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Picture of phantom119
Registered: October 19, 2005
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If the Iranians took the deal, what's not to say that the Russians will give it back to them? Or make weapon grade for a few extra bucks? I'm also very prejudice against the Russians. I mean....their leader is former KGB. Who was the enemy of the Soviet Union? The United States so of course he's going to aim his goals at something probably anti-western. It's how he was raised.


"The price of Freedom is paid in lives" - Adm. Geoffrey Tolwyn
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Registered: March 06, 2006
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riskbreaker86=iran will never agree to enriching on Foreign soil.They will only accept enrichment in their own country!The whole sham, is just to slow down/prevent an allied strike!(maskiruvka-russian) Wink
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Registered: April 24, 2005
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The USA and Britain must act NOW before it's too late.


i notice your from the UK, but why do you think we should be involved? any action taken against iran should come in the form of diplomacy especially from intermeditary actors such as Turkey and Russia. Infact i believe the russians have offered the best solutions so far but nobody trusts them due to decade old prejudices and....well its russia. But allowing iran to enrich uranium for power on russian soil would be a good check against them developing nuclear ready uranium.


'it's better to have your ministers inside the tent pissing out than outside, pissing in'
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Registered: March 06, 2006
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That is precisely why! WinkAnd for the Israel par-they will protect it's people and will remain defiant to the end-therefore no destruction possible Smile
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Registered: October 19, 2005
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you sure about that? Iran's leader believes that the twelfth (sp?) iman will come after a period of great chaos. And you know how he intends to do it? the destruction of Israel. This isn't just a political thing to him. It's a religious.


"The price of Freedom is paid in lives" - Adm. Geoffrey Tolwyn
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Registered: March 06, 2006
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Iran's leader may be bold, but he will never be allowed to follow through with his beliefs! Wink
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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hell it's been ticking since the coldwar for an idea check out The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists and their famous doomsday clock they tend to have a good read on world events


"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: March 10, 2006
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Just to point out, Iran's president has also stated that the world should be under Islamic rule, and that we wants to destroy all Jews.

He's like Hitler - a bold statement, agreed. The last time someone of this nature gained a large level of support, resulted in 6Million+ Jews dead.

The USA and Britain must act NOW before it's too late.

The nuclear timebomb appears to be ticking people.
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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the nice thing from the US side is that we have an insane amount of ordance we can send by airmail to the iranians with out having to go nuclear on their tails we can bomb'em back to the stoneage with out opening the silos up.

The terroist potential of iran is shown in just about every fantic muslim terror attack when it comes to global terror iran has it's hands in every extremist muslim pie


"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: March 06, 2006
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WinkI'd agree with you on that. Unfortunately a small tactical yield, would not be classed as a nuclear weapon.It could also be cleverly staged as an iranian accident..... Eek.But if the US was to go ahead with that contingency, then Iran would have no means of retaliation at their disposal, unless they would be prepared to show their terrorist potential and capability, which im sure thyed like to keep covert for now Smile
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Registered: April 24, 2005
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if america dropped a nuclear weapon on iran id quite happily watch them retaliate by any means that they can.


'it's better to have your ministers inside the tent pissing out than outside, pissing in'
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And another point to consider is that conventional missiles, even the bunker busters, may not be able to penetrate to that depth(lets not forget reinforced ceilings etc)
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Registered: March 06, 2006
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Well...could be atesting ground for USA's improved weaponry?I was trying to think like an American.....It would at least put fear into the Iranian's, as other conventional methods might not. Smile
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Registered: April 24, 2005
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why would you need to nuke irans nuclear infastructure? thats the most ridiculous thing ive heard in a long time.


'it's better to have your ministers inside the tent pissing out than outside, pissing in'
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Registered: March 06, 2006
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Unless other affirmative action can be decided upon, this seems to be the fastest and most efficent option...
A couple of well placed 'tactical Nukes' with a very low yield devices, targeted at the facilities and Iran's Nuclear infractructure support should do the job!
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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well the Russkies will use them if they end up in a war with China and the if the NK's attack South Korea they'll probally nuke'em so it's not just the US and bet your tails if Iran get's the bomb a terroist will have his hands on one and the US will have a mushroom cloud over it(or some other nation)


"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: January 15, 2006
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Originally posted by ampmaster:
Dude if Israel attacks any land that belong to Muslims and to get to Iran they'll be attacking quite a lot every nation with a muslim leader will band together to whipe thwm off the face of the planet and we won't be able to help because the isrealis started it.

I really wish that was true but I doubt that even a blatant attack would get Arab leaders to unite. It would be cool if all of the Arab nations had each other's back but that obviously not the case.
I don't think any country should be allowed nuclear weapons because the only thing nuclear weapons could be used for IS the genocide of a people. I mean the US has nuclear weapons and it's the country that's most likely to ever use them because no one would dare try and stop them - I think the world should be a little bit more considered about what people like Bush can do with that power. Of course most of you are probably American so I can see why you don't care.


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Registered: March 06, 2006
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Continued diplomatic efforts should be applied. If that fails economic sanctions should be enforced. In case of Iran still pursuing it's uranium programs-an international strike force should destroy the facilities on Irans soil. An alternative is to give Israel a free hand, while keeping it on a short leash. That way other Islamic nations would not intervene, as Israel would be backed by NATO. Prefferably a US air strike would be ideal!In and out, with limited casualties. A country such as Iran should never be allowed to have, or pursue the production of nuclear weapons. If Iran retaliates, which is unlikely a peacekeeping force should be sent in, unless the US chooses to cripple Irans economy and social stability. The way events are unfolding, conflict is imminent.The only question that remains is time!
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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Dude if Israel attacks any land that belong to Muslims and to get to Iran they'll be attacking quite a lot every nation with a muslim leader will band together to whipe thwm off the face of the planet and we won't be able to help because the isrealis started it.


"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: January 20, 2006
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I don't know why you're throwing in stuff about the Gaza Strip, because we're not talking about the Israeli/Egyptian/Palestinian conflicts. We're talking about what to do with Iran.

And I never said that Israel should occupy Iran. They'll go in, destroy the nuclear reactors, and get out. Israel has no desire to occupy Iran because Israel does not feel that they are the world's policemen. But, they do feel threatened by the prospect of Iran getting nuclear weapons because the President has directly stated that he wants to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. I think they would be completely justified to destroy Iran's nuclear reactors for this reason.
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