http://www.petitiononline.com/noempire/

This is a petition that I have created against a future war in Iran, as one looms closer and closer. Please sign if you are an American student, or if you support our cause.

Those who sign and live in America agree that if America does take military action in Iran, that they will protest by abstaining from saying the Pledge of Allegeiance.

This is not only a petition against the war in Iran, but against the greater threat of an American military Empire.

Please share this with those that you know, and remember, you can sign even if you are not an American student.

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http://www.petitiononline.com/noempire/

What a stupid petition.

I will not sign!
This is a pointless petition.

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No youre not close. I don't do it to piss anybody off, and the occasions it does piss someone off, it's incredibly annoying. I'm not going to say it just to get along with anybody, either. And I don't stand out for it; half my school doesn't participate.

Is that okay with you?

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Fyi, I don't intend for people to care, I abstain for personal reasons. I'm not actually protesting anything in particular.

So basically you are abstaining just to be a little #$#$#$ and trying to stand out and rebel against authority for no good reason, except for the fact it makes you feel good? Am I close?

America would be mad to attack Iran. Why the heck would it do that? Poor Iran.

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so? again that does nothing because no one gives a crap wether you say the pledge or not.

Fyi, I don't intend for people to care, I abstain for personal reasons. I'm not actually protesting anything in particular.

And actually, people do care: I've been yelled at by teachers and my parents for "disrespecting" the country.

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I already abstain from saying the pledge.

so? again that does nothing because no one gives a crap wether you say the pledge or not. So not only is it a pointless threat, it's an empty follow through as well.

You want results do something like writing your congress critter, YN has some tools to do just that as I recall

I like the petition idea, but I already abstain from saying the pledge. It's kind of an empty threat, in my case, to threaten to continue to not say the pledge. Is there some other way to protest?

Guys, let's try to stay on topic instead of focusing on personal attacks.

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And that comes from a delusional 17 year old that thinks wearing camo gear and posing with a replica M16 assault rifle is cool.

Ooooh someone is insulting me for having a hobby that I actually enjoy? oooh big diss there from a guy who needs to come online and insult people to think he's tough

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aye to much coffee and meth will have results like speeds

And that comes from a delusional 17 year old that thinks wearing camo gear and posing with a replica M16 assault rifle is cool.

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Breathe man, and have some orange juice to calm down!

You're right shade, sorry about that outburst everyone. Some people just get on my nerves.

I'm discontinuing this e-fight.

aye to much coffee and meth will have results like speeds

Speed, I think you're too uptight. Breathe man, and have some orange juice to calm down!

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speed if you had a brain in your skull you would notice the sarcasm dripping off of my posts in this thread if it was any thicker it would be gumming up your key board

I wouldn't put anything you said past you from other posts of yours I've read, less radical now maybe?

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I hope that was a joke.

speed if you had a brain in your skull you would notice the sarcasm dripping off of my posts in this thread if it was any thicker it would be gumming up your key board

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and I've advocated taking those snail swallowing assholes out for years

I'd smack you for this if I could. Without French help you would still be buying your guns with british pounds you idiot. In fact, if we where to attack france the whole of europe would defend france, and shut down it's trade with us, which I assume you know, would kill our economy. And regardless of how great you think our army is, we would get our asses kicked by a combination of european nations defending true freedom, not our manufactured fake capitalist democracy.
I hope that was a joke.

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if you replace "American Elite" with "English Monarchy", Democracy with "the Monarchy" this statement results in a fascinating conclusion about england back in the day (not trying to start a fight her just pointing it out)

Exactly, back in the day. England abandoned it's empirialistic ambitions as soon as they realized they where unsustainable, on the other hand, the current US leadership has known for years now that their imperial ambitions are unsustainable, due to economic reasons mostly, and have not made any attempt to correct their policy.

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Very true I personally think that the US should go back to total politcal isolationism

That doesn't quite fit with your willingness to go to war with half the planet.

Your words characterize you as a child that has no idea of what he's talking about. Good job making yourself look stupid.

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The French would surely qualify if we did.

and I've advocated taking those snail swallowing assholes out for years

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so often lies a reality whereby the current batch of the American elite have decided the national interest lies in wars which are all about supporting democracy and therefore promoting capitalism by which the US can then expand its economic domination over the world.

if you replace "American Elite" with "English Monarchy", Democracy with "the Monarchy" this statement results in a fascinating conclusion about england back in the day (not trying to start a fight her just pointing it out

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I also believe that the pledge is unnessecary in the first place

as do I, this is why your protest is worthless, you wanna do something put your energy in to something that matters

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You seem to want war so they can't make war on us.

they are making war on the US through support and control of terrorist proxies (which is highly ironic given the US did the same thing to Russia during the invasion of afghanistan)

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What a horrific betrayal of the founding fathers! Jefferson would be rolling in his grave, as too would Hamilton, even Wilson - that oh so depised internationalist would be reeling in his grave if he knew what had become of US foreign policy.

Very true I personally think that the US should go back to total politcal isolationism and take all our aid money with us, not to mention cutting all funds to the UN (2/3s of the budget) and making them go to stockholm or Geneva get that waste of a couple Billion off our soil and out of our pocketbooks

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duh there's nothing to protest against and even if we do go to fight iran why have an issue with it? That entire nation sings deaths chants about us on sundays and are ruled by religous extremists (for the most part) so why not go kick some ass?

I sincerely hope your comments are in jest.

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PPS the American economic empire is far more powerful, besides the United States pretty much runs the world already the recent wars are just enforcing the power

for an country 'not interested in empire' (Rumsfeld) that is a pretty accurate remark. It is the pretensions for which the US engages in war that is the issue.

Far from the 'supporting liberty' rhetoric we hear from over the pond so often lies a reality whereby the current batch of the American elite have decided the national interest lies in wars which are all about supporting democracy and therefore promoting capitalism by which the US can then expand its economic domination over the world.

What a horrific betrayal of the founding fathers! Jefferson would be rolling in his grave, as too would Hamilton, even Wilson - that oh so depised internationalist would be reeling in his grave if he knew what had become of US foreign policy.

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Yes, but it still at least IS a protest. There hasn't been much action at all. And if thousands of people were to sign it, the power of it would multiply.

after iraq i think the international community has learned from the mistakes it made. Bring back containment i say, and contain those gung-ho cowboys in Washington, Seriously though, any US led war in iraq will have no international support, with Blair going in a few months the special relationship is dead, the US knows only too well it cannot act alone, as much as it wishes that wasn't true.

signing an online petition is about as useful to stopping a war as putting your finger up the cats butt,