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Picture of Eidolon
Registered: March 03, 2007
Posts: 3
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Do I think Washington cares? I doubt it.

But, I do think that if students began to stop staying the pledge, it would at least provide a forum for the issue of a war with Iran. This is a way that anyone can show their general emnity towards the concept of American imperialism.

I also believe that the pledge is unnessecary in the first place.

I know there is no truly "rebelliious" nature in not saying the pledge, but it does generate some sort of attention. And--there needs to be SOME sort of protest by our (meaning the 10-20 crowd) generation on the possibility of continued American wars, as it is our generation that will fight and pay for these wars.

Why do you want a war, amp? And also, how do you know that we will, as you say, "kick ass"? Do you mean "kick ass" like we're NOT doing in Iraq right now? http://www.antiwar.com/utley/?articleid=10477
These are 12 good reasons why America will not have an easy time in Iran, and also cause more and more unrest. Right after 9/11, there were massive rallies in Terhan FOR the united states. Where have we gone wrong? By creating a military empire.
You seem to want war so they can't make war on us.
But taking action to create a war definetely does not help the cause. Attempting to avoid a war at all costs makes much more sense in the long run then building up arms preemptively, and risking starting the conflict in the first place that need not have happened.

And I do not support the use of nuclear weapons against anyone, and the idea that Iran is building weapons to instantly bomb Isreal is a war mongers fallacy. Iran knows very well that they would be instantly destroyed by either conventional or nuclear weapons if any of their missiles left a platform, and--

there is nearly no chance that Iran will strike the US. Iran's political leadership has not even expressed any sort of vague threat whatsoever to that end. They have a distaste for our culture, of course, but so does most of Europe. Should we consider any nation not fully dedicated to the American cause "enemies" or "dangerous"? The French would surely qualify if we did.
Picture of ampmaster
Registered: February 22, 2004
Posts: 13925
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There hasn't been much action at all


duh there's nothing to protest against and even if we do go to fight iran why have an issue with it? That entire nation sings deaths chants about us on sundays and are ruled by religous extremists (for the most part) so why not go kick some ass?


"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
Picture of Meagan87
Registered: May 07, 2003
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I agree with the sentiments of Amp. Good luck with your petition, you may want to consider other means of protesting military action in addition though. In my opinion, protesting by refusing to say the pledge of alleigance doesn't seem like something the big wigs in Washington are really going to care about. The most I could picture it doing would be causing a scene on a local level. (I think too, I would probably be disenrolled from the Coast Guard Auxiliary for that kind of refusal.)


"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead
Picture of Eidolon
Registered: March 03, 2007
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Yes, but it still at least IS a protest. There hasn't been much action at all. And if thousands of people were to sign it, the power of it would multiply.
Picture of ampmaster
Registered: February 22, 2004
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Dang I thought this was a petition for kicking major ass all over camel land, since it's not I really don't care

good luck with your fruitless idealism though!

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Those who sign and live in America agree that if America does take military action in Iran, that they will protest by abstaining from saying the Pledge of Allegeiance.


PS not much of a protest

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the greater threat of an American military Empire.


PPS the American economic empire is far more powerful, besides the United States pretty much runs the world already the recent wars are just enforcing the power


"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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