everything had to be perfect for creation to begin. That is baloney. Especially considering that many scientific experiments went wrong but led to important discoveries...like discovery of DNA. So way back when the evolutionary process began on earth, things did not have to be perfect (as if a God put things together to happen). I'm sure there was lightning around at the time and accidentally hit some rocks with bits of protein goo on top of them. All I know is that we don't know, everything is a big guess on both sides, but at least science is trying to find out, whereas religion tries to tell you what happened and claim truth. hmmmmmm, how many times did these 'truths' in Bible for instance turn out to be false. Also, whenever science finally discovers something new, your hypocritical religious leaders change the interpretations and say, "oh, that's actually what the bible had been saying all along." Ok, whatever.
Albert Einstein, German born American threoretical physicist (1879-1955).
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." [From a letter Einstein wrote in English, dated 24 March 1954. It is included in Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, published by Princeton University Press.]
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
I've actually heard rather contridicting evidence on whether Einstein was atheist (this after doing some research). One site I've seen before says Einstein was disbelieving in a "personal god", I've seen him listed as atheist, free thinker, etc. Point is, I've just become rather confused!
"as for jookly, science and religon do not necessarily contradict themselves. we can learn lots about the world, even to the most basic element of all life.....yet we still know nothing."
actually i don't think that Einstein was an athiest. he's been quoted, "God does not play dice".
as for jookly, science and religon do not necessarily contradict themselves. we can learn lots about the world, even to the most basic element of all life.....yet we still know nothing.
Quote: uh, rockrgirl, hate to burst your bubble, but as Einstein was atheist, I'm sure he would have said, at some point in time, that he didn't believe in the existance of (a) god.
great. Then I bet wonderousbob didn't believe it. But that was just an example.
As for the existance of time, it's really quite abstract. If I say "now" that "now" has already occurred and is uh, now in the past. As TrickyWidget said, it's philosophical, not scientific.
Ok ... I never said anything about that.
Believing something just because another says it isn't exactly stupid. It may be a bit illogical, yes, I'll give you that.
uh, rockrgirl, hate to burst your bubble, but as Einstein was atheist, I'm sure he would have said, at some point in time, that he didn't believe in the existance of (a) god.
As for the existance of time, it's really quite abstract. If I say "now" that "now" has already occurred and is uh, now in the past. As TrickyWidget said, it's philosophical, not scientific.
Believing something just because another says it isn't exactly stupid. It may be a bit illogical, yes, I'll give you that. However, you cannot really mix science with religion, or religion with logic. It just causes too much conflict.
I come from a jewish family but have slid very far away from any religious beliefs. It doesnt make much sense to me. Religion is a good way for people who need an explination for everything to get what they want. Unfortunatley our science hasnt prgressed far enough to explain the things religion does. I expect that once science catches up to religion you will see it a whole lot less.
Quote: Are you comparing Hitlar to Einstein? You fool! That is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard.
The POINT was not to compare Hitler to Einstein. The names meant nothing. The point was to show that believing something someone says "just because they believe it" is stupid. If Einstein had also said that God didn;t exist, would you believe it? No, I don't think so, you're too attached to your Bible
I see no need to compare Einstein to Hitler. Bob was simply saying that even Einstein, who is widely considered to be a genius for his scientific work, believed in the existence of time.
About the matrix...some people really believe that, even before the movie came out. Some might have adopted this belief only after seeing the Hollywood movie, but there are also those who believed long before.
quote: are there really people who believe they will sit forever in heaven with the lord
Most definitely. I am one.
darkfox: I am confused about your stance. You said that the "Lord was established"...but provided information supporting the idea that God established everything, not the other way around. Maybe I misread, but could you please clear this up for me?
Let's see where to start. First off, man has never had the ability to believe in his own power. He had to rely on a belief that some greater power and organization was at work. The first ideas of chaos were simply mind-blowing and had no absolute ends. For this reason, it is possible to believe that men needed an absolute power. So, they came up with an omniscient, omnipotent manifest to control everything. For any person, it is hard to believe that something is not in control of your life. For this reason alone, the Lord was established. However, now we can throw science into the gears. Science states that something close to trillions of years ago, a cataclysmic event occured, known as the Big Bang. There are many questions as to what brought about this event. There is no true answer. There are no fossilized remains or tree rings to establish for us, whether or not it had happened before. The huge significance of the event is that it could not have been possible without huge masses of energy and huge masses of material. So, where did it all come from? The answer: Quite possibly, God. If he indeed exists, is it not beyond His power to create matter? Or energy? Finally, what about evolution? Scientist have already rubbed in that the circumstances that created life on Earth are, oh say, one in a hundred trillion. Now think about the impossibilities. There are thousands of things that could have gone wrong in the process. It had to be influenced perfectly in order for correct events to occur. Everything noted about nature signifies it as chaotic, even disorderly. However, everything about God is perfectly timed, organized, and made. So, what else but divine intervention to help the process along? Mark
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