This topic is to cover all the discussion around N. Korea. I was suprised to see that there wasn't one beside the starving post which isn't very debatable.

What does everyone think about their pulling out of the NPT(Non-Proliferation Treaty). If the US did it would you think it a different situation? I think so. No one seems to care about it since it was only N. Korea. I don't know why. Maybe some one can help me out with it.


"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.

Oh, you're talking about Bush addressing the issue. Yeah, he's not talking about it. Probably mainly because he doesn't want to get off the Iraq issue just yet.

As for N.K.('s leaders) and Iraq('s leaders) being on the same side...doubtful, beyond their mutual dislike for the world. Notice how hermetic they both are. They're not very much alike if you compare and contrast the two.

And as for Nukes not being used for defense: You're familiar with the MAD concept, right? Deterrence is defense.

Sinope's right. If everybody's got a gun, but one person's trying to find armor, you've got an arms race on your hands.

international arms race part two m16......

things just got complicated.


and who benifits most from the anti ballistic missle defense anyhow, huh? us. right? not anyone else. so WE may feel "safe", you must understand OTHER COUNTRIES MAY SEE US AS EVEN MORE OF A LITERALL THREAT.

if they went international abm, it might be safe for US ALL (uhhum. assuming, no PRAYING it even works at all.....)

"i'm not against missle defense, but i could see it making a complicated situation."

Oh yeah, things will get more complicated...countries will build more nukes that will be useless against the US because we have a missle defense...it probably takes rocket scientists and 90 year old scholars to figure that out.

agree with rockr. and china stepped in no less; nuetrally hopefully.

but now that they've found those warheads in iraq, bush has definetly got his excuse for war.

maybe n.korea backed out of thier nuclear program ban because we lifted the abm treaty? (thinking to themselves, "as long as they can defend themselves, nothing is stopping them from attacking us!!") just goes to show you how untrusting we are of one another. and should be apparently. i'm not against missle defense, but i could see it making a complicated situation.

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I am just commenting on the fact that we are talking now about it to the N. Koreans and we seem to be more focused on Iraq right now. Any one think that maybe these two are in cahoots together?? I do.

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I think North Korea saw an opportunity to get some attention and to play high stakes with Bush.

However, now that Russia has put pressure on North Korea, the US can afford to put the problem on a back burner and forge ahead into the Iraq invasion. Very little still stands in the way of Bush's war.

It has been a long time since I am frequently posted. Now, I visit the page occasionally to read foolish babble when I need a laugh but alas, today seems to be my lucky day. Why? Well, I am glad you asked. For today when I a was visting this site I was touched by the glory of a greater mind by seeing that my good friend Bushsupporter is back on track.

There will be no war in North Korea. They will step down eventually.

As for us withdrawing from the ABM trety, as long as countries have projectile missles that can reach US land and investments we need a missle defense.

Bush has referred to them as that ONCE. I am just commenting on the fact that we are talking now about it to the N. Koreans and we seem to be more focused on Iraq right now. Any one think that maybe these two are in cahoots together?? I do.

Us pulling out of the UN's ABM treaty is a different situation. ABM's are used for defense- Nukes aren't. We shouldn't have signed it in the first place but I am glad that we are out of it now.

And how about S. Korea taking N. Korea's side in this whole debacle. I think that they forgot about what happened 50 years ago. They could all be starving to right now. What do you all think??


"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.

totally agree about the abm.


as long as there is one "fill in bomb here" ;
none of us are safe. sometimes it makes you wonder if we'll make it.

I'm not sure how "nobody cares." There've been several articles in Newsweek, reports on TV. Seems like a major issue to me. I think leaving the Non-Proliferation Treaty was dumb, but so was our pulling out of the ABM treaty.

Here's some of the stories:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/14/us.nkorea/index.html

Or if you prefer

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,75500,00.html

as long as there is a nuclear weapon SOMEWHERE on this planet; it is only a matter of time before...

only a matter of time.

No one seems to care about it? Oh man, I see it totally the opposite way. Bush is calling them an "axis of evil" and really really seems to want to invade once he's got his pet project in Iraq started.

On the other hand, the US has gotten away with some incredibly shady **** and not been called on it -- or at least not by anyone with power -- over and over and over again! Did you know that the World Court wasn't formed because Reagan's administration, knowing that the US could be criminally charged again and again with terrorist acts, refused to ratify it? Oh, man. Our government can, and has, gotten away with so much more than any other.


Love, Jenny