Conservative: Why must Adam and Eve and the concept of Sin be an intregal part of the case for the existance of a Divine Entity. Therefor no proof must be provided.

However, the creation of our universe is an intregal part of our various theories in the feild of phyisics. Therefore a hypothesis should be provided as to the creation of matter, etc.

We have to concept of an all powerful God. We hae what we have learned from sceince. Why not accept that the two could be combined and explain eachother. This is why atheism is flawed. You say that there is definetly no God, while the odds that there is a God are unknown.
In fact, God is a plausible explination. Untill we find hard evidence to whow otherwise, I'd say you should accept that there just might be a God. Agnostics I have no problem with, Atheists beleive in flawed logic. I'm not going to exclude and persecute them, but I believe that they are very wrong.

myself, i beleive in god. but have no problem with atheism. They beleive that there is no god. so wut? wut if there right? im not saying they are, im just saying no1 has any proof watsoever so it shouldnt matter untill they have any proof, which i doubt will ever happen besides the torah or the bible. And even then u can think watever you want to think no1 should stop u from doing so! you can beleive anything you want as long as you yourself are not just following wut your parents or others think. i think its wonderful if u dont beleive in god. and if u do, that thats wonderful 2.

p.s. my good frend is atheist and she is just like any1 else, she just beleives diffrently then most people, so dont judge any1 by there religion, no matter wut religion they r.

If there needs to be truth for energy and space and what not, show methe proof that adam was the frst man and eve was made from his rib, come on now. At least in science there has been credible facts and discoveries in areas such as creationism, while the religious facts come from a book written by man himself. So, if the majority of us are blinded then why believe in a god at all? If you are in fact a blind one why believe at all? Why in christianity can you sin basically all you want, say a prayer and get into heaven? Many serial killers "find" god while on death row, so if god loves them are they going to heaven? If so I certainly do not want to join them. I think that if you do believe in a god and it helps you then keep it up. I do not need a god to help me through life so I choose not to have one.

Well, Proudconservative, you are right. The Matrix is just a movie. However, the theme behind the Matrix is over 3,000 years old. Think about that for a bit. Plato (Greek Philosopher) wrote an essay on the very same subject. He called it "The Cave Analogy." The point I was trying to make still stands. Does the fact that a group is in the minority automatically make them wrong? I certainy don't think so.

Also, the whole thing about which relgion is right, if God does in fact exist, brings up a good point. The major world religions are not similar at all, I hope we can all agree on that. Some worship lots of Gods, some only one God, to others, Everything IS God. Buddhism says that "All life is suffering." Judiasm "Love the Lord your God." Christianity, "Jesus loves you." Something I would like to point out is the fact that Christianity sets itself apart from the others in a couple aspects. First off, Christianity is the only recognized religion that say that you go to heaven, not because of what you did, but because God loves you. (Not to suggest that everyone goes to heaven, but that God's love and grace are the only things that lets a Christian into heaven.) There's nothing you can do. Also, Christianity is the only religion that offers a RELATIONSHIP with the creator. Religions give you a set of rules to follow. Relationships involve interacting with someone, learning from them, loving them and being loved by them. Just something to think about.

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watchman- Yes, very much so

Proudconservative- While The Matrix, is a movie, it does present a valid philosophical question. Watchman was using it as a tangible example of a situation that might exist. That being that the majority of us are blinded by overrationalization, propaganda, or ignorance, and a few have broken away from the farce and are the ones who "really know". Now I won't say which one is right, I am just saying it is a valid point.

About not being able to see/have proof of. Being Athiestic means that you completely dicount the existance of a God. However, there are many, many inconsitancies in science, mysteries that are yet unsolved and probably never will be. To say that there is definetly no God is not prudent or intelligent.
For example, tell me how matter, energy, and the fabric of space came to being.

Not saying that the ONLY answer is a God. But tell me your solution.

That is a movie though, religion is different. Why should only one religion be right? Or no religions at all, everyone is so blinded by their churches that they think that their god is the only god and they are right. Well, obviously not everyone can be right, so who chooses who is right?

Liberalchick, here's something you might want to check out. It's a website that talks about the intellegent design argument for the existance of God. You might find it interesting. Go ahead and check it out. You to, Proudconservative. http://www.saintsalive.com/general/meetcamel.htm

As for the whole thing about "how can a minority tell people what is right and what is wrong?" Let's look at the movie, The Matrix. In that movie, a small group of people (The minority) were telling people everything they believe is a lie, and that there's a different world than what they see. Even though they're the minority, does that make them wrong when it comes to the real world? Or, are they all deluded and hallucinating because the "majority" disagrees with them and obviously knows better.

DrStrangelove- You enjoy these controversial posts, don't you?

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I do not believe in any god because I have never seen one, talked to one or heard of anyone doing these things. Also all that comes of religion is war and arguments. "God" was first created to explain the things which people did not understand, such as the greek sun god, fire god and what not. They did not know how these things occured so they created a god for it. All religions tell the rest of the world they are wrong if they do not believe what they believe, how can this be? If this were the case no matter who was right then the rest of the world would go to hell. How can a minority tell everyone else that their ideas are wrong and are going to die. This is why I am an Atheist but if you believe in god then I hope hes good to you.

Thank you for asking. I'm athiest because I feel that believing in god is just as based in truth as believing in Santa Claus, just WAY more popular. I really don't see why people with no proof of any of this just throw themselves into religion, I think it's a little pitiful. I think that the Earth is an amazing thing, and no, I don't have the answers. I never will, but what I do know is that I appreciate my life too much to waste it on religion.

P.S. I am really sorry if I offended anyone.