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". I believe in doing good things because they are good- not for some sexist 'all knowing' spiritual being

Exactly as I feel. And people wonder how someone could be good without 'god,' more like how can you be good (and i mean truly) with him?

Atheism is flawed, as are all beliefs of the an after-life.

It is impossible to know what will happen so it is a bit ridiculous to assume the possibilites.

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I hope all the atheists and agnostics out there will meet someone or come across a situation that helps them realize the truth: God is awesome!

I have met many people, have gone to their churches voluntarily*, and yet God is not "awesome". If anything he (she, they?) is a most jealous and horrible god. Even then being good for fear of an ultimatum is quite stupid really- you follow him or go to "Hell". I believe in doing good things because they are good- not for some sexist 'all knowing' spiritual being.Most Christians, Catholics, Protestants, what have you are driven by that force.

God likes to play mind games on us as he is very unjust who gets to go to heaven. The Dali Llama for instance, will he go to hell simply because he was not of the spiritual beings faith. Would God still be the same if he was an actual man- I would think not. Yes there are good people in each religion, yet very few of them have followed a religion because they agreed with the morals that it offered. What irks me the most however is that I know many Catholics and Christians that bully others, condemn homosexuals, form their own stupid little cliques and refuse to hear logic and are more ignorant because of religion.

Religion is highly flawed yet so is atheism. If God really thinks this world is black and white, during Judgment day he is going to have a nasty shock that this world has differing shades of gray.

* Church of Latter day Saints, Protestant, Christian, Catholic, and Jewish.

How is anything that you quoted from me putting you down? I do not believe in God and if he is real he is an asshole, so how does that put you down as a person? Yes it certainly puts down God, but you are not him.

Persecution- oh yeah, me saying God isn't real is really going after you Christians. You people have had it so tough. No one has been persecuted more than Christians (I am being quite sarcastic). Throughout history no one has killed more than those in the name of God. How benevolent, how merciful.

People become things because of how other's influence them, rather than actually thinking about it and then deciding on their own. He may not have forced her to 'change her heart' but she only did so because she cares about him. Girls do dumb things to get guys to stay with them. As do men.

I have read the Bible without judgement (while I was still christian) and even then I was like 'wtf, why does God say this and then this? Why is he contradicting himself hundreds of times?' It's because the Bible is the word of man, not god.

Yes, you have been a Christian since birth, meaning it has been ingrained into you by your family and the society you live in.

If God loves everyone there will be no judgement day.

If something does not make any sense at all does that mean you should continue following it and believing it?

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It is illogical, impossible and irrational for there to be some sort of omnipotent being that controls everything. It's just not true and that's that.

God is a liar (if he was real). In the bible he has people sacrificed, then he turns around and says that it is immoral. The bible is full of thousands of contradictions, if God is perfect why is he such a hypocrite?

Why do you think God is good? Because he 'created' us? Wow, just because someone creates something does not mean that they are 'good.'

Well, you certainly have some strong opinions there. I'm not here to judge or to make you believe in what we believe, but why do you people insist on putting us down for what we believe?? Persecuting us because we believe that there is some higher being out there that loves us and, yes, punishes us (because he loves us - consider parents).

And so what if someone is a Christian because of her boyfriend? He didn't force her to change her heart, it was her own choice. God just used him to open up her heart.

As for God being a liar and a hypocrite, he has reasons for why he does the things he does. If you actually read the bible (without judgment), you would see that everything he says and does is for a purpose.

I've been a Christian since birth, and there was a time when I doubted everything myself and still do sometimes. When it comes down to it, I know where I stand and where I'll be come Judgment Day. I hope all the atheists and agnostics out there will meet someone or come across a situation that helps them realize the truth: God is awesome!

See, here's why I am not you, I know that God is not real. I never 'begged' him to do anything, because at a young age I realized it was a load of bull.

It is illogical, impossible and irrational for there to be some sort of omnipotent being that controls everything. It's just not true and that's that.

You are only christian because of your boyfriend. You did not seek God out on your own.

God is a liar (if he was real). In the bible he has people sacrificed, then he turns around and says that it is immoral. The bible is full of thousands of contradictions, if God is perfect why is he such a hypocrite?

Why do you think God is good? Because he 'created' us? Wow, just because someone creates something does not mean that they are 'good.'

I do not need to believe in any form of god in order to be happy.

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I don't love god. so you're statement of 'everyone loves god' is crap. If God is real I think he is the most evil being ever because of what he does to people on earth and after they die.

Ha. Wow. It's like I hear the old me talking through you.

Why, Wolfie, do you think God is evil?

I thought so because no matter how much I begged for him to be in my life, I felt nothing.
I thought so because if he did exist and was all powerful, he did not love us. How would he have let the world be such a horrible place?
I thought so because I thought God was a liar. He said in the bible he loves us. I thought that if he really loved us he would have never created us.
I thought so because I thought God was apathetic.

I still don't understand why He does what He does. But Faith got it's grip on me.
I'll pray for you all. Even if you may not want me to. I owe it to you and God and my friend.

actions happen all the time without someone thinking of it. what do you think chaos is? do you believe the wind thinks? do you believe the waves think 'let's move'.

