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Registered: March 09, 2004
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If you have read the communist manifesto + the bible the similarities are almost exact.
I see marx as the yin and jesus as the yang.
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Registered: July 29, 2004
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sorry to burst the bubble for all you shocked conservatives who aren't given to realistic analysis of Jesus's life, but he was pretty freaking radical. Turn the other cheek is a brave way to face down an aggressor with nonviolence, but it also has period connotation. If someone slaps you (it helps to pantomime this) it was a grave insult, since only lesser creatures, like women and donkeys (=D) were slapped, and usually with the "dirty" left hand to add humiliation. To turn the other cheek means that the only way that the person who has just slapped you could now hit you with his left hand is to actually punch you - this shows that he now acknowledges you as an equal and it's a catch-22 for the aggressor. Now take the "go the extra mile" thing with being forced to carry a man's pack. This comes from the fact that Roman soldiers (Rome ruling the Middle East in these days) were allowed to make any local citizen carry his pack for one mile. BUT the soldier would be punished if he made the unwilling packmule go more than a mile. So by carrying a man's pack for two miles instead of stopping at a mile, you've now gotten him in trouble if anyone asks or finds out how far you've gone. There's a lot of other examples of Jesus as a subversive leader: he was under-rader counterculture in his days, so the equivalent that we would make of him today - were he not the Messiah - would be a radial, traveling hippie leader preaching power to the people and ways to fight unfair authority. Hate to break it to you, but Jesus was an original purveyor of "Damn the Man" mentality.
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Registered: March 09, 2004
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My mom is christian, my dad is nothing, at one point I wanted to cross over to the religious side, but I saw the truth, and stayed with what I am now. They would have supported me if i would have become religious. They didnt baptize me because they wanted me to choose what I want to be, my mom brought us to church and what not. So I got to see both sides of the light.
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Registered: November 06, 2003
Posts: 219
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I love how suddenly people who agree with their parents have no free will. Are your parents atheist or whatever you are, bauhaus? Well, following your logic, if your children believed that there was no God and that religion is a bad thing, then they wouldn't have any free will because that's what you believe, and they just got it from their parent/s.
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Registered: March 09, 2004
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the bible runs in her family thats why she believes in it.
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Registered: November 06, 2003
Posts: 219
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quote: You might have free will, but you still follow the bibles words. doesnt sound so "free" to me.
That statement is asinine and illogical for the following reasons: She accepted the Bible of her own free will. She is a Christian of her own free will. The argument that when you "follow" something you lose your free will is wrong. You follow your moral convictions. Does that mean you are a slave to them and do not have free will? Because her moral convictions are more organized, written down, and followed by others does not make them any more enslaving than yours. She chooses to follow the Bible. Obviously. No one is threatening to kill her if she doesn't go to church. Even then she has free will because she is choosing to listen or disobey that person. The reasons kind of overlap, but, in conclusion, your concept of free will is full of holes and completely illogical.
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Registered: November 06, 2003
Posts: 219
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Alright, Kidd, I know this post was from a while ago but I haven't been on for a while. You're right, I was arguing against Soviet Communism, but that doesn't mean Christ was for "true" Communism. quote: Communism was thought up as a perfect society- no possessions, everything is owned by the community, and everyone is equal.
Christianity does not believe in a perfect society on Earth. Kind of a huge aspect, almost main point, of Christianity...humanity is imperfect. That's why Christ died for man's sins - we weren't gonna get to heaven by ourselves. The perfect society only exists through eternal salvation...AFTER death, in heaven. You could say Christ believes in a communist society in heaven, but that's stretching the "Jesus is a communist" theory a lot, and it's also wrong. Where as Judaism and Islam, along with numerous other religions, believe that a perfect state is attainable on Earth, Christianity preaches seperation of church and state (please think about what I'm saying before you start citing Alabama and the Ten Commandments, etc. That wasn't trying to establish a theocracy, Christians generally without exception do not want a Christian theocracy). With Judaism, the eventual goal is a perfect Jewish state - God's chosen people living together, God's chosen country more or less. Islam's goal is Islamic domination of the world. Christianity's goal lies in the individual - the goal is eternal salvation. It doesn't matter where Christians live, what society they live in, eternal salvation is the only thing that matters. And where in the Gospels did Jesus say that Christians should have no possessions, and that the community should own everything? Where in the entire Bible does it say that? Christ never said anything about equality in society, only about equality in God's eyes. A society in which everyone is equal has nothing to do with Jesus or Christianity.
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Registered: March 09, 2004
Posts: 2913
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No communism wouldn't exist for another 1,850 years
wow captin obvious.
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Registered: March 21, 2004
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No communism wouldn't exist for another 1,850 years
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Registered: November 30, 2003
Posts: 972
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Communism is a fair theory that will never happen in our world of inequality. People are greedier than others, and want to take their share. So Socalism is the closest you can get. Dictators don't run communist societies. The people do. Dictators run societies claiming to be communist.
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Registered: March 09, 2004
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You might have free will, but you still follow the bibles words. doesnt sound so "free" to me.
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Registered: April 09, 2003
Posts: 339
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Look,it's a free world outside the communist orbit..Christ gives us a free will to follow him. A communist government never does.
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Registered: June 14, 2004
Posts: 13
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oh, so they are similar if you interchange the words. did you know that if you replace the word bugs with jews that starship troopers is like mien kampf.
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Registered: March 09, 2004
Posts: 2913
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replace god with dictator. Do I need to draw cartoons or something for you people?
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Registered: June 14, 2004
Posts: 13
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they are very similar except for the parts where the bible talks about god... oh, wait. That's the whole thing!
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Registered: March 09, 2004
Posts: 2913
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going to africa and converting the tribes to become christian, thats changing culture.
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Registered: June 04, 2004
Posts: 3535
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how is this a contradiction? he gave free will and yet we choose to follow the Bible?
it means although he gave us free will, we choose to follow Him and want to be part of His promise. also explain how we take away culture.
For all you coalition haters out there, I am not imposing my views on anyone. I am just sharing my views like the rest of you and am trying to help people see my point.
This post has proudly been deemed racism free by the Honorable Coalition of Bushsupporter, Marine 16, notsojoey, FreeMarketLover, Redrepublican, and Andrewcon and their endless pursuit to cast out the bigotry that has infiltrated youthNOISE.
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Registered: December 11, 2003
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quote: the reason i hate jesus lovers is because they take culture away.
bauhaus you scare me. you think too much like me. buy yes, jesus lovers tend to see things in ONE way only, and that sucks. for them it's all one-dimensional, when in truth this worl is in 3D
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Registered: March 09, 2004
Posts: 2913
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your whole god gave you free will yet you do what the bible says is a blantant contridiction. WHICH ONE IS IT?! you cant have both.
the reason i hate jesus lovers is because they take culture away.
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Registered: May 01, 2004
Posts: 14
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OK, God gave us free will. That is something you would have read in the Bible considering that you have really read it. Also, God does not make us do things, because like the Bible says... we have free will. True, God wants to be in control of our lives because he knows what is best for us. That is why Christians willingly hand over their lives. If you don't want God to have control of your life, don't let him have it. The choice is yours. Also, who made you the one to show people the different "light" on this subject?? I think the Christians here know a little more about our religion than you do. I believe your profile says you hate "Jesus lovers". There is a difference in having a reasonable opinion than just trying to disgrace God and Christians. If you expect people to respect you and your beliefs, why don't you do the same for others??
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