (i.e. when you have not worked to earn it), you are being spoiled.

b) When you work and earn your own money, you are able to purchase things you want, therefore bettering yourself and the economy; this is called being deserving.

c) Draw your own conclusions.


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that is why we are considered so lazy ? and that is why our economy is plunging where as japans is skyrocketing? that is why everything says : made in china?



We're considered "lazy"? Where is this? If we're considered lazy it's because of stereotyping. America is near the top of the list when it comes to man-hours worked:

And where do you get that Japan's economy is skyrocketing and ours is "plunging" ? Last I check the American economy has been growing steadily, and Japan's has been doing around the same.


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Registered: September 14, 2004
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No, we're not spoiled. We just happen to work the hardest for what we want and need, and, in the end, we get it.


that is why we are considered so lazy ? and that is why our economy is plunging where as japans is skyrocketing? that is why everything says : made in china?

(just had to add to the argument of those bellow)
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Registered: September 14, 2004
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America is spoiled. How can you not be when you have access to anything you want from stores to jobs to having the ability of being able to speak your opinion.

Americans in effect take advantage of things and think nothing of it. They are fat but dont worry about it because it is considered a disability now and the government will take care of their terrible eating behavoirs. Americans have opinions without justification and usualy they only have them because they heard someone speaking about them and they dont bother to think of the possible damage it will do to themselves or others. If a grocery store is not near by and takes more than 10 minutes to drive to , it is most likely that theywill complain or just live with it because a few understand that they do not live in city.

Americans simply put are ungreatful spoiled idiots ( generalization so there will always be anexception). So spoiled that they JOKE about curruption in their government and EVERYONE knows about it but only a few actualy try to do something about it and are usualy looked down upon when they try.
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Registered: September 14, 2004
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No, we're not spoiled. We just happen to work the hardest for what we want and need, and, in the end, we get it.


Some people in third world countries work just as hard as we do to make a living, but don't get the priviledges that we do. I think we are spoiled, and if we were thrown into a situation like the people in Africa, we would crumble from malnutrition and poorness far sooner than the native people.

Celtic- Sorry. I was going to post this earlier and then took a break from the computer. Now I see that you've responded to the same thing.


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Registered: December 11, 2003
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No, we're not spoiled. We just happen to work the hardest for what we want and need, and, in the end, we get it.



Well, here in Moscow, my host fam has 0 insurance (and the ones they have suck), no welfare, no food stamps, nothing like that, and they work their ***** off in a country that has no guaranteed jobs.

When you've none of the things I mentioned above, yet you work hard for what you got, that doesnt make you a spoiled person.

Now in the U.S. you loose a job or something and its cool because you get stuff like welfare and medical insurance and whatever so its nothing to die about. In other words, you wont starve.


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Registered: August 17, 2001
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The issue is not whether the United States is spoiled or not, rather if Americans justly recognize how privileged they are to live in a free country.

Americans work hard; otherwise, our economy would cease to advance, as capitalism thrives off of competition. To make such a blunt evocation that they are - more so, we are - spoiled for putting forth effort and advancing ourselves is derisive. It is not the fault of my American neighbors that France is currently in an economic bouleversement, or that Cubans have no viable rights. America has its own interest in mind, as it should. We should not be scorned for having the freedoms that we do, or even made to feel culpable of the fact that other countries lack the essential necessities which make America a great country.

We Americans are utilizing what is made available to us in order to advance ourselves. We have a high standard of living because we've worked hard to improve life; we have advanced technology because we're dedicated to making the quality of life better.

America is far from spoiled.


"We know how cruel the truth often is, and we wonder whether delusion is not more consoling"
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