I don't love god. so you're statement of 'everyone loves god' is crap. If God is real I think he is the most evil being ever because of what he does to people on earth and after they die.

after the whole pattern out speech thing, i'm lost because you clearly are illiterate to some degree. seriously does this make any sense at all

'we agree on truth and logic is what fits and beleifs are what defines and imagination is what creates. god is all i am god up yours if ya cant get with that as the only reason most wont is cause they will have to except they were being a wanker or idiot and who excepts that ?'

how is life being killed by not believing in god? if anything, the opposite is true. how many have died in the name of a faceless, fake being?

i don't understand if you. sorry.

everyone loves god you cant deny that lol you may say its not real he's not real all that but you will never say i am not real will you ? you know you are and how real is this exactly ? im sure you know not one thing known or created was done without thinking of it first. not one action can be without the thought of it. in knowing that im sure its no mystery to as to how the shape for your tv was made and how the tv itself was to and your houses your pens your anything. we create it all in mind then put it into action. and so with the shape of planets and atoms and molecules and the variety and forms and structures of all things the components and such. are you telling me you think you did this as in did you give shape to shape or form to form or colour to colour did you pattern out speech ? or numbers or anything that we all base our whole perceptions and thoughts off ? no you didnt someone else patterned the thoughts and created the numbers and words from those thoughts and they created language and such but do not forget ever that it all came from inside as in thought up. we agree on truth and logic is what fits and beleifs are what defines and imagination is what creates. god is all i am god up yours if ya cant get with that as the only reason most wont is cause they will have to except they were being a wanker or idiot and who excepts that ? i listened and i learned and i have a choice on weather to do the things societys say are normal and participating as a buisness man lieing cheating stealing of myself it seems why would i do that ? why would you do that ? ill tell you why because someone else has dictatored your thoughts and feelings on subjects and lead you to beleive that they are right and needed so much you must enslave yourselves for them. but its not so no religion is right only self if you wish to agree then do so if you wish to be a killer then do so if you wish to be as evil as you can think then do so but know that it is not god doing so as i am god to and that is not what i do. but the all the creator of this experience is feeling and knowing everything it does and you reflect its actions however you wish with the freedom of being in its image. thats why we have war cause some are mean and some arnt simple. some are mean cause they are confused and lost as in the end some ends up one and one is of love not fear and hate. if it hated itself why would it be so alive. we are killing life by following others ideas of god and how to live in it. stories are stories they all come from imagination events are events and if happened then observed but we cannot live in the past only correct it so stand up and do so by opposing your rulers and teachers of religions and laws question them and stand together against the ones that point the gun at you or lock you away.

i'm not atheist nor am i religious.

i'm one that would rather not follow either side as i have seen the darkness on both. as the religious have not seen the flaws in there own beliefs. it's the same with atheists.

you can't prove that jesus was actually dead or if he was a sage healing himself (and for those of you that don't know a sage is a human with magical powers like a mage, but sages are humans that have mastered all the elements). but a majority of the atheists actually follow the theory of evolution. and as stated before (but i'm saying it in a different way) it has a missing link the theory can't be proven without it that's why it's a theory not a fact and as i said it's been stated before, but this is a just put in a different way.

i've been on both sides before so i would understand each side. unlike 3/4 of the people on each side which refuse to let others think what they want.

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i think that jesus christ was a great man, yes, MAN.

you've met the guy?

Religion is not just a deal about proof...its about faith. I mean yea, there may not be a heaven or hell (which is why I like Judaism...no promises about the end), but all you can do is to just have trust. I mean, God has never answered my prayers directly, but I'm sure he works in ways that I can't understand, and I probably don't even know its his work in the first place. Its all about faith, not proof.

I know a lot of people don't believe in God. My best friend doesn't believe in God, so I know all about it. But to me, even though I don't have proof, I still believe there is a God. I don't know how to prove it, except with the Bible, because science tries at every opportunity to disprove that there is a God.And also, since some people believe that God is hateful, he is that, but he is also a loving and kind God. I'm not one of those people who thinks God is all love and goodness, but he's also the person who I trust the most. Sorry if I drone on and on, but this is how I feel.

There is nothing that makes me believe there is a God.

Atheism, Why? Atheism, Because.

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How does Atheism categorize as International Relation more so than Religion?

It doesn't, but as long as the thread is still here I figure there's nothing wrong with adding my opinion.

im atheist. i think that jesus christ was a great man, yes, MAN. i dont see why he must be holy, what he said and taught would have no less meaning and worth if they came from a man rather than the son of god. and it bothers me that people cant follow what he said unless hes almighty. why should my ideas be worth any less than his? anyways, religion has been far too manipulated and distorted for me to consider attempting (or wanting) to understand it.

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Because it makes sense to me.

How does Atheism categorize as International Relation more so than Religion?

Because it makes sense to me.

I tried moving it, but it won't let me in to the appropriate function. I can forward it on to Lisa.

Has someone asked why this is in international relation